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PrintableAs for Trent Reznor...kudos, man!  It's about time somebody well established in the industry was brave enough to tell the damn truth!!! I knew from the start that I loved you with all my heart. | |
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stanleylieber said: NDRU said: he CAN be critical, obviously, but if he's going to criticize, he opens himself up to criticism of his own. I'm not even trying to put him down, he's a very good musician (better than me to confirm your point). But my point is that the wrong things that Prince does contribute to the right things. NIN is more middle ground, and I prefer the extremes of Prince, even the lame ones. As musician I try not to knock other musicians so much because I know how hard it is. I would expect Trent to be the same. If he listened to MPLSound closely, he'd hear the quality of the musicianship. There's no need for him to knock a talented musician (maybe to raise himself up?) for the benefit of his non-musician fans. Weezer continues to have hits. They're doing fine. Why bash them? 'Cause he wants to? I don't know, I guess I just don't understand the extreme distaste for negative criticism amongst Prince fans. (Unless they're talking about someone other than Prince, that is.) Reznor voiced an opinion. It's no more important than that. You may not be aware, but he's somewhat famous for letting his feelings rip. Just as Prince is somewhat famous for not acknowledging the presence of other human beings when he deigns them beneath his notice. I don't actually buy into the notion that one has to be a musician (talented or not) in order to criticize someone else's music. I brought up the stunning hypocrisy of dismissing Reznor's opinion by saying his music sucks simiply in order to point out the stunning hypocrisy of dismissing Reznor's opinion by saying his music sucks. If you think for a second, "Prince is more talented than Reznor so Reznor should shut up" is not really a coherent position. It invalidates all positive opinions we might hold as well, rendering all of our presence on this site invalid. End thread. End site. FAIL. I realize I'm yelling at a wall here. Reznor has every right to call out and criticize anyone he so chooses. As we all do. But why? And why are you so compelled to champion his right to do so? There is nothing constructive about one artist saying that another's art "sucks". Sure, Prince has made derogatory remarks about current pop music, but has he ever said "insert artist here"'s music sucks? It's tacky and childish. I find it hard to believe that had Prince said this on Tavis' show about Reznor's music, you would not have been as eager to stand up for P's right to do so. Am I upset or hurt about Reznor's comment? Absolutely not. I do think less of him though for saying another artist's work sucks. And that goes for his comment about Cuomo as well. He is exactly who we thought he was | |
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stanleylieber said: NDRU said: you make some valid points, certainly. But, again, my point is simply that if Trent wants to criticize Prince that's fine, but I (along with many others) actually prefer Prince, even now. So maybe Trent should shut up & take some notes from Prince--not because he has no right to criticize or because he has no valid points, but because his own music is not above criticism. But... By your own logic, this very post I'm replying to is only valid if your own music is superior to Reznor's. I give up.  Not really, because I'd never say Trent wasn't a great musician. I'm only comparing him to Prince--and he set himself up for that comparison by making the comments. I don't actually think we are really disagreeing that much, here. I see your point. And I see Trent's for that matter. My Legacy
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hey, we might get a decent diss song outta this!
reznor trying 2 provoke a bit of anger..inspire some kinda mad & angry jehovah witnessless response. i just think he's desperate 4 a name check & 15mins of fame  | |
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HatrinaHaterwitz said: As for Trent Reznor...kudos, man!
It's about time somebody well established in the industry was brave enough to tell the damn truth!!! 
What's so brave about saying Prince and Cuomo's music sucks? Good God.  He is exactly who we thought he was | |
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Accujack said: stanleylieber said: 'Cause he wants to? I don't know, I guess I just don't understand the extreme distaste for negative criticism amongst Prince fans. (Unless they're talking about someone other than Prince, that is.) Reznor voiced an opinion. It's no more important than that. You may not be aware, but he's somewhat famous for letting his feelings rip. Just as Prince is somewhat famous for not acknowledging the presence of other human beings when he deigns them beneath his notice. I don't actually buy into the notion that one has to be a musician (talented or not) in order to criticize someone else's music. I brought up the stunning hypocrisy of dismissing Reznor's opinion by saying his music sucks simiply in order to point out the stunning hypocrisy of dismissing Reznor's opinion by saying his music sucks. If you think for a second, "Prince is more talented than Reznor so Reznor should shut up" is not really a coherent position. It invalidates all positive opinions we might hold as well, rendering all of our presence on this site invalid. End thread. End site. FAIL. I realize I'm yelling at a wall here. Reznor has every right to call out and criticize anyone he so chooses. As we all do. But why? And why are you so compelled to champion his right to do so? There is nothing constructive about one artist saying that another's art "sucks". Sure, Prince has made derogatory remarks about current pop music, but has he ever said "insert artist here"'s music sucks? It's tacky and childish. I find it hard to believe that had Prince said this on Tavis' show about Reznor's music, you would not have been as eager to stand up for P's right to do so. Am I upset or hurt about Reznor's comment? Absolutely not. I do think less of him though for saying another artist's work sucks. And that goes for his comment about Cuomo as well. exactly, it's the same weak & dismissive critiques offered by so many non-musicians My Legacy
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jimmyrogertodd said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Just because you can dance to something doesn't make it dance music. I can dance to Condition of the Heart if I wanted to  Let's define Dance music them. Dance music/House Music = club music. you could probably dance to Chocolate box and Old School company but this is what I consider House/Dance: I can dance to DMSR but that aint dance or House music. maybe you mean something else by dance? 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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Accujack said: HatrinaHaterwitz said: As for Trent Reznor...kudos, man!
It's about time somebody well established in the industry was brave enough to tell the damn truth!!!
What's so brave about saying Prince and Cuomo's music sucks? Good God. Cuz Prince has the money to put a hit out 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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lottielooloo1968 said: hey, we might get a decent diss song outta this!
reznor trying 2 provoke a bit of anger..inspire some kinda mad & angry jehovah witnessless response. i just think he's desperate 4 a name check & 15mins of fame Funny but wrong...very, very wrong! 
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Accujack said:
What's so brave about saying Prince and Cuomo's music sucks? Good God. Cuz Prince has the money to put a hit out Again...wrong!! Funny, but just wrong!!
And it's not brave, it's blunt. Still, not having a problem about what he said. I'm firmly planted in denial | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: jimmyrogertodd said: Nope. Never heard it. I mean is it funky and can you dance to it???
A song has to be danceable to be genius? Just imagine Prince doing this shit
[Edited 5/6/09 15:18pm] Prince did, and called it "Let's Pretend We're Married". | |
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Accujack said: stanleylieber said: 'Cause he wants to? I don't know, I guess I just don't understand the extreme distaste for negative criticism amongst Prince fans. (Unless they're talking about someone other than Prince, that is.) Reznor voiced an opinion. It's no more important than that. You may not be aware, but he's somewhat famous for letting his feelings rip. Just as Prince is somewhat famous for not acknowledging the presence of other human beings when he deigns them beneath his notice. I don't actually buy into the notion that one has to be a musician (talented or not) in order to criticize someone else's music. I brought up the stunning hypocrisy of dismissing Reznor's opinion by saying his music sucks simiply in order to point out the stunning hypocrisy of dismissing Reznor's opinion by saying his music sucks. If you think for a second, "Prince is more talented than Reznor so Reznor should shut up" is not really a coherent position. It invalidates all positive opinions we might hold as well, rendering all of our presence on this site invalid. End thread. End site. FAIL. I realize I'm yelling at a wall here. Reznor has every right to call out and criticize anyone he so chooses. As we all do. But why? And why are you so compelled to champion his right to do so? There is nothing constructive about one artist saying that another's art "sucks". Sure, Prince has made derogatory remarks about current pop music, but has he ever said "insert artist here"'s music sucks? It's tacky and childish. I find it hard to believe that had Prince said this on Tavis' show about Reznor's music, you would not have been as eager to stand up for P's right to do so. Am I upset or hurt about Reznor's comment? Absolutely not. I do think less of him though for saying another artist's work sucks. And that goes for his comment about Cuomo as well. At the risk of repeating myself, I have never understood the expectation of formal decorum from pop culture celebrities. That goes for people's expectations of Prince as well (and as fans we know he has his quirks). I agree Reznor could have expressed his view with more grace, and I don't think I would have said it that way myself, but his comments were relevant to the discussion he was having and I find it difficult to argue with his sentiment. As a Prince fan, Reznor wants to be blown away by a new Prince record. He's observing that once Prince got freedom he seemed to slack off in the quality department. Agree or disagree, I'm not disappointed in him for saying so. There is a slight double standard when it comes to Prince because he frequently portrays himself as being a teacher, relating "the truth" to us down here on our level. There is a natural backlash to that kind of attitude that comes out when fans observe Prince's moments of hypocrisy. Reznor is (relatively speaking) immune to that because he doesn't come at you like he's better than you simply because he can play guitar (or whatever instrument). I would agree that people hold Prince to a higher standard in terms of his personal behavior and his public remarks. But consider that Prince put himself in that position by portraying himself as keeper of the truth. You know, I can't remember the last time Reznor spoke in riddles or demanded that fans only comment positively on his work unless they were Miles Davis or his father. There's probably something to that. it's time for a new direction / it's time for jazz to die | |
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Oooh, the TRUTH has been said, and it looks like all the "Prince-can-do-no-wrong-all-of-his-songs-are-the-best-fans" can't take it. Awww, isn't that cute! | |
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NDRU said: stanleylieber said: But... By your own logic, this very post I'm replying to is only valid if your own music is superior to Reznor's. I give up. Not really, because I'd never say Trent wasn't a great musician. I'm only comparing him to Prince--and he set himself up for that comparison by making the comments. I don't actually think we are really disagreeing that much, here. I see your point. And I see Trent's for that matter. We're cool.
I just thought the suggestions for Reznor to shut up (why?) because his music is not above criticism seemed oddly off-point. it's time for a new direction / it's time for jazz to die | |
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Accujack said: HatrinaHaterwitz said: As for Trent Reznor...kudos, man!
It's about time somebody well established in the industry was brave enough to tell the damn truth!!!
What's so brave about saying Prince and Cuomo's music sucks? Good God. Because it's the T R U T H!!! I've been saying it for a while now and even though I've loved Prince and his music for the greater part of 30 years I was constantly told that I'm just a jealous hater because I have no talent, no money, no fame and no fans. Well, here is what I've been saying coming from someone with lots of talent, money, fame and fans. Why would he say something so harsh about another artist...because it's the T R U T H...damn it and someone needed to say it! I knew from the start that I loved you with all my heart. | |
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RodeoSchro said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: A song has to be danceable to be genius? Just imagine Prince doing this shit
[Edited 5/6/09 15:18pm] Prince did, and called it "Let's Pretend We're Married". That's kind of a stretch.  it's time for a new direction / it's time for jazz to die | |
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kenlacam said: Oooh, the TRUTH has been said, and it looks like all the "Prince-can-do-no-wrong-all-of-his-songs-are-the-best-fans" can't take it. Awww, isn't that cute!
equally, the Prince-did-me-wrong-i-wish-this-were-the-80s-again-battered-fans are gonna cheer Trent on. Awww, that's cute too. | |
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RodeoSchro said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: A song has to be danceable to be genius? Just imagine Prince doing this shit
[Edited 5/6/09 15:18pm] Prince did, and called it "Let's Pretend We're Married". 27 years ago 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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I think this has more to do with last year's PFU debacle than with Prince's music.
Trent is a self-confessed Prince fan (circa 80s/early 90s anyway) and I think he really disagreed with Prince's recent online tactics . . . suing YouTube, Pirate Bay, closing down fansites, etc. Trent Reznor is the exact opposite. He embraces YouTube, BitTorrent, and even his own fansites, and is revolutionizing online music sales and distribution. Musically, they could not be further apart. |
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Trent, is a piece of shit! He wouldn't say that in Prince's face! Because Prince would bitch slap his ass!!! 
And who has heard the new outputs from NIN's???? They ALL SUCK! NO wonder there all FREE DOWNLOADS!!! | |
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Nothinbutjoy said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Cuz Prince has the money to put a hit out Again...wrong!! Funny, but just wrong!!
And it's not brave, it's blunt. Still, not having a problem about what he said. Shiiiiit!! It was brave because I'm pretty sure the Leave Prince Alone Brigade is planning massive NIN protests including but not limited to cd burnings as I type! I knew from the start that I loved you with all my heart. | |
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HatrinaHaterwitz said: Accujack said:
What's so brave about saying Prince and Cuomo's music sucks? Good God. Because it's the T R U T H!!! I've been saying it for a while now and even though I've loved Prince and his music for the greater part of 30 years I was constantly told that I'm just a jealous hater because I have no talent, no money, no fame and no fans. Well, here is what I've been saying coming from someone with lots of talent, money, fame and fans. Why would he say something so harsh about another artist...because it's the T R U T H...damn it and someone needed to say it! You have fans!  2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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I don't see the big deal. Trent Reznor has a right to his own OPINION.
I enjoy Prince's newer stuff so Trent's words mean nothing to me.  | |
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WisdomNLove said: crushingquiet said: Damn.. Trent Reznor has gotten very arrogant. Check out this quote from here: http://www.twentyfourbit....vers-cuomo
"I’m not Prince or Rivers Cuomo who brags about having hundreds of great songs,” Reznor said. “And to that I would say, Prince, if you have a hundred great songs or a thousand, how about picking a few and putting them on your record that you’ve put out because your last several have sucked. Same for you, Rivers. I say that constructively, you know.” awww Trent is envious because Prince doesnt have to consistently giveaway free music , be active on Twitter or conduct corny April fools joke for his fans to like him. The last albums havent sucked, no matter what quality of music is in anyones opinion, it will always sell point blank. let the games begin Holy shit! You have ABSOLUTELY no idea what you're talking about. Trent is LAUGHING at how mediocre Prince is. NIN have brilliant songs on every single album, Prince just sucks ass. My God! Are people in the world really this stupid? | |
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lotusflower said: Trent, is a piece of shit! He wouldn't say that in Prince's face! Because Prince would bitch slap his ass!!!
And who has heard the new outputs from NIN's???? They ALL SUCK! NO wonder there all FREE DOWNLOADS!!! There is definitely not a blue aura coming off your comments dude. it's time for a new direction / it's time for jazz to die | |
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GetAwayFromMe said: WisdomNLove said: awww Trent is envious because Prince doesnt have to consistently giveaway free music , be active on Twitter or conduct corny April fools joke for his fans to like him. The last albums havent sucked, no matter what quality of music is in anyones opinion, it will always sell point blank. let the games begin Holy shit! You have ABSOLUTELY no idea what you're talking about. Trent is LAUGHING at how mediocre Prince is. NIN have brilliant songs on every single album, Prince just sucks ass. My God! Are people in the world really this stupid? Now do you see why America is burning? 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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wonder505 said: I don't see the big deal. Trent Reznor has a right to his own OPINION.
I enjoy Prince's newer stuff so Trent's words mean nothing to me. Cool. it's time for a new direction / it's time for jazz to die | |
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Graycap23 said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Trent has his own fans who seem to be happier with his web activity than fams are of Prince's. .....I have all of Trent's recent material and honestly, I have only played it once. Very weak material IMHO.
Come the fuck on!!! That flat piece of shit Prince sold in a paper folder pales in comparison to anything NIN has done. | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: GetAwayFromMe said: Holy shit! You have ABSOLUTELY no idea what you're talking about. Trent is LAUGHING at how mediocre Prince is. NIN have brilliant songs on every single album, Prince just sucks ass. My God! Are people in the world really this stupid? Now do you see why America is burning? I don't think this is just an America thing.
A quick rundown of fandom as I've experienced it, ranked by equivalent grade level: - Prince, grade 7 - Star Trek, grade 10 - comic books, grade 8 - martial arts, grades 5-10, depending on the style - 4chan, grade 7 That's right, Prince geeks, we = 4chan. it's time for a new direction / it's time for jazz to die | |
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