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Reply #90 posted 05/06/09 3:31pm

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stanleylieber said:

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NIN is okay, but it's a bit cool, dark, poser music. Very decent music, but nothing that blows me away.


I don't really like most of the newer NIN stuff. The instrumental album is good.

I think Reznor has developed musical OCD just like Prince, Robert Smith and a few others who were big studio experimenters early in their careers. The production gets more and more technical and the music gets more and more sterile.

But Reznor is doing right by his fans. Prince is making lots of money and making a lot of people regret having had a hand in it.

Anyway, Reznor could be the worst musician in the history of music and it has no bearing on his point. I'm willing to bet Reznor is a more talented musician than anyone posting in this thread, but that doesn't stop many of us from thinking we're "worthy" of disagreeing with him. Why can't Reznor be critical of Prince?


he CAN be critical, obviously, but if he's going to criticize, he opens himself up to criticism of his own.

I'm not even trying to put him down, he's a very good musician (better than me to confirm your point). But my point is that the wrong things that Prince does contribute to the right things. NIN is more middle ground, and I prefer the extremes of Prince, even the lame ones.

As musician I try not to knock other musicians so much because I know how hard it is. I would expect Trent to be the same. If he listened to MPLSound closely, he'd hear the quality of the musicianship. There's no need for him to knock a talented musician (maybe to raise himself up?) for the benefit of his non-musician fans. Weezer continues to have hits. They're doing fine. Why bash them?
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Reply #91 posted 05/06/09 3:32pm

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TheEnglishGent said:

I reckon Trent just put down $77 on lotusflow3r.com and now he's pissed.


lol maybe!
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Reply #92 posted 05/06/09 3:32pm

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TheEnglishGent said:

I reckon Trent just put down $77 on lotusflow3r.com and now he's pissed.


Maybe it's no coincidence that Reznor is a Prince fan and Reznor has a great website.

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Maybe he was here all along.

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Trent: Did they charge your credit card three times too, the first month of the original NPGMC?

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It would drive anyone to excellence.
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Reply #93 posted 05/06/09 3:34pm

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It would drive anyone to excellence.


Hurry Prince, sign up for Lotus! lol
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Reply #94 posted 05/06/09 3:35pm

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NDRU said:

stanleylieber said:



good gravy


NIN is okay, but it's a bit cool, dark, poser music. Very decent music, but nothing that blows me away.


It's simple, droning, non-melodic, two chord mood music.
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Reply #95 posted 05/06/09 3:36pm

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jimmyrogertodd said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:


A song has to be danceable to be genius?




Just imagine Prince doing this shit clapping
[Edited 5/6/09 15:18pm]
From where I come from, yeah absolutely.
Ok I have listened to the song and it was interesting and had a tinge of funk in it but Prince's music on his new disc is far better than that song in my opinion. But it was cool so I kind of dug it. I have rarely listen to him before so I really don't know enough of his music to really have a objective opinion especially after hearing him diss Prince. If he walked by me on the street I would not know him so don't really know that much of his work. But he still thinks that he is better than Prince then I am sorry cause I don't get genius from that one song.
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Reply #96 posted 05/06/09 3:38pm

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

jimmyrogertodd said:

From where I come from, yeah absolutely.

OK, well that disqualifies about 98% of Prince music from being Genius then.
How do you figure,Supa???
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Reply #97 posted 05/06/09 3:41pm

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NDRU said:

stanleylieber said:



I don't really like most of the newer NIN stuff. The instrumental album is good.

I think Reznor has developed musical OCD just like Prince, Robert Smith and a few others who were big studio experimenters early in their careers. The production gets more and more technical and the music gets more and more sterile.

But Reznor is doing right by his fans. Prince is making lots of money and making a lot of people regret having had a hand in it.

Anyway, Reznor could be the worst musician in the history of music and it has no bearing on his point. I'm willing to bet Reznor is a more talented musician than anyone posting in this thread, but that doesn't stop many of us from thinking we're "worthy" of disagreeing with him. Why can't Reznor be critical of Prince?


he CAN be critical, obviously, but if he's going to criticize, he opens himself up to criticism of his own.

I'm not even trying to put him down, he's a very good musician (better than me to confirm your point). But my point is that the wrong things that Prince does contribute to the right things. NIN is more middle ground, and I prefer the extremes of Prince, even the lame ones.

As musician I try not to knock other musicians so much because I know how hard it is. I would expect Trent to be the same. If he listened to MPLSound closely, he'd hear the quality of the musicianship. There's no need for him to knock a talented musician (maybe to raise himself up?) for the benefit of his non-musician fans. Weezer continues to have hits. They're doing fine. Why bash them?


'Cause he wants to?

I don't know, I guess I just don't understand the extreme distaste for negative criticism amongst Prince fans. (Unless they're talking about someone other than Prince, that is.) Reznor voiced an opinion. It's no more important than that. You may not be aware, but he's somewhat famous for letting his feelings rip.

Just as Prince is somewhat famous for not acknowledging the presence of other human beings when he deigns them beneath his notice.

I don't actually buy into the notion that one has to be a musician (talented or not) in order to criticize someone else's music. I brought up the stunning hypocrisy of dismissing Reznor's opinion by saying his music sucks simiply in order to point out the stunning hypocrisy of dismissing Reznor's opinion by saying his music sucks. If you think for a second, "Prince is more talented than Reznor so Reznor should shut up" is not really a coherent position. It invalidates all positive opinions we might hold as well, rendering all of our presence on this site invalid. End thread. End site. FAIL.

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Reply #98 posted 05/06/09 3:41pm

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stanleylieber said:

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Are you Trent? I wasn't talking to you until you came at me with that statement that you made and as far as making music since you don't know me then it just doesn't matter cause who are you anyway??? Give Stan Lee back his birthname!!!


Sorry dude, you haven't made anything as slamming as Parade.
Once again You don't know me so I am just going to walk away from you with a smile on my face cause you are just an anonymous person who I don't know and you have no idea who I am or do you care but have a nice day.
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Reply #99 posted 05/06/09 3:44pm

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jimmyrogertodd said:

stanleylieber said:



Sorry dude, you haven't made anything as slamming as Parade.
Once again You don't know me so I am just going to walk away from you with a smile on my face cause you are just an anonymous person who I don't know and you have no idea who I am or do you care but have a nice day.


Nope, sorry. You never made anything as cool as Exodus, so I am bound by law to disregard your opinion.

(Does this logic work any better when I repeat it over and over again?)
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Reply #100 posted 05/06/09 3:46pm

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He just slammed my favorite artist and the frontman to one of my all-time favorite bands. (Although he is right about Rivers) LotusFlow3r is better than any NiN album lol. (although The Downward Spiral is great)
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Reply #101 posted 05/06/09 3:49pm

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He just slammed my favorite artist and the frontman to one of my all-time favorite bands. (Although he is right about Rivers) LotusFlow3r is better than any NiN album lol. (although The Downward Spiral is great)


LotusFlow3r is NOT better than downward spiral or pretty hate machine. lol

the rest of the NIN catalog, i don't care to argue. shrug
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Reply #102 posted 05/06/09 3:49pm

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stanleylieber said:

NDRU said:



he CAN be critical, obviously, but if he's going to criticize, he opens himself up to criticism of his own.

I'm not even trying to put him down, he's a very good musician (better than me to confirm your point). But my point is that the wrong things that Prince does contribute to the right things. NIN is more middle ground, and I prefer the extremes of Prince, even the lame ones.

As musician I try not to knock other musicians so much because I know how hard it is. I would expect Trent to be the same. If he listened to MPLSound closely, he'd hear the quality of the musicianship. There's no need for him to knock a talented musician (maybe to raise himself up?) for the benefit of his non-musician fans. Weezer continues to have hits. They're doing fine. Why bash them?


'Cause he wants to?

I don't know, I guess I just don't understand the extreme distaste for negative criticism amongst Prince fans. (Unless they're talking about someone other than Prince, that is.) Reznor voiced an opinion. It's no more important than that. You may not be aware, but he's somewhat famous for letting his feelings rip.

Just as Prince is somewhat famous for not acknowledging the presence of other human beings when he deigns them beneath his notice.

I don't actually buy into the notion that one has to be a musician (talented or not) in order to criticize someone else's music. I brought up the stunning hypocrisy of dismissing Reznor's opinion by saying his music sucks simiply in order to point out the stunning hypocrisy of dismissing Reznor's opinion by saying his music sucks. If you think for a second, "Prince is more talented than Reznor so Reznor should shut up" is not really a coherent position. It invalidates all positive opinions we might hold as well, rendering all of our presence on this site invalid. End thread. End site. FAIL.

I realize I'm yelling at a wall here.


you make some valid points, certainly.

But, again, my point is simply that if Trent wants to criticize Prince that's fine, but I (along with many others) actually prefer Prince, even now. So maybe Trent should shut up & take some notes from Prince--not because he has no right to criticize or because he has no valid points, but because his own music is not above criticism.
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Reply #103 posted 05/06/09 3:50pm

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stanleylieber said:

jimmyrogertodd said:

Once again You don't know me so I am just going to walk away from you with a smile on my face cause you are just an anonymous person who I don't know and you have no idea who I am or do you care but have a nice day.


Nope, sorry. You never made anything as cool as Exodus, so I am bound by law to disregard your opinion.

(Does this logic work any better when I repeat it over and over again?)

No, Stanley now go back to your corner. Sit. Stay.
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Reply #104 posted 05/06/09 3:51pm

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NDRU said:

stanleylieber said:



'Cause he wants to?

I don't know, I guess I just don't understand the extreme distaste for negative criticism amongst Prince fans. (Unless they're talking about someone other than Prince, that is.) Reznor voiced an opinion. It's no more important than that. You may not be aware, but he's somewhat famous for letting his feelings rip.

Just as Prince is somewhat famous for not acknowledging the presence of other human beings when he deigns them beneath his notice.

I don't actually buy into the notion that one has to be a musician (talented or not) in order to criticize someone else's music. I brought up the stunning hypocrisy of dismissing Reznor's opinion by saying his music sucks simiply in order to point out the stunning hypocrisy of dismissing Reznor's opinion by saying his music sucks. If you think for a second, "Prince is more talented than Reznor so Reznor should shut up" is not really a coherent position. It invalidates all positive opinions we might hold as well, rendering all of our presence on this site invalid. End thread. End site. FAIL.

I realize I'm yelling at a wall here.


you make some valid points, certainly.

But, again, my point is simply that if Trent wants to criticize Prince that's fine, but I (along with many others) actually prefer Prince, even now. So maybe Trent should shut up & take some notes from Prince--not because he has no right to criticize or because he has no valid points, but because his own music is not above criticism.


But...

By your own logic, this very post I'm replying to is only valid if your own music is superior to Reznor's.

I give up. hug
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Reply #105 posted 05/06/09 3:52pm

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jimmyrogertodd said:

stanleylieber said:



Nope, sorry. You never made anything as cool as Exodus, so I am bound by law to disregard your opinion.

(Does this logic work any better when I repeat it over and over again?)

No, Stanley now go back to your corner. Sit. Stay.


Come on over. We'll have a BBQ. hug
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Reply #106 posted 05/06/09 3:53pm

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jimmyrogertodd said:

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OK, well that disqualifies about 98% of Prince music from being Genius then.
How do you figure,Supa???

you said where you come from music has to be dance to be genius lol Prince doesn't make "dance" music per se.
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Reply #107 posted 05/06/09 3:55pm

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stanleylieber said:

jimmyrogertodd said:


No, Stanley now go back to your corner. Sit. Stay.


Come on over. We'll have a BBQ. hug
You are making it hard to ignore you!!! But I am going to take your hug and say is it pork on the grill or beef???
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Reply #108 posted 05/06/09 3:56pm

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

jimmyrogertodd said:

How do you figure,Supa???

you said where you come from music has to be dance to be genius lol Prince doesn't make "dance" music per se.
Name one song on MPLSound that you cannot dance to???
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Reply #109 posted 05/06/09 3:56pm

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Anxiety said:

Gohi said:

He just slammed my favorite artist and the frontman to one of my all-time favorite bands. (Although he is right about Rivers) LotusFlow3r is better than any NiN album lol. (although The Downward Spiral is great)


LotusFlow3r is NOT better than downward spiral or pretty hate machine. lol


Not in any alternate universe even lol
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Reply #110 posted 05/06/09 3:56pm

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jimmyrogertodd said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:


you said where you come from music has to be dance to be genius lol Prince doesn't make "dance" music per se.
Name one song on MPLSound that you cannot dance to???

Just because you can dance to something doesn't make it dance music. I can dance to Condition of the Heart if I wanted to lol
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Reply #111 posted 05/06/09 3:58pm

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as a Prince fan for over 25 years it gives me no pleasure to admit that Prince will never ever create anything as funky or rock driven as NIN's "The Warning"
Fuck the funk - it's time to ditch the worn-out Vegas horns fills, pick up the geee-tar and finally ROCK THE MUTHA-FUCKER!! He hinted at this on Chaos, now it's time to step up and fully DELIVER!!
woot!
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Reply #112 posted 05/06/09 3:59pm

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Gohi said:

He just slammed my favorite artist and the frontman to one of my all-time favorite bands. (Although he is right about Rivers)


you know there are some Rivers fans blowing up about this over at his forum
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Reply #113 posted 05/06/09 4:00pm

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jimmyrogertodd said:

stanleylieber said:



Come on over. We'll have a BBQ. hug
You are making it hard to ignore you!!! But I am going to take your hug and say is it pork on the grill or beef???


Hibachi vegetables!
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Reply #114 posted 05/06/09 4:03pm

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

jimmyrogertodd said:

Name one song on MPLSound that you cannot dance to???

Just because you can dance to something doesn't make it dance music. I can dance to Condition of the Heart if I wanted to lol
Ok then who makes dance music then cause I think MPLSound is nothing but music that is meant to be danced to. But I guess when you have your mind set to not like Prince music or to just enjoy any of his recent output then there is no turning you around. But I don't think that NIN can come anywhere in the vicinity of funky comparable to Prince and you can quote me on that but that is just from the track that I just heard.
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Reply #115 posted 05/06/09 4:04pm

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

jimmyrogertodd said:

Name one song on MPLSound that you cannot dance to???

Just because you can dance to something doesn't make it dance music. I can dance to Condition of the Heart if I wanted to lol


Let's go boogy! dancing jig
Say it's just a dream...
U open up ur eyes and come 2 realize
u simply imagined this
So u lean over and give her a kiss
Here on earth, here on earth,
with u it's not so bad
Here on earth, here on earth
eye don't feel so sad
Stay right here
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Reply #116 posted 05/06/09 4:05pm

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stanleylieber said:

jimmyrogertodd said:

You are making it hard to ignore you!!! But I am going to take your hug and say is it pork on the grill or beef???


Hibachi vegetables!
Ok I love vegatables!!! I love garden salads.
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Reply #117 posted 05/06/09 4:07pm

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jimmyrogertodd said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:


you said where you come from music has to be dance to be genius lol Prince doesn't make "dance" music per se.
Name one song on MPLSound that you cannot dance to???


The shorter list for me is name one song on MPLSound that I DO dance to? Dance4Me! boogie
I knew from the start that I loved you with all my heart.
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Reply #118 posted 05/06/09 4:07pm

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jimmyrogertodd said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:


Just because you can dance to something doesn't make it dance music. I can dance to Condition of the Heart if I wanted to lol
Ok then who makes dance music then cause I think MPLSound is nothing but music that is meant to be danced to. But I guess when you have your mind set to not like Prince music or to just enjoy any of his recent output then there is no turning you around. But I don't think that NIN can come anywhere in the vicinity of funky comparable to Prince and you can quote me on that but that is just from the track that I just heard.


'Closer' may not be the best point of comparison. It's probably Reznor's funkiest track -- and it, like many Prince songs, is a staple at strip clubs. In this case Reznor made something that a lot of people like to dance to.
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Reply #119 posted 05/06/09 4:12pm

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Have you guys heard the remix of the NIN song 'Down In It' that borrows the drum track from 'Release It'?
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