Anxiety said:

I am old.

When I say "classic rock" I mean 60's, 70's and some 80's -- Zeppelin, Stones, Jimi, Queen, Beatles, Bowie, Ozzie.

Hell, if Trent is "classic rock" then so is glam metal band Nelson.

GetAwayFromMe said:

If you come up telling people they would post "racist" stuff, then it should be common sense imo that there is some substance behind this accusation, and not just your personal subjective feeling. Other than that, you're entitled to your opinion, but when it comes to terms like "racist", then it really could help to read twice what has been posted before hammering all your meaningful feelings right into your keyboard.

Again, BigDaddy did not limit himself on purpose, he simply lived (according to what he posted) in a community where this kind of music doesn't get played too often. And sorry, NIN is not that influential that not knowing this music is like not knowing the Beatles.

GetAwayFromMe said:

Well a lot of the criticism for Prince always stikes me as some sort of underlying racism to it as well and "I dont like that kind of talk" either. You aint slick either getawayfromme.


yeah muthafuckas I said it edit
[Edited 5/8/09 8:31am]

GetAwayFromMe said:

Thank you to those who actually read what I said and tried to explain it so that even a child could understand.

I never said I limited myself... I said I DID NOT follow the general perception of music which was around me. But in case you didn't get what I was saying..which obviously you didn't... I had to seek out other ways of listening to music I liked because all that was offered in my community was R&B, Gospel, Rap and the like which in the 80's and 90's were genres dominated by black musicians. By the time NIN came out... I had no real knowledge of them because it wasn't the music played in my house or in any ones house I knew. And what I did hear.. I just didn't like. So why in the hell would I try to find out more information like who the lead singer was... of a group I did not like...?

The point is that I did not have to like a group like Jodeci, for instance... but by virtue of living in my environment.. I couldn't help but to know the names of every member of that group. If I had lived in an environment which favored NIN, even though I did not like them... I may have still knew who Trent Reznor was because NIN was representative of the type of music played. But I didn't. You may not like the term 'white boy' music... but every black person (and a few Hispanic too) will tell you that is what people in their community refereed to rock music as...whether they themselves did or not. I NEVER did because it would have been insulting to the music I listened to.

For the most part I was the 'wanna be'. Have you ever been called that...? A 'wanna be' is an insult from one black person to another because they are trying to imply that you want to be 'white'. I was called that because I did not like listening to R&B 24/7 and thought that David Bowie, Queen, the Doors, Duran Duran, Frankie goes To Hollywood, Faith no More and other like groups were cool. My exposure to the 70's groups came from my own father... he picked up on groups like the Doors while serving in Vietnam.

The others I got into while I was in college... my FIRST experience going to a school which was not 100% black. And yes.. it was my 'white' friends who listened to hard rock and metal which got me into much of it. And the 'wanna be' label followed me. It was in fact, through them that I first heard NIN (we all gotta hear music somewhere first) and it was then..as I already mentioned.. that I went..,'meh'... don't like em..and never cared to know more about them. And adding to that, because NIN, as I have mentioned repeatedly, was not representative of the type of music which would get played in my environment...period... I never heard the name Trent Reznor even by chance until the internet..and Bart!

Some of you simply need to brush up on your reading comprehension before you go throwing the 'racist' label around.

And if anyone says that the internet didn't broaden thier musical base... they are a lie. Via the net... we all have heard music from musicians and/or have learned things we never would have known other wise.

Man it fricking sucks to get accused of racism when you're not trying to be racist.

xlr8r said:

purplecam said:

Ahhh, yes! The pointless derailing of yet another otherwise very good thread because the real topic couldn't be dismissed or disregarded.

Move on over.
[Edited 5/8/09 9:35am]

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

You are FINALLY going to sit down and be quiet for once? Thank god!

xlr8r said:

Yep! The floor's all yours.

Wow! This thread is still going? I thought the news about Prince playing at the Montreaux Jazz Festival would be the hot topic today! Anyway, my opinion is that Trent can say whatever he likes about Prince - it's a free country after all. Prince is probably reading his Bible right now, in the studio making a new album, or rehersing for a tour (hopefully) so it really doesn't matter what Trent says cause it's not going to rile anyone up but us Prince fans. 600 plus replies says it all

Neither one of them are going to cover my medical bills if I end up stressing myself out debating over a statement made by one musician to another, and about who makes better music presently. As for myself, I'll listen to whatever music sounds good to me. Calling each other racists, retards, douchebags and cunts? Is it really that serious? At least to me it isn't...

Yeah some people don't know who Trent Reznor is (apparently they do now if they have been reading the countless posts here), just like other people who are not Prince fans don't know the names of most of his band members. Why don't they know? Because either;

1. They don't care to know
2. They weren't exposed to their music or
3. Not good with names

To be honest, I thought Trent Reznor was the guy who sang Wishing Well in the 80's that had an attitude about Prince stealling his style! LOL I'm a person who isn't good with names

In any case, he said what he said....maybe it was a publicity stunt since he's coming out with a new album soon, or maybe his personality is actually of a "prick" like he states in his interview - who really knows?

Maybe Princeworld news is just boring right now so ranting about what any celebs are saying or doing is entertaining me...

GetAwayFromMe said:

you reak of jealousy just by that weak ass comment within itself. plus I wasn't talkin to you.

dartluv5 said:

Terence Trent Reznor

dartluv5 said:

This whole thread is entertaining. That's why I'm eating and having a . You want some? The couch is pretty big and this thread's gonna go on even longer.
[Edited 5/8/09 9:50am]

dartluv5 said:

purplecam said:

Oh yes, I'd love some popcorn and Pepsi...I'm bringing some
and as well! It's lunch time!

dartluv5 said:

Oh sucky ducky now QUACK QUACK!!! You talking my language with that and ! I got plenty of for that!!!

EmancipationLover said:

Ask a Jew and I bet they have a different view! Prince's fatal flaw in that song is pitting slaves against Holocaust Jews. It was a bad move no matter which way you look at it.

BigDaddyHQ said:

Well I grew up on the same music you listed in post #569. I am only recently getting my white music wings But I did know who trent was because of the highschool I went to.
[Edited 5/8/09 10:16am]

BigDaddyHQ said:

I have her on my ipod! I have Trent too

True story:

Once when I was about fourteen I was hanging out in my front yard, blasting Around The World In A Day out of my ghetto blaster. The songs played through and when 'Raspberry Beret' came on, my neighbor across the street looked up and yelled, "It's about time you stopped playing that bullshit and put on some good music for a change!"

BigDaddyHQ said:

cave

To be Fair to Big Daddy HQ, I grew up around Gangs and there was absolutely ZERO connection to white bands. It really can't be racist to say that. We listened to Mowtown oldies, R&B, rap and all that kind of stuff. With the advent of videos in the early 80s I was exposed to more than just that kind of music but as a matter of the experience I had in the neighborhood, we weren't at all listening to white bands (Cure, NIN, Cult, Love & Rockets, etc...)

It wasn't until highschool when we integrated with the kids from the rich part of town that I was really exposed to all that. I didn't get into alternative and rock music til I was 24. the same exact experience happens with white kids in the opposite. Many in both camps stretch their musical wings as they grow into adulthood. I really think we need to stop this part of the discussion.

stanleylieber said:

Or drop a hint in your music that sparks this thought and discussion naturally. Example, in Electric chair this lyric:

You Whispered something
It took my mind out
Like a G (in the background "G Flat") Major with the E in the Bass

I don't play instruments, write music or sing or know anything technical about music. I am guessing that when Prince mentions G Major, G Flat and the chord E, he is playing/singing in those exact chords. It might seem almost meaningless to some people but I have always always thought about how fucking genius it is that he equates the way something whispered in his ear makes takes him to the same place as his own creation of music.

that may not be an interview discussion about music but it's still provoking

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

My best friend is Jewish, by the way, so you might believe me when I say I am quite sensitive when it comes to antisemitism. He is not pitting slaves against Jews. Please, read the lyrics again!

EmancipationLover said:

WHAT is he saying then? Would you rather.... That explicitly implies a choice. If that's not what you think is being said, then please explain. Or don't cuz that's a whole different thread

Better yet, let's continue that discussion here:

http://prince.org/msg/7/306667

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[Edited 5/8/09 10:55am]

Some of his best friends are Jews.

stanleylieber said:

other thread stanley!

stanleylieber said:

betcha they loved NIN

PEJ said:

AND PRINCE! Obviously