Vendetta1 said:

No, but I think you never claimed that you want to be constructive with that remark.

Furthermore, criticism amongst colleagues can be a sensitive issue. I personally try not to do it, at least not in public (I'm not in the music business).

Vendetta1 said:

The two stickies for Lotusflow3r/MPLSound together make a total of ca. 1800 posts. Taking into account multiple posts and the fact that many people reviewed both albums, that's probably several hundreds of people who bothered to give an opinion about the latest albums.

On the other hand, these records sold how many units in the U.S.? 250,000 or even slightly more? On top of that, some people probably downloaded it from lotusflow3r.com only or even from somewhere else, so these records must have been listened to by ca. 300,000 to 400,000 people.

Face it, the org and its opinions are a small footnote in the overall reception of Prince's work.

Sdldawn said:

I'm into Chicago house and I know who Trent is

Sdldawn said:

Oh excuse me ohhh mighty one who knowest of every artist to ever make music who ever existed. Unless you were born with your ass plugged into some universal jack... everyone had to learn about every one else they know at some point in there lives. I learned who Trent Reznor was by coming here... and I wasn't impressed. Fucking sue me for not giving a damned about NIN.

I have never cared to listen to NIN. I'm sorry... his/thier music doesn't appeal to me nor most people from my culture. Its just a fact. Where I came from... R&B, soul, jazz, funk, gospel, house and hip hop dominated our radio... our clubs.,..everything. My community was more into R Kelly and Public Announcement, Mary J Blidge, Anita Baker, Luther Vandross, Yolanda Adams, Be Be and CeCe Winans, Johnny Gill, NWA, AMG, Too Short, Fast Eddie, Farley Jackmaster Funk, etc etc .. and could not care less about 'rock' music. NIN was just another group of 'white' boys making noise. And those who listened to that type of music were ridiculed. I know that perpetuates a stereotype.. but it is none the less a view which most of my community share with music genres not dominated by 'black' musicians.

So sure... you had a few people who stepped out of the norm and didn't listen to the music we were supposed to listen too based on where we grew up... I was one of them. Fans of Prince tend to be more diversified in their musical taste regardless of race or culture... but in no way does that mean that our taste doesn't differ. To me Trent Reznor is no more relevant than MC Hammer. I remember NIN being popular at some point... but the music was not to my liking... and I never heard the name 'Trent Reznor' until I came here.

So unless you wish to lie and say you're familiar with the music of this small sample of very popular artist from 'my' community... I just named... you need to open your eyes before you get hit by rocks in your own cave.

There is nothing more frustrating than so called music elitist spouting their bullshit rhetoric.

EmancipationLover said:

True but couldn't that also mean that of all the people that have the new music and have listened to it, that a far greater number than the folks on the Org also happen to think they suck but just aren't vocal about it?

BigDaddyHQ said:

Way to go bringing your racist views into the mix. Not until just now with your hot air did the subject of Trent Reznor being a "white boy" come into the thread. I'm white and I'm perfectly familiar with ALL kinds of music, especially the small sample you've provided. WOW! What an ignorant fucking thing to say!

Know what I say to that? Go back to Housequake, oh yeah, I forgot. Your idol had that place shut down.

BigDaddyHQ said:

Way to go bringing your racist views into the mix. Not until just now with your hot air did the subject of Trent Reznor being a "white boy" come into the thread. I'm white and I'm perfectly familiar with ALL kinds of music, especially the small sample you've provided. WOW! What an ignorant fucking thing to say!

Know what I say to that? Go back to Housequake, oh yeah, I forgot. Your idol had that place shut down.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Acknowledged, but sorry, I get tired of people misunderstanding the lyrics of "Family Name" the 100th time.

I remember threads about spirituality in Prince's music and his spiritual evolution that had almost scientific quality. Now that is surely not to be expected in an internet forum on a regular basis, but they are simply completely absent now.

So unless you wish to lie and say you're familiar with the music of this small sample of very popular artist from 'my' community... I just named... you need to open your eyes before you get hit by rocks in your own cave.

There is nothing more frustrating than so called music elitist spouting their bullshit rhetoric.

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

1) This is complete speculation and not supported by anything.

2) If this was true, how do you explain the rather consistent no. of records sold of the last few Prince albums (PE being a minor exception)? Disappointed people would normally stop buying his stuff at some stage, I think. That's speculation too, but at least there is some data supporting it.

Ahh...well... BigdaddyHQ,

You still seem to react rather spastic when people in here say they don't like contemporay R&B.
[Edited 5/7/09 19:10pm]

I fucking hate to be indirectly labeled as a racist for not liking contemporary R&B.

And, yes, BigdaddyHQ you are someone, trying to move people in that direction.

I love music with soul, weither it is performed by black, white, yellow or green artists..
The word 'soul' did get claimed by black artists, it doesnt mean the current day black artists show any real soul in their music: Beyonce, Rihanna, Lil Wayne??? Give me a fucking break please
I dont

Soul is a matter of purity and honesty, and I dont really see any of the current ...so called R and B artist expressing themselves on that level.

So, why should I NOT be critical about that type of music?

Riverpoet31 said:

Dude!!!!

What are you rambling on about... this is not about you. Nor did anyone say they did not like R&B. Nor did I or anyone else lable you as racist for not liking R&B. In fact I never said anything about anyone not liking R&B. I said 'I' did not like NIN. I said people in my community did not listen to NIN.

Read this statement slowly...

My reference to R&B and other genres dominated by black artist was only used as an example to suggest music I was exposed to while growing up vs music others would have been. Before the internet... radio stations, schools, back yard parties whatever... which were playing NIN were not playing gospel artist like Yolanda Adams. But where I grew up... We got Yolanda... not NIN. So I never knew who Trent Reznor was before coming here on the internet. So what is the fucking problem with that.?

Stop creating a debate where there was none.

BigDaddyHQ said:

Where I come from people listen to Randy Travis. I was called "faggot" for listening to Prince and for listening to NIN.

Incredibly, even without the Internet, I found all kinds of diverse music.
[Edited 5/7/09 21:26pm]

GetAwayFromMe said:

Dude why are U even here?

Trent who?

Trent who?

Rogue588 said:

When Planet Earth came out, it debuted at #3 on Billboard 200. It sold about 96,000 copies in the first week. By October '07, it totaled roughly 298,000 copies in the US. Not so bad, considering the promotion was minimal, except for the Verizon V-Cast ad in the US.

Just sayin'.

BigDaddyHQ said:

Where I come from people listen to Randy Travis. I was called "faggot" for listening to Prince and for listening to NIN.

Incredibly, even without the Internet, I found all kinds of diverse music.
[Edited 5/7/09 21:26pm]

but seriously, can we get back to talking about Rivers Cuomo?

i find it interesting that Trent mentioned both artists

both used to be kind of loners and introverted and now Rivers is married and lives in Japan and Prince found Jehovah Graham

ever since - their music has not been that great

perhaps Trent did not realize these facts

Rivers was recently quoted as making fun of Britney, Lil' Wayne, Katie Perry, Timbaland, etc.

would be cool to hear Prince make fun of someone but I guess that is against Jehovah
[Edited 5/7/09 23:35pm]

would be cool to hear Prince make fun of someone but I guess that is against Jehovah

Believe it or not, there are people who ask, "Prince who?" too.