pplrain said:

The same psychological problem that fams have who accept slaps in the face as acceptable

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Prince can conduct his busines the way he seems fit, I don't find his business decisions to be a slap in my face at all. I am here to enjoy his music and if I didn't I'd find something else to enjoy. I would most definitely not go to a fansite and bash the guy because I am having a pissy day.

pplrain said:

but you do come here and try to psychoanalyze everyone.

Riverpoet31 said:

Prince and Trent [NIN} summarized perfectly

Anxiety said:

Ummm... NO, I can't be bothered, but I will keep my sig.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Because Prince knows that the people who would post there are batshit crazy?

NDRU said:

ooh we ooh I look just like Buddy HOlly
and you're Mary Tyler Moore...

(with the Happy Days video)

jone70 said:

"say it ain't so oooh wo ooh wo!"

Anxiety said:

That's nice and all, but I have noticed that this website becomes more and more focused on itself rather than Prince's music. This thread, for instance, has 500+ replies, and ca. 400 of them somehow discuss the love-hate relationship some people here have with Prince. In contrast, the discussion on his latest albums are in the range of 800-900 replies each, and those stickies are up there for 6 weeks or so now!

The endlessly ongoing "fams vs. haters" bullshit is just annoying to me and one of the reasons why I spend less and less time here. That's just my personal opinion, and in contrast to Mr. Reznor, I'm at least able to voice it without calling out specific people.

EmancipationLover said:

well, for one thing, this site is not an official site, but an unofficial, independent site dedicated to the online fan COMMUNITY...so if people are spending a lot of time in these threads talking about themselves and their relationship with prince and his music, then that's kind exactly of what this site is for.

i think the "fams vs. haters" pissing matches are boring and stupid too, but they're never going to go away. for every person who is "over it", another new fan/fam will replace them to keep the war going strong. it's the circle of life.com

pplrain said:

do whatcha like, you're existentially free in the universe.

Anxiety said:

Anx, I understand all that. I never wanted the thought police to come out and re-design this website according to my personal wishes. It's like an organism that naturally consists of the individual contributions, and if it's not my cup of tea anymore, so be it, the world will keep on turning. But it is my sincere opinion that the overall level of discussion in this forum (PM&M) has significantly gone downhill. The "experts" (Boris, langebleu) are rarely here anymore, and even the fun people ran away. Bloody hell, the most entertaining person nowadays is Bart!

I freakin' love Trent Reznor.

He's not saying a damn thing that most of us haven't already said: put the music out Prince and we'll buy it. And honestly, how many of us have said the last few disks suck?

And Trent is a fan.

WisdomNLove said:

Not only did Mr. Reznor give out free music and whole fucking concerts, his stuff still sells. Us fans like him, period. Free music or not.

EmancipationLover said:

i think it fluxuates. i think when prince gives us a lot to talk about, then the diehard, encyclopdediac, superduperfans come out of the woodwork because there's new stuff to talk about and deconstruct to the very last bone. for example, during the musicology tour, this site was hoppin' because with each show a wave of fans would be hitting the chat room after they got home from the show, and people would be posting their experiences like crazy.

it's a little more difficult to expect that level of excitement these days, with the way prince operates, both in terms of how he releases music and in terms of how he goes about scheduling live performances in recent years.

so the people who really get off on having meaty, substantial discussions about prince's work, finding they have nothing to talk about, will either flock to other forums or leave the .org altogether, leaving the wackadoos who either obsess 24/7 about how much they hate prince or how much they want to have his babies. lucky for all of us, those types can go on and on and on FOREVER.

EmancipationLover said:

It aint 500+ posts but there is serious discussion going on, even from the "haters"

http://prince.org/msg/7/306667

Anxiety said:

who you callin wackadoo?! ya damn wackadoo...

NDRU said:

wackadoodledooooo!

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Acknowledged, but sorry, I get tired of people misunderstanding the lyrics of "Family Name" the 100th time.

I remember threads about spirituality in Prince's music and his spiritual evolution that had almost scientific quality. Now that is surely not to be expected in an internet forum on a regular basis, but they are simply completely absent now.

Nikademus said:

EmancipationLover said:

What do you constitute as misunderstading?



You think that has nothing to do with the fact that Prince isn't bringing anything of any substance to the table when it comes to that?

Giovanni777 said:

I mean really who the hell is Trent Reznor to say the Prince's albums have sucked? How many "great" songs has he penned in his lackluster career? He's right, he certainly is NOT Prince.

Vendetta1 said:

The two stickies for Lotusflow3r/MPLSound together make a total of ca. 1800 posts. Taking into account multiple posts and the fact that many people reviewed both albums, that's probably several hundreds of people who bothered to give an opinion about the latest albums.

On the other hand, these records sold how many units in the U.S.? 250,000 or even slightly more? On top of that, some people probably downloaded it from lotusflow3r.com only or even from somewhere else, so these records must have been listened to by ca. 300,000 to 400,000 people.

Face it, the org and its opinions are a small footnote in the overall reception of Prince's work.

Accujack said:

There are fans here who say Prince sucks everyday. Reznor is a fan. Is he a worse fan because he's famous?

Would people feel better if Trent said WHY he feels the new music sucks?

I tthink Animal Kingdom sucks. Am I classless dick, too?

Accujack said:

I would think it's Prince's opinion and get tha fuck over it.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:[quote]

EmancipationLover said:

1) "Family Name" is NOT antisemitic (please read the lyrics carefully).

2) No, because the threads I referred to were about his 80s/90s work to a major extent.

Vendetta1 said:

No, but I think you never claimed that you want to be constructive with that remark.

Furthermore, criticism amongst colleagues can be a sensitive issue. I personally try not to do it, at least not in public (I'm not in the music business).

BorisFishpaw said:

ItsOnlyMountains said:

Sdldawn said:

Oh excuse me ohhh mighty one who knowest of every artist to ever make music who ever existed. Unless you were born with your ass plugged into some universal jack... everyone had to learn about every one else they know at some point in there lives. I learned who Trent Reznor was by coming here... and I wasn't impressed. Fucking sue me for not giving a damned about NIN.

I have never cared to listen to NIN. I'm sorry... his/thier music doesn't appeal to me nor most people from my culture. Its just a fact. Where I came from... R&B, soul, jazz, funk, gospel, house and hip hop dominated our radio... our clubs.,..everything. My community was more into R Kelly and Public Announcement, Mary J Blidge, Anita Baker, Luther Vandross, Yolanda Adams, Be Be and CeCe Winans, Johnny Gill, NWA, AMG, Too Short, Fast Eddie, Farley Jackmaster Funk, etc etc .. and could not care less about 'rock' music. NIN was just another group of 'white' boys making noise. And those who listened to that type of music were ridiculed. I know that perpetuates a stereotype.. but it is none the less a view which most of my community share with music genres not dominated by 'black' musicians.

So sure... you had a few people who stepped out of the norm and didn't listen to the music we were supposed to listen too based on where we grew up... I was one of them. Fans of Prince tend to be more diversified in their musical taste regardless of race or culture... but in no way does that mean that our taste doesn't differ. To me Trent Reznor is no more relevant than MC Hammer. I remember NIN being popular at some point... but the music was not to my liking... and I never heard the name 'Trent Reznor' until I came here.

So unless you wish to lie and say you're familiar with the music of this small sample of very popular artist from 'my' community... I just named... you need to open your eyes before you get hit by rocks in your own cave.

There is nothing more frustrating than so called music elitist spouting their bullshit rhetoric.