Sdldawn said:

In what way is that a put down?

SPOOKYGAS said:

Sdldawn said:

Oh here comes the funny pics...hilarious...next.

That's not cool, Mr. Reznor!

SPOOKYGAS said:

lotusflower said:

Not for nothing, because this thread has been woefully derailed by the LPAB (despite efforts by Stan, Hatrina and Supa), but if there was a smackdown between the two, my $$$'s on Trent.

lotusflower said:

I heard all of his "outputs". I'd have to disagree with your opinion. And "there" not all FREE DOWNLOADS!!! Though, i'd love to see how well some of Prince's recent output would sell if he borrowed a page from Trent and released one for free on the internets before putting an actual, physical "outputs" in stores. The two "outputs" that Trent released on the 'net before selling 'em in stores still charted as high as 13 & 14. IN SPITE of being a FREE DOWNLOADS!!! Imagine that.

TheEnglishGent said:

Trent is pretty buff these days. I wouldn't want to slap box with him.

(Actually, Prince could probably take me down as well. )

Shit, as frail as Prince is lookin these days, i'm thinkin a strong gust of wind would knock him over...

Nikademus said:

Prince had a no.1 album in 2006. Prince fans can afford not to care about chart positions. When was Trent Reznor´s last no.1 album ???

TrentReznor said:

Trent is a GOD

rwn said:

See the chart:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w...o_releases

The answer to your question is 2005. Prince did not have an album in 2005 and NIN did not have an album in 2006. NIN had a #2 album in 2007 and Prince had a #2 album in 2009.

Here's a conundrum:

Many of Prince's albums chart higher than NIN but sell less copies.

I don't know the answer to this off the top of my head, but which artist sold more records in the '00s?

Does it matter?

Does whether or not it matters depend on what the answer is?

rwn said:

In the US? 2005's With Teeth. Your point being...?

Trent also had a no.2 album in 2007. Where did Planet Earth chart?

Though, i'm still not getting the point of all of this...

Dear oh dear, the fams just love to get all bent out of shape don't they?
Even this thread title is somewhat inflammatory.

So, Trent just happens to mention Prince's output in a negative way, which
accounts for what, about 10 seconds, during an hour long interview in which
he talks about all kinds of music related stuff. And this is him "slamming"
Prince? Come on, there's been fans on this very site who've said much much
worse. Besides, this was just an online interview with a fan, not some MTV
broadcast or article in Rolling Stone.

Regardless of whether you think Trent was right or wrong about Prince's
recent output (and it was hardly a considered opinion, just an off the cuff
remark), he's entitled to his opinion... same as everyone else.

Trent's a fan of Prince, so his comments were made from a similar perspective
to ours. Plus, he has a point about the unreleased material. While Prince doesn't
go on about it all the time, he certainly has on occasion boasted about how
many unreleased songs he has, and even how great some of them are.
I'm sure that Trent's comment was a direct reaction to Prince recent
assertion that the track "The Divine" was "too good to release". So what
Trent was really saying was "Why hoard all the 'best' stuff in the vault,
when your released output isn't that hot, in my opinion? If it's so good, just
release it!".

Personally, I love both artists, and wish Prince would take a leaf out of
Trent's book when it comes to the internet. The original NPG Music Club
was moving in the right direction. However, Prince's subsequent sites
never fulfilled that early potential and he seems to have lost sight of
what's really important. He needs to concentrate on 'substance', not
'surface', and in that respect, Trent's way ahead.

stanleylieber said:

Apparently yeah.


When Prince's sales aren't that hot and/or he doesn't make TV appearances or whatever, it's "The mainstream means nothing! Who cares about Leno? The charts are overrated, popular music these days is crap anyway!"

He releases something that manages to chart, makes a few appearance on Leno, Ellen, or wherever, and it all changes.

Prince and Rivers are kinda musical geniuses. Trent is a good musician. Maybe that is why he said what he said. He be jealous?

NIN has some great stuff but Rivers has twice that amount and Prince has five times that amount. Both Prince and Rivers are pretty low-profile on the net but Trent has embraced it - perhaps because he needs new fans. Prince and Rivers don't.

Prince and Rivers focus on real instruments by real musicians. Trent is more about how things sound and special effects/noise, etc.

Did anyone catch Weezer's last tour where they invited contest winners to play instruments along with the first 3 songs of each concert? Pretty cool indeed. Check it out

stanleylieber said:

Maybe Trent Reznor should focus on some different creative music, with different lyrics instead of focusing so much on hiding usb's in bathroom stalls. Just some creative criticism! And really i'm tried of hearing millionaire's telling us how dark terrible everything is in their life.... again just some creative criticism...


but other then that i'm a fan. keep up the good work.
[Edited 5/7/09 2:44am]

Trent who ?

wonder505 said:

Are you illiterate? How many frikking times do I need to repeat that I DO NOT WISH THIS WERE THE 1980s. I LOVED what Prince did in 1994/95, for instance.

Wanna know who's stuck in the 1980s? Lemme give you a hint: there's this "artist" who plays virtually only music he recorded 20+ years ago in concert. He's also just released yet another album where he pathetically uses Linn drum samples in hopes of pleasing his fans.

To my knowledge, Prince does not spend a great deal of time or energy promoting or hyping his unreleased material. Yes, he has thousands of songs, but I don't think even Prince has said they are all great.

In some respects, I wish Prince would do a retrospective. As we all know there truly ARE some great, classic songs that remain unreleased. Classic songs that would pale much of Trent's output.

Having stated that, this is just Trent's opinion. In many respects he sounds like a slightly disgruntled fan. Whatever, he is definitely listening to Prince's new material. Clearly, he has an idea about what he'd like to hear.

Personally, I haven't been all that impressed with Trent Reznors latest material, though I admire his production values and the user-friendly design of his business.

Though Trent and NIN in its entirety would be nothing without Genesis P-Orridge and Throbbing Gristle, but that is another subject ...

BorisFishpaw said:

Yeah, I'm with this. Particularly this:


'I'm sure that Trent's comment was a direct reaction to Prince recent
assertion that the track "The Divine" was "too good to release". So what
Trent was really saying was "Why hoard all the 'best' stuff in the vault,
when your released output isn't that hot, in my opinion? If it's so good, just
release it!".'

Accujack said:

1. Prince wouldn't have a leg to stand on, since his own output ain't exactly the bees knees.

2. Stevie's last few albums have sucked, and I kinda hope somebody points that out to him. BTW I do recall an interview from aeons ago where W&L were talkign how disappointed they were with Stevie's latest at that time, because what sounded like vibrant songs in concert were DOA when he recorded them.

Thing is, you can't expect people to make better albums when nobody dares criticizing them. The whole Prince problem is that he lives in this bubble where nobody dares telling him that asking for a camel on Saturday night is ridiculous and a waste of everybody's time and money. "No" doesn't exist in Paisley Park, and you can hear that all over his records.

Paris9748430 said:

So that's why he's recording covers (and releasing them as singles)? So that's why his latest albums contain old music, recorded years ago? Elixer contains a re-hashed Tamar track. MPLSound contains a re-hash of U're Gonna C Me? How many tracks are on those three albums?

Accujack said:

Oh please, it's full of uninformed bullcrap.

Anxiety said:

Bullcrap. NIN was posting live videos back in the 1990s. NIN has different pics on the website each day. NIN has occasional Q&As. NIN have provided multi-tracks/samples online years ago. Etcetera.

Oh, and NIN never complained if/when people archived those things and put them on other sites. There are to this day websites and blogs that copy every picture update that happens on NIN.com, that offer archives from pics and videos that were on NIN.com years ago.

Recently one fan came into possession of a CD with several NIN rehearsals. These were spread all over the internet for free, initially even via remix.nin.com and NOT A PEEP was to be heard from Trent.

Oh, and NIN.com has been the home for NIN since... forever. How many sites has Prince had as official sites? How many of those URLs are still functional? How many are still in his possession?

Prince has NEVER had a thought-out internet presence, no matter how hard some of you want to pretend. NEVER. It's always been short-term/ad hoc.

Paris9748430 said:

Yeah, it's not like Prince once upon a time bitched about Beck when that guy dared to criticize Prince. Back then fams like you were also claiming Prince didn't care. And then he did care enough to post a bitching message on L4oa, and then you lot of course apologized for being wrong about Prince not caring. Oh, no wait, you then changed course and followed the party line.

Don't forget Trent did call himself a prick after he said those things. To his credit....Weezer's last record and Prince's Planet Earth were not that good. I bet he is a fan too. This entire thread is ridiculous. And you know it is sad if the most popular thread right now has to do with something Trent Reznor said. I mean - he makes music for people that hate themselves. At least that is how he got famous. Why is this big news? Nothing going on at lotusflow4r? let me check.....yep nothin'.

Yeah, Trent's been a fan for ages so it's no different to the ranting on the .org.

I'll say one thing though: "3121", "Planet Earth" and "Lotusflow3r" are better records than "With Teeth", "Year Zero" and - what the fuck ever was that last one called - ... "The Slip".

Gotta love it, Prince slams Beck, W&L, homosexuality, the internet, Warner Bros. etc. and is obviously 'right' or 'misquoted'...

Trent voices pretty much what 99% of the people on here were thinking, and he's the anti-christ...

For the record, Year Zero is still in rotation in my car, last time I put on a recent Prince release... I'll get back to you on that!