for those of you who do not know me trust i am NOT a "new to prince" fan in the least. i am seriously posing this question to see what people think...



for whatever the reasons may have been (we all know a few im sure) do you think if prince made his peace and compromised with all members of the revolution, THEY would come back to working with P? knowing that the creative union would at least generate ONE if not more than 1 timeless record?





i ask this because the longer i am a fan, i realize every complaint i have about a prince record usually equal up to the lack of something wendy and lisa brought to the table. I didnt "get it" earlier in my fandom but it becomes more and more obvious every year. NOT to suggest P isnt a contender on his own, but seriously- we all know whats missing before we even ask the question...

its the same thing that was missing from the first two albums

*(dirty mind is a shooting star in the prince canon. and i say that with respect for what he achieved TRULY on his own)

i mean we all heard what a monster "Dream Factory" was gonna be...


so again i ask...

prince rings.

"hey gang. lets just do it again. i'll play nice this time ( ) "

you think they would do it?

(keep in mind even if wounds from the 80's were still fresh- a TRUE collaborative revolution album would probably be the most lucrative choice for all parties - just from a business standpoint)



ok.go

there may have been a time I wopuld have agreed wu=ith your sentiment. But no, I dont think so.

Let me explain: there are several factors that influence Prince's music- only he knows the true extent of those. He's older, political/ religious are different, technology is different. Mindsets of all mentioned are different.

As ppl get older, fans included, IMHO we all look back at those special-to-us days and see them as 'the golden age', in this caseof Prince's output.

I'd be very surpirised if Wendy, Lisas, Prince etc. regrouped only to face the inevitable backlash from some that,'they are desparate...not as good as.....'

We all know what we as fans can be like. IMO Prince can't satisfy such a diverse fan base of 30yrs no matter what he tries...just look at the present reviews to see that.

The irony is that AT THE TIME many revolution albums were by no meand hailed as classics for several yrs after. Some still aren't by some....

80spfantwp said:

but regardless of how we as fans would respond.... if he promised to help heal all wounds... do you think they'd say yes?

(im sure i know your answer, but you never answered my question)

No, not after all this time. I'm sure everybody has changed in many ways and don't have the same passions and drive they had back then. Priorities shift as time moves on. It would be nice though to see them all together at least once, in concert, wow.

Prince Wendy and Lisa did come back... and they made the Planet Earth album (or atleast songs of it)


They made "the one u wanna c" and well sometimes it's just better to leave things in the past.


http://www.southparkstudi...ips/155030



lmao. okay it's not that bad... but dang that's a good show.

What you really want was a fourth gig in LA
With basically Four Generations of Prince bands rather then the Three that played
Wendy and Lisa are doing quiet well on their own but even they reached a peak with Eroica that they haven't reached since .
As for the rest of The Revolution they only Did as they were told.
But why stop there Lets have Levi and Miko along with Sheila and Cat, They were some shows.
What has happened, has happened. If they were to get together again it would be so hard for either side to give up their independence to the other.
There can only be one stag in that herd.

I thought it was a little sad that he namechecks his drummers in 'Ol Skool Company, and leaves out Bobby (his longest serving?).

Going on the results from Planet Earth - I don't think it'd be that special.

planet earth wasn't the full revolution...and im tempted to believe most recent collabs with W&L have been under Prince's iron fist and NOT a true three-way project

I thought I had answered the question...would they regroup: only they know. Would it yield the supposed masterpiece album some think it would? No, i doubt it coz, IMHO, 'the golden age' ppl refer to might not have been that at all.

ATWIAD, and Parade were never labelled 'great' at the time of their release, nor was SOTT- much of the material that was worked on during Revolution collaborations did becomethis release, right?

I guess what I'm saying is why would they regroup when the liklihoodis they are unlikelyto live up to expectations.....

I remember reading an interview with lisa i think. Maybe wendy. One of them anyway. and she said that she never saw prince anymore, and that he wasn't really able to speak to them because he was a JW. and she wasn't able to speak to him (for the same reason). and that they were part of different worlds now.

I am not really sure what was meant by that, but I think for that reason they would never colloborate again.

jethrouk said:

That doesn't make sense, since they have been talking and working together in various degrees since Musicology(2005)

I even have a picture of Lisa leaving a restaurant with Prince from SOTT era

Prince still communicated with Brown Mark and gave him songs for his album(s)
and it was hoped he stayed on for the SOTT - like Dr Fink (Levi was 2nd last minute addition from Sheila's band)
of Course Dr Fink stayed on until Graffiti Bridge

Wendy performing on The Tavis Smiley Show with Prince on Reflections 2005
Wendy Lisa & Sheila performing with Prince at the Brit Award Show 2006
Wendy & Lisa contributing vocals and instruments on Planet Earth
Wendy (Lisa couldn't make it) performing at the Target Arena 7.7.07 show in Minneapolis with Prince
Wendy performing at 1st Avenue 7.7.07 in Minneapolis with Prince
uhhhhh where were U?

They still communicate.

From what I understand, Prince communicates with Revolution members and people we think he 'moved on' from more than we think.

We don't even know what extent W&L participated in the 3 disc project. No credits at all given.
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SirPsycho said:

I think they would, Wendy & Lisa in a recent interview about the Dream Factory, have stated they would like to work with him more

Dr Fink says on his site, that he is ready

And in larger more abstract ways with Wendy Lisa Dr Fink
Bobby Z & Brown Mark
(I've communicated with Brown Mark) and they are all open to the idea
of working 2gether with Prince again. Even if it isn't in a 'full time band' way

Prince has even mended relations with Susan Moonsie and the Time members
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In a word.....NO.

I think Wendy & Lisa are grown enough to handle shit. They are no longer together but manage to play together and be open to the fact that they have romantically moved on. Prince is and always will be the problem. Shame because since all are still recording, a modern take could be the most promising thing ever in all of their careers.

jfrost said:

lol Yeah I think many of us were looking for a 4th gig

When it comes 2 band and the Revolution in particular, I did a little digging into how each person came to the band. And when I understood that each band member, believed in Prince (his vision) and believed the place they were in was their place (everyone isn't a front man, like Prince told Jesse, when he put Morris as lead)

I strongly believe that those 5 members were meant 4 Prince, the only band he has ever had a truly experimental live/studio recording experience with where they would jam pieces for hours at a time, (Brown Mark said one time they were in the studio playing a song that stretched to over an hour, he got hungery walked out of the space got a sandwich at it came back and just fell right back in with the music) he said this was a usual happening. I don't think Prince has had that kind of with any of the following bands. I'm not dealing with the SOTT/Lovesexy band because in my opinion they were the Revolution too. All of them were in the Prince camp or Revolution prior to 86 except for Cat.

Sheila E was always a frontmen, Her relationship with Prince as a musician is different than those he is performing with now. And Sheila is on the stage with Prince at most of his special appearances.

I don't think Levi would come back because of how he and Prince split
I would actually hope Mico went to work with the Family, since he played guitar on the album.

Cat has said in interviews and to me thru her myspace that she is waiting for the right time to reconnect with Prince.

P2daP said:

ahhh...I like that song!

SirPsycho said:

Relationships and connections mean a lot, And I think even in personal life I get with brothers cousins and friends (from the neighborhood, high school, church, boyscouts etc etc) in most case the connect clicks. I had a really good friend when I was like 10-11, we were really close and his family moved away. I saw him again like in 2005 and we clicked just like if we were turning 112. And we are tite to this very day.

Dez and the rest of the Revolution were right there from the beginning, before the glam and the name. That helps to form something special on a deep human level, no matter what

I understand what you mean by 'something is missing'

Let's not forget that while Prince was with the revolution, he was also young and still finding his way along the path. He was learning & growing as a person and a musician, and as an artist.

Of course it was more exciting, but I don't think that's all because of Wendy & Lisa.

Seriously, I know that many things have happened between Prince & the Revolution members over the years-that is truly sad. But just once I think we all would like to see them possibly tour again. Afterall, regardless of how they may feel about it that era/PR really made them famous and yes it even catipulted(spelling) Prince into superstardom

no

Dream Factory as a track is way overrated, so is Visions (Lisa's piano solo). So not sure how CLASSIC that as an album would have been.

I think it would be an exciting and challenging collaboration. I feel that Wendy and Lisa have matured greatly in their songwriting and musicianship, and could once again inspire Prince to move in different musical directions.

Do they need him? Nope. Does he need them? Nope.

But...I think it will happen. Prince has obviously been paying attention to what fans want. Imagine how fresh his hits would sound with The Revolution playing with him...

datdude said:

NightGod said:

this is exactly what i was getting at

I think it doesn't so much prove that Prince lacks something without them, as it proves that he can really do good music if he collaborates ... I mean TRULY collaborates with folks.

I'd love to see him and some up and coming song writers bounce ideas off each other without him drowning them out in the mix.
Could you imagine Prince actually assisting Trent Reznor and not criticizing or trying to make it "his"?

NDRU said:

Agreed. But look who he surrounded himself with when he started "finding" himself. Kirky J He had a killer lineup during ONA/TRC but that changed too. His best bands never seem to find their voice before he's moving onto the next.

Wendy and Lisa brought a vibrancy and a freshness he was open to. They didn't write all the amazing music that came from 1999 to Parade but they sure as hell influenced Prince in a lot of ways. I doubt we'll ever see records as artistic as ATWIAD and Parade, Parade admittedly having the more W&L influence.

Hmmm...if Wendy & Lisa were to produce his next record...hmmm

yesterday on twitter lisa said that wendy wants to produce prince's next album.

they like 'dance 4 me.'

obviously though, prince will never let anyone produce him.

stanleylieber said:

...i so wish they were are part of "MPLSflow3r"

He's recorded some great stuff with them and great stuff without them.

Personally I think it would be a mistake to try and revisit the past like that. It would be impossible to recapture. Just listen to Mplsound. No doubt it's got some great tracks on it. But does anyone think is really has THAT Mpl vibe and feel. I certainly don't.