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Printablebenjamino71 said: ernestsewell said: Wow, racist and ignorant and illiterate all in the same breath. Good job.  funny reply!
I do agree though that Madonna is a culture phenomenon of some kind - a slut I do not consider her - and I do not know her recent output - but the cd's mentioned earlier MUSIC and Confessions are real and cool and actually emotional in many ways - and FRESH soundin'!! You might want to check out "Paradise (Not For Me)" from MUSIC - it is a wonderful and emotional track - IMO. But this aint no Madonna-fanside, and the comparison to Prince was the idea, and I would still hold that some of Madonnas 00's output is very intelligent and "in your face"-fresh, and defenitely IMO in ways Prince relaeases rarely are. Maybe Madonna being on a label and Prince not gives Prince the freedom to go his way - and Madonna is forced to keep up with the latest trends and producers to still be accepted on her label - what do I know - probably it's more fun to be Prince and do things your own way!  Madonna is forced into multimillion successful releases. God forbid! 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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ernestsewell said: I don't think he's that honest either, as Imago stated. Prince has been following trends for at least 15 years, instead of creating them. He knows damn well what's out there, and what's going on. He's a big high minded about it all.
You're right. Prince is ALWAYS lying about something. It's really hard to tell what's truth and what isn't. I understand that celebs sometimes keep the public off gaurd, but DYAM. | |
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Purple123 said: You're right. Prince is ALWAYS lying about something. It's really hard to tell what's truth and what isn't. I understand that celebs sometimes keep the public off gaurd, but DYAM.
The thing is that Prince BELIEVES what he's saying about chem trails, and the like. So does that make it a lie? Not to him, but when you fact check, it IS a lie. | |
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Empress said: ernestsewell said: Wow, racist and ignorant and illiterate all in the same breath. Good job. It seems to run rampant around here and most of the internet as well. I'm not a fan of Madonna, but the statement from Alamine is just pure ignorance.  follow me on twitter - Lovenharmony1 aka @DAPfan2c | |
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ernestsewell said: Purple123 said: You're right. Prince is ALWAYS lying about something. It's really hard to tell what's truth and what isn't. I understand that celebs sometimes keep the public off gaurd, but DYAM.
The thing is that Prince BELIEVES what he's saying about chem trails, and the like. So does that make it a lie? Not to him, but when you fact check, it IS a lie. The Chem Trail theory is a pretty well-known theory. It's not something Prince made up in his head. I'm not saying it's true. It's just an opinion. \ JERKIN' EVERYTHING IN SIGHT!!!!! | |
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Most musicians mostly just love their own music, and I don't think that is a bad thing. Can anyone deny that Prince is mostly only interested in Prince music? That is how it should be if you are a real musician. | |
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Paris9748430 said: The Chem Trail theory is a pretty well-known theory.
It's not something Prince made up in his head. I'm not saying it's true. It's just an opinion. \ Well I never said he made it up. I said he believes what he says, including the chemical trails. | |
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I really have issues when people down Prince's R&B output as if it's some aberration or lower class of music not worthy to be made. Prince has been making so called "run-of-the-mill" R&B from day one. Its just that when its an R&B track some of 'you' like... you wish to label it something else. Personally, I don't think there is anything run-of-the-mill about any of his music. We could easily pegion hole many of his rock oriented tracks as well... "oh here comes another run-of-the-mill guitar solo."
I think a lot of this has to do with how the term 'R&B' is perceived by people. Especially over her in Europe the word 'R&B' often is used as a synonime for plastic producer-pop with some soul-elements, but lacking real soul in the first place. I personally think Princes ballads since 1995-1996 have unfortunately often been in that vein (starting with The most beautifull girl in the world, then following a lot of those kind of songs on Emancipation, a song like The greatest romance ever told, Incense and Candles, Mr. Goodnight etc.) Mostly bad examples of 'modern' R&B IMO. But in the US the term R&B has been used a lot longer. Incorporating other styles of music, often less soul-less. When it comes to my personal view: Prince delivers far better in his 'soul ballads' when he harks bark to 'traditional' R&B, or, what is considered Rhythem and Blues / traditional soul. Examples: How come U don't call me anymore, Adore, Dark, On the Couch. So when you say that people too easily dismiss his recent 'R&B' songs, you seem to miss the point. Most of them dismiss his stalled, often soul-less attempts at contemporary R&B. | |
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A typical bullshit-remark by him, just as his ill-repeated 'promise': this is the last time I play my hits...
When he went 'psychedelic' with ATWIAD, did write a song for the Bangles and signed Three 'o clock to his label, it was obvious he was aware of the Paisley underground movement. When he released Parade, he admitted listening to the Cocteau Twins, a band that releases music that is as colourfull and breesy as the Parade album. In 1987 he said one of his favourite new bands were The Sundays: an female english indie-band hardly played on mainstream radio. On Graffiti Bridge, Diamonds and Pearls and the Symbol album he used elements of New Jack Swing and hip-hop that were popular around that time. With Emancipation he started to release (too many) slick, plastic sounding R&B ballads and mid-tempo songs (The greatest romance, Big white mansion, etc). A sound that was topping the charts. Black Sweat is classic minimalistic Prince funk AS FILTERED through the likes of The Neptunes and Timbaland: he was copying the guys who did copy him in the first place. Most recently, the same goes with a song like 'Chocolate Box': it is Prince copying the likes of The Black Eyed Peas, artists who once started used elements of his music to create their own plastic pap with it. A more important question maybe is: why is Prince trying to copy the artists, who turned his music into plastic pap? A simple answer maybe: he wants to 'score' in the hitparades as well / again. [Edited 5/5/09 13:17pm] [Edited 5/5/09 13:17pm] [Edited 5/5/09 13:18pm] | |
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ernestsewell said: I like Rave overall, but as with any album, there's always a couple of songs that can be deleted and I'd never miss them. I recently stated that I did an edit of "Everyday Is A Winding Road" and took out Larry's annoying chant. The song is SO much better without it. (I have a good mind to redit out a lot of Tony M on D&P and
 just because.) I love Planet Earth. It's the most cohesive album in years. (I'd nix "Lion of Judah" off that one.)My thoughts exactly 
Cohesive  had 2 run away... pride was 2 strong. It started raining, baby, the birds were gone | |
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ernestsewell said: squirrelgrease said: The analog vocoder, is an entirely different sound. Roger Troutman, Midnight Starr and Kraftwerk all used it. I've been at concerts where Prince used it. Peter Frampton used a similar device through his guitar. But it wasn't something that became "the thing" for every person to use with pitch problems. It was a novelty.
Cher used a digitized vocal enhancement that we now call autotune, no matter what the Garage Band plug-in of the moment is billed as. It's massively overused piece of binary booolshit, and I aint havin' it. 
Well listen, I'm not nit picking, because you and I have great conversations on here, but let me say this. The vocoder is an effect, true. It's that horrible tube on the mouth, fed through a guitar or a keyboard. (I remember Frampton using it now too, I knew I was forgetting someone). Roger, just before he died, even had it in his mouth in one (or both?) of the "California Love" videos from Dr. Dre and Tupac. I think Snoop used it in "Sensual Seduction", the video, as well. The Cher effect was kind of the same thing, although it was more digitally inclined rather than Cher with a tube in her mouth. The autotune literally tunes the voice into being pitch perfect. It's a rather unnoticeable little device, which looks like an old electronic piano tuner. The key is set, and the vocals are fed through it. Someone who is flat, or sharp, while singing, can be corrected after the recording is laid down. That's why certain folks sound great on record, but are just horrible in person (singing live). An autotune isn't that Cher effect. And believe me, as a songwriter who wishes he could sing, I WISH there was an autotune in GarageBand. I'd be using it 24/7 on my voice to lay down demos! There are other little effects I use to kind of disguise a wrong note I sing. But there isn't an auto tune in Garageband. It's a very specific piece of equipment (I'm sure there are digital versions of it in ProTools or something.) The Cher effect IS an effect in GB that I have used (although obviously not to the same chart topping result. LOL) I think we're on the same page here. I've fallen into using the term autotune generically like "Kleenex" to describe that goofy Cher Effect that Kanye, Lil Wayne et al overuse. I'm sure there are lots of names for the effect, depending on the software manufacturer. If prince.org were to be made idiot proof, someone would just invent a better idiot. | |
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squirrelgrease said: I think we're on the same page here. I've fallen into using the term autotune generically like "Kleenex" to describe that goofy Cher Effect that Kanye, Lil Wayne et al overuse. I'm sure there are lots of names for the effect, depending on the software manufacturer. We are, but autotune literally changes the voice to sound naturally in tune. The Cher/Kid Rock/Zapp/etc effect is about having an effect, just the way a guitar was a Wah petal. | |
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He's a damn lie and the truth ain't in him. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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benjamino71 said: ernestsewell said: Wow, racist and ignorant and illiterate all in the same breath. Good job. funny reply!
I do agree though that Madonna is a culture phenomenon of some kind - a slut I do not consider her - and I do not know her recent output - but the cd's mentioned earlier MUSIC and Confessions are real and cool and actually emotional in many ways - and FRESH soundin'!! You might want to check out "Paradise (Not For Me)" from MUSIC - it is a wonderful and emotional track - IMO. But this aint no Madonna-fanside, and the comparison to Prince was the idea, and I would still hold that some of Madonnas 00's output is very intelligent and "in your face"-fresh, and defenitely IMO in ways Prince relaeases rarely are. Maybe Madonna being on a label and Prince not gives Prince the freedom to go his way - and Madonna is forced to keep up with the latest trends and producers to still be accepted on her label - what do I know - probably it's more fun to be Prince and do things your own way! How was she not an industry slut? She slept around with the NBA, and whatever latest trend that was ava. I dont think she can think on her own. | |
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He listens to TPAIN. | |
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blackbob said: i think the above statement he made on travis is one of the main reasons why he is a bit out of touch with modern music...he SHOULD be listening to new music ....yes most of it is crap but it isnt all crap....he could draw some inspiration from some good modern music instead of living in the past all the time....
I don't think he's "out of touch" at all ...that.."rarely".. does not equal..'never' ..and that, most probably, he doesn't listen to it very often because so much "new music" is not worth taking the time out of your day. [Edited 5/11/09 19:29pm] If you seek only love’s pleasure... you shall laugh..but not all of your laughter, and cry.. but not all of your tears… | |
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vainandy said: He's a damn lie and the truth ain't in him.
Hollerrrrr... | |
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Cher and Cher alike, that's what I say [Edited 5/6/09 7:31am] | |
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