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PrintableI'd rather hear a P/Anita Baker collab or those so-called "BORING" Madhouse LP's than 98% of this "BULLSH*T" on the radio called "Smooth Jazz"
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That would be nice, but I'm listening to the interview as we speak and He's not saying that he's gonna work with Anita Baker.  [Edited 5/1/09 1:20am] | |
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Soul Classic. I can't wait!!! | |
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What I have learned about Jazz from Orgers
1 Most Jazz is not Jazz - The principle feature of Jazz is improvisation - Most studio Jazz albums do not have improvisation, this is more in live Jazz. 2 Beatboxing and unscripted Rap is Jazz - As above their principle feature is improvisation. This would apply to any music that is improvised. 3 Prince does not do Jazz because he does not improvise - Have you ever been to a Prince concert??? 4 All Jazz is "Pretty" sounding and sophisiticated - Have you heard Atonal Jazz or Dixieland as well as many other Jazz sub genres??? 5 People who can play R&B and Funk can't play Jazz - Fusion, Soul Jazz, Jazz Funk, Free Jazz, Acid Jazz etc are all sub genres of Jazz that have developed through the merging of Jazz, R&B and/or Funk. 6 All Jazz by Prince is bad - I have introduced real Jazz fans to Prince by playing N.E.W.S. to them without them knowing who it was and they have liked it so much they have bought this album and others. 7 Musical Genres are absolute and cannot be crossed - Contemporary Jazz Contemporary Jazz is essentially a catch-all term for the various permutations of popular, mainstream jazz of the 1980s and '90s. While those years were certainly not devoid of complex, cerebral jazz recordings, music referred to as contemporary jazz does not usually share those sensibilities, nor is the term generally used to describe music centered around hard bop or the avant-garde. Instead, instrumental contemporary jazz is usually informed by some combination of a) fusion — often slickly produced, with an emphasis on rock and funk rhythms; b) pop-jazz, with its almost exclusive concentration on memorable melodies; c) smooth jazz, with its primary goal of creating pleasant, mellow textures; and d) crossover jazz and contemporary funk, with their blend of polished production and R&B influences. Not all contemporary jazz artists completely discard improvisation and challenging experimentation, but by and large, most instrumentalists emphasize shiny production, melody, and accessibility. In the realm of vocal jazz, artists may or may not possess an improvisational flair, but in most cases, their recordings attempt to evoke an aura of stylish sophistication, sometimes drawing upon pop and R&B in addition to jazz. Funk Named after a slang word for "stink," funk was indeed the rawest, most primal form of R&B, surpassing even Southern soul in terms of earthiness. It was also the least structured, often stretching out into extended jams, and the most Africanized, built on dynamic, highly syncopated polyrhythms. As such, it originally appealed only to hardcore R&B audiences. The groove was the most important musical element of funk — all the instruments of the ensemble played off of one another to create it, and worked it over and over. Deep electric bass lines often served as main riffs, with an interlocking web of short, scratchy guitar chords and blaring horns over the top. Unlike nearly every form of R&B that had come before it, funk didn't confine itself to the 45-rpm single format and the classic verse/chorus song structure. Funk bands were just as likely to repeat a catchy chant or hook out of the blue, and to give different song sections equal weight, so as not to disrupt the groove by building to a chorus-type climax. In essence, funk allowed for more freedom and improvisation |
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IanRG said: What I have learned about Jazz from Orgers
1 Most Jazz is not Jazz - The principle feature of Jazz is improvisation - Most studio Jazz albums do not have improvisation, this is more in live Jazz. 2 Beatboxing and unscripted Rap is Jazz - As above their principle feature is improvisation. This would apply to any music that is improvised. 3 Prince does not do Jazz because he does not improvise - Have you ever been to a Prince concert??? 4 All Jazz is "Pretty" sounding and sophisiticated - Have you heard Atonal Jazz or Dixieland as well as many other Jazz sub genres??? 5 People who can play R&B and Funk can't play Jazz - Fusion, Soul Jazz, Jazz Funk, Free Jazz, Acid Jazz etc are all sub genres of Jazz that have developed through the merging of Jazz, R&B and/or Funk. 6 All Jazz by Prince is bad - I have introduced real Jazz fans to Prince by playing N.E.W.S. to them without them knowing who it was and they have liked it so much they have bought this album and others. 7 Musical Genres are absolute and cannot be crossed - Contemporary Jazz Contemporary Jazz is essentially a catch-all term for the various permutations of popular, mainstream jazz of the 1980s and '90s. While those years were certainly not devoid of complex, cerebral jazz recordings, music referred to as contemporary jazz does not usually share those sensibilities, nor is the term generally used to describe music centered around hard bop or the avant-garde. Instead, instrumental contemporary jazz is usually informed by some combination of a) fusion — often slickly produced, with an emphasis on rock and funk rhythms; b) pop-jazz, with its almost exclusive concentration on memorable melodies; c) smooth jazz, with its primary goal of creating pleasant, mellow textures; and d) crossover jazz and contemporary funk, with their blend of polished production and R&B influences. Not all contemporary jazz artists completely discard improvisation and challenging experimentation, but by and large, most instrumentalists emphasize shiny production, melody, and accessibility. In the realm of vocal jazz, artists may or may not possess an improvisational flair, but in most cases, their recordings attempt to evoke an aura of stylish sophistication, sometimes drawing upon pop and R&B in addition to jazz. Funk Named after a slang word for "stink," funk was indeed the rawest, most primal form of R&B, surpassing even Southern soul in terms of earthiness. It was also the least structured, often stretching out into extended jams, and the most Africanized, built on dynamic, highly syncopated polyrhythms. As such, it originally appealed only to hardcore R&B audiences. The groove was the most important musical element of funk — all the instruments of the ensemble played off of one another to create it, and worked it over and over. Deep electric bass lines often served as main riffs, with an interlocking web of short, scratchy guitar chords and blaring horns over the top. Unlike nearly every form of R&B that had come before it, funk didn't confine itself to the 45-rpm single format and the classic verse/chorus song structure. Funk bands were just as likely to repeat a catchy chant or hook out of the blue, and to give different song sections equal weight, so as not to disrupt the groove by building to a chorus-type climax. In essence, funk allowed for more freedom and improvisation Wow, finally someone who is willing to give Prince his due and credit. I would relish the combination of Prince with Anita Baker who is one of my all time favorite female vocalist. I wished that they had recorded the party at his home where Anita joined in with the band and just jammed. I watched her on some awards show on BET which I normally never watch and she stole the show. Just stole it. I have missed her voice on the radio for so long because of her legal issues with the record label. So combining the two of my favorites together would be heaven sent for me. May not be your cup of tea but I think that they would make some serious mood music. And don't doubt Prince's abilities to make improvisational music because he can get down with the best of them and they know but why some of you don't which I don't understand since this is supposed to be a fansite. | |
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I love Prince... and I used to be in love with Anita. I would be willing to give any potential collaboration a chance. | |
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jimmyrogertodd said: IanRG said: What I have learned about Jazz from Orgers
1 Most Jazz is not Jazz - The principle feature of Jazz is improvisation - Most studio Jazz albums do not have improvisation, this is more in live Jazz. 2 Beatboxing and unscripted Rap is Jazz - As above their principle feature is improvisation. This would apply to any music that is improvised. 3 Prince does not do Jazz because he does not improvise - Have you ever been to a Prince concert??? 4 All Jazz is "Pretty" sounding and sophisiticated - Have you heard Atonal Jazz or Dixieland as well as many other Jazz sub genres??? 5 People who can play R&B and Funk can't play Jazz - Fusion, Soul Jazz, Jazz Funk, Free Jazz, Acid Jazz etc are all sub genres of Jazz that have developed through the merging of Jazz, R&B and/or Funk. 6 All Jazz by Prince is bad - I have introduced real Jazz fans to Prince by playing N.E.W.S. to them without them knowing who it was and they have liked it so much they have bought this album and others. 7 Musical Genres are absolute and cannot be crossed - Contemporary Jazz Contemporary Jazz is essentially a catch-all term for the various permutations of popular, mainstream jazz of the 1980s and '90s. While those years were certainly not devoid of complex, cerebral jazz recordings, music referred to as contemporary jazz does not usually share those sensibilities, nor is the term generally used to describe music centered around hard bop or the avant-garde. Instead, instrumental contemporary jazz is usually informed by some combination of a) fusion — often slickly produced, with an emphasis on rock and funk rhythms; b) pop-jazz, with its almost exclusive concentration on memorable melodies; c) smooth jazz, with its primary goal of creating pleasant, mellow textures; and d) crossover jazz and contemporary funk, with their blend of polished production and R&B influences. Not all contemporary jazz artists completely discard improvisation and challenging experimentation, but by and large, most instrumentalists emphasize shiny production, melody, and accessibility. In the realm of vocal jazz, artists may or may not possess an improvisational flair, but in most cases, their recordings attempt to evoke an aura of stylish sophistication, sometimes drawing upon pop and R&B in addition to jazz. Funk Named after a slang word for "stink," funk was indeed the rawest, most primal form of R&B, surpassing even Southern soul in terms of earthiness. It was also the least structured, often stretching out into extended jams, and the most Africanized, built on dynamic, highly syncopated polyrhythms. As such, it originally appealed only to hardcore R&B audiences. The groove was the most important musical element of funk — all the instruments of the ensemble played off of one another to create it, and worked it over and over. Deep electric bass lines often served as main riffs, with an interlocking web of short, scratchy guitar chords and blaring horns over the top. Unlike nearly every form of R&B that had come before it, funk didn't confine itself to the 45-rpm single format and the classic verse/chorus song structure. Funk bands were just as likely to repeat a catchy chant or hook out of the blue, and to give different song sections equal weight, so as not to disrupt the groove by building to a chorus-type climax. In essence, funk allowed for more freedom and improvisation Wow, finally someone who is willing to give Prince his due and credit. I would relish the combination of Prince with Anita Baker who is one of my all time favorite female vocalist. I wished that they had recorded the party at his home where Anita joined in with the band and just jammed. I watched her on some awards show on BET which I normally never watch and she stole the show. Just stole it. I have missed her voice on the radio for so long because of her legal issues with the record label. So combining the two of my favorites together would be heaven sent for me. May not be your cup of tea but I think that they would make some serious mood music. And don't doubt Prince's abilities to make improvisational music because he can get down with the best of them and they know but why some of you don't which I don't understand since this is supposed to be a fansite. 
Finally...enough with the degrigation and overboarding. We dont even know what this souds like or if even one track is done! Straight Jacket Funk Affair
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god said: jill4life said: There's jazz.
Wes Montgomery the legendary jazz guitarist: Round Midnight http://www.youtube.com/wa...Om17yw__6U Miles Davis & John Coltrane A Love Supreme http://www.youtube.com/wa...5nVizoi_1Y Keith Jarrett I Loves You Porgy http://www.youtube.com/wa...3D8Ri84hmw (sooooo cute -- this video for the ladies had to include it.) Dinah Washington Is You Is or Is You Aint My Baby http://www.youtube.com/wa...DgtxUyKGOw For those that don't know jazz, just a few to get ya'll by. Yes, this is jazz!!! Instructions for viewing these clips: Forget that everything is relative to Prince. or Imagine that Prince's music does not exist (I know, this might be a stretch for some of you) Watch each video a few times. Let it sink in. Let me know how that works out for you. Can I get an AMEN.  | |
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novabrkr said: MrSoulpower said: The one thing U can say about Jazz, whether it be beautiful Piano, Sax, Bass,Guitar, Percussion or Vocals, is that it is Mellowing...in a peaceful way. Jazz is always pretty. 
http://www.youtube.com/wa...aK-8bcsx-I http://www.youtube.com/wa...xylGncz_DU http://www.youtube.com/wa...re=related Yeah, it's sort of pretty indeed. I guess. [Edited 4/30/09 23:05pm] That wasn't my quote, dude. | |
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MrSoulpower said: dilwithers said: maybe. see how easy it is to say "maybe" or "I think"?
I think if you can have an extremely stale "jazz" track with a group of musicians you can have a good one with just one musician and where did you come up with that definition for "jazz"?  Jazz History 101, back in College. 
Yes, you can have a stale track with a group of musicians. But once again, the essence of Jazz is improvisation. And when you record a track on your own, playing all instruments, you limit down improvisation - unless you can play at least four instruments simultaneously (even then it would be boring because the song would lack the creative input of multiple personalities). For that very reason you find very, very few Jazz albums recorded by just one artist (even though many Jazz musicians are multi-instrumentalists). It takes the live out of the song. ditto. A group of people playing and interacting together is essential for the project to be a jazz project. Xpectation and the madhouse trax fit that description, doesn't mean they're great jazz records | |
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Umm... I am not really waiting for this.
'Jazz' is not really his niche. It can work great when he incorporates a few jazz-elements in his funk-rock hybrid, as he has shown in the past, but when he tries to lay the focus too much on the instrumental jazz, he often misfires. | |
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Oh yeah he mentioned it on the tavis Smiley interview...eye'm SO xcited...finally he's working again with a mosntrously talented artist...eye hope he writes another album 4 Chaka Khan! | |
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IanRG said: What I have learned about Jazz from Orgers
1 Most Jazz is not Jazz - The principle feature of Jazz is improvisation - Most studio Jazz albums do not have improvisation, this is more in live Jazz. 2 Beatboxing and unscripted Rap is Jazz - As above their principle feature is improvisation. This would apply to any music that is improvised. 3 Prince does not do Jazz because he does not improvise - Have you ever been to a Prince concert??? 4 All Jazz is "Pretty" sounding and sophisiticated - Have you heard Atonal Jazz or Dixieland as well as many other Jazz sub genres??? 5 People who can play R&B and Funk can't play Jazz - Fusion, Soul Jazz, Jazz Funk, Free Jazz, Acid Jazz etc are all sub genres of Jazz that have developed through the merging of Jazz, R&B and/or Funk. 6 All Jazz by Prince is bad - I have introduced real Jazz fans to Prince by playing N.E.W.S. to them without them knowing who it was and they have liked it so much they have bought this album and others. 7 Musical Genres are absolute and cannot be crossed - Contemporary Jazz Contemporary Jazz is essentially a catch-all term for the various permutations of popular, mainstream jazz of the 1980s and '90s. While those years were certainly not devoid of complex, cerebral jazz recordings, music referred to as contemporary jazz does not usually share those sensibilities, nor is the term generally used to describe music centered around hard bop or the avant-garde. Instead, instrumental contemporary jazz is usually informed by some combination of a) fusion — often slickly produced, with an emphasis on rock and funk rhythms; b) pop-jazz, with its almost exclusive concentration on memorable melodies; c) smooth jazz, with its primary goal of creating pleasant, mellow textures; and d) crossover jazz and contemporary funk, with their blend of polished production and R&B influences. Not all contemporary jazz artists completely discard improvisation and challenging experimentation, but by and large, most instrumentalists emphasize shiny production, melody, and accessibility. In the realm of vocal jazz, artists may or may not possess an improvisational flair, but in most cases, their recordings attempt to evoke an aura of stylish sophistication, sometimes drawing upon pop and R&B in addition to jazz. Funk Named after a slang word for "stink," funk was indeed the rawest, most primal form of R&B, surpassing even Southern soul in terms of earthiness. It was also the least structured, often stretching out into extended jams, and the most Africanized, built on dynamic, highly syncopated polyrhythms. As such, it originally appealed only to hardcore R&B audiences. The groove was the most important musical element of funk — all the instruments of the ensemble played off of one another to create it, and worked it over and over. Deep electric bass lines often served as main riffs, with an interlocking web of short, scratchy guitar chords and blaring horns over the top. Unlike nearly every form of R&B that had come before it, funk didn't confine itself to the 45-rpm single format and the classic verse/chorus song structure. Funk bands were just as likely to repeat a catchy chant or hook out of the blue, and to give different song sections equal weight, so as not to disrupt the groove by building to a chorus-type climax. In essence, funk allowed for more freedom and improvisation Good points. Madhouse 8 is a very cool, funky and uniquely prince album. I agree that it probably is not jazz. And a Prince/Anita combination would be cool. Why would anyone down potentially new material from P? | |
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