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Reply #90 posted 04/29/09 12:15pm

Jeffiner

blackguitaristz said:

purplefingers said:

Controversy was the first Prince album that I bought,Controversy was the first 45 I bought of Prince also backed with When You Were Mine and I love the album it`s what made me a Prince fan!I remember his first singal Soft and Wet and all the singals before Controvery,which were good but it`s this one that got me to the record store and I`ve been a loyal fan ever sense.The Let`s Work 12" blow everybody away right then and there you knew he was special,with Gotta Stop Mess`n About their was no turning back I was a fan for life."people call me rude I wish we all where nude I wish their was no black or white I wish their were no rules" Do people have love for the Controvery album, heck yeah they do a whole lot of people do your not alone,Controvery made a lot folks Prince fans and collecters HE DID HIS BEST SCREAMS ON THAT ALBUM do you still have the poster?

I've stated on here SEVERAL times through out the years that the song Controversy is by far my all time favorite song by Prince. When P first came out, I was hip to him from his single Soft and Wet. I liked it well enough when it first started getting airplay but I didn't have the album yet. So without knowing who P was, I first thought just from hearing Soft and Wet on the radio, as a little kid, that it was a white girl singing and the name of the band was Prince! It wasn't untill my older cousin who had the album, did I see that P was a brutha. I bought the album and the only song besides Soft and Wet that I liked was "I'm Yours". I dug the hell out of his second album. I played that to death. Then When Dirty Mind hit, I liked it a lot. I actually had a chance to see P in concert at a club called Flippers in Hollywood but the tickets were all gone by the time I found out about the show. When the song Controversy started getting airplay, I flipped. I was already a fan of P's BUT when I heard THIS song, it was all over for me. It was, to me, the BADDEST and most different song I had ever heard. I was entranced by it. It sounded like nothing else on the radio to me. It had that raw guitar like Zapp's More Bounce To The Ounce, but it had that weird almost gospel like vibe crossed up with new wave....I thought the cat was the shit. Then when I saw the video to Controversy,...P and Dez looked beyond cool with that stain glass window behind them and the two angel statues on each side of the stage...they were throwin' down hard in a church...I knew P was on another level entirely. And yeah, Let's Work was no joke. Especially the 12'. Gotta Stop Messin About, a left over from the Dirty Mind sessions, sounded like a cross between The Cars and My Sharona from The Knack. Nobody could fuck with Prince during that period. From 81 to 83, P was simply somewhere else.


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Reply #91 posted 04/29/09 12:33pm

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Man...one of the first threads I ever wrote on here was asking the folks that were blessed to be around during that period was did P ever influence the way u dressed? On there, I mentioned how when I was in Jr. high and high school, P DEFINATELY influenced how I dressed. Moreso than P, Hendrix was my biggest influence on how I dressed and wore my hair. Then around early 82, I started wearing bandannas, the trench coats with the studs, and 12 Rude Boy buttons lined up in a row going straight down on one side of my Rude Boy shirt or whatever else I was wearing. Then I started blending Hendrix and Prince's look into Dez and Jesse's.


I took the LP to the hairdressers, handed it over and said "that's what I want!"
Unfortunately for me now, P has aged better and I ain't got much hair left.
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Reply #92 posted 04/29/09 12:36pm

Jeffiner

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Man...one of the first threads I ever wrote on here was asking the folks that were blessed to be around during that period was did P ever influence the way u dressed? On there, I mentioned how when I was in Jr. high and high school, P DEFINATELY influenced how I dressed. Moreso than P, Hendrix was my biggest influence on how I dressed and wore my hair. Then around early 82, I started wearing bandannas, the trench coats with the studs, and 12 Rude Boy buttons lined up in a row going straight down on one side of my Rude Boy shirt or whatever else I was wearing. Then I started blending Hendrix and Prince's look into Dez and Jesse's.


I took the LP to the hairdressers, handed it over and said "that's what I want!"
Unfortunately for me now, P has aged better and I ain't got much hair left.


lol
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Reply #93 posted 04/29/09 12:38pm

Jeffiner

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Jeffiner said:







Just pics showing that I was "Under the Influence".


lol Yep, just a tad... very cute though ... wink cool
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Reply #94 posted 04/29/09 12:39pm

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andymacfunky said:

Man...one of the first threads I ever wrote on here was asking the folks that were blessed to be around during that period was did P ever influence the way u dressed? On there, I mentioned how when I was in Jr. high and high school, P DEFINATELY influenced how I dressed. Moreso than P, Hendrix was my biggest influence on how I dressed and wore my hair. Then around early 82, I started wearing bandannas, the trench coats with the studs, and 12 Rude Boy buttons lined up in a row going straight down on one side of my Rude Boy shirt or whatever else I was wearing. Then I started blending Hendrix and Prince's look into Dez and Jesse's.


I took the LP to the hairdressers, handed it over and said "that's what I want!"
Unfortunately for me now, P has aged better and I ain't got much hair left.


I'm trying to pull it off now lol

my hair is a bit shorter than P's, but its almost there! The guitar playing, however, is no where near neutral lol
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Reply #95 posted 04/29/09 12:47pm

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MajesticOne89 said:

andymacfunky said:



I took the LP to the hairdressers, handed it over and said "that's what I want!"
Unfortunately for me now, P has aged better and I ain't got much hair left.


I'm trying to pull it off now lol

my hair is a bit shorter than P's, but its almost there! The guitar playing, however, is no where near neutral lol

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Reply #96 posted 04/29/09 2:09pm

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Jeffiner said:

blackguitaristz said:


Just pics showing that I was "Under the Influence".


lol Yep, just a tad... very cute though ... wink cool

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Reply #97 posted 04/29/09 2:14pm

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Jeffiner said:

blackguitaristz said:


I've stated on here SEVERAL times through out the years that the song Controversy is by far my all time favorite song by Prince. When P first came out, I was hip to him from his single Soft and Wet. I liked it well enough when it first started getting airplay but I didn't have the album yet. So without knowing who P was, I first thought just from hearing Soft and Wet on the radio, as a little kid, that it was a white girl singing and the name of the band was Prince! It wasn't untill my older cousin who had the album, did I see that P was a brutha. I bought the album and the only song besides Soft and Wet that I liked was "I'm Yours". I dug the hell out of his second album. I played that to death. Then When Dirty Mind hit, I liked it a lot. I actually had a chance to see P in concert at a club called Flippers in Hollywood but the tickets were all gone by the time I found out about the show. When the song Controversy started getting airplay, I flipped. I was already a fan of P's BUT when I heard THIS song, it was all over for me. It was, to me, the BADDEST and most different song I had ever heard. I was entranced by it. It sounded like nothing else on the radio to me. It had that raw guitar like Zapp's More Bounce To The Ounce, but it had that weird almost gospel like vibe crossed up with new wave....I thought the cat was the shit. Then when I saw the video to Controversy,...P and Dez looked beyond cool with that stain glass window behind them and the two angel statues on each side of the stage...they were throwin' down hard in a church...I knew P was on another level entirely. And yeah, Let's Work was no joke. Especially the 12'. Gotta Stop Messin About, a left over from the Dirty Mind sessions, sounded like a cross between The Cars and My Sharona from The Knack. Nobody could fuck with Prince during that period. From 81 to 83, P was simply somewhere else.


Crikey - My Sharona!! COOL! I LOVE these stories.... razz

Cool cuz I can go all night talking about this period. 79-88 really. But nah, I don't go all out sharing stuff truly cuz u know, folks on here trip. But I'm glad that u dig it.
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Reply #98 posted 04/29/09 2:40pm

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Controversy was absolutely necessary.....This album is important if for no other reason than his masterpiece 1999 simply would not have been what it was if it were not for this album.


I agree 100%. IMHO, on all levels (image, musicianship, touring, hype, etc...) Controversy built on what Dirty Mind was/did, 1999 built on what Controversy was/did and Purple Rain built on what 1999 was/did.
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Reply #99 posted 04/29/09 5:36pm

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I'll say it: I like Controversy better than Dirty Mind.


Same here. boxed

Those that say Controversy is anything short of a great album are wacky if you ask me! Personally, I think it's a brilliant album.
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Reply #100 posted 04/29/09 6:01pm

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I love the punk vibe on both Dirty Mind and Controversy... I love the space on those albums... You can hear that bass pretty clearly... The synths didn't take up that much room...

And the guitar sounds sweet... tracks like Uptown or Annie Christian... I love those guitar chords that sound rough... but not overblown rough...

thebanishedone's power trio thread made me think... I'd love to hear these songs live in a power trio format...
[Edited 4/29/09 18:16pm]
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Reply #101 posted 04/29/09 6:33pm

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bluefish said:

skywalker said:

I'll say it: I like Controversy better than Dirty Mind.


Same here. boxed

Those that say Controversy is anything short of a great album are wacky if you ask me! Personally, I think it's a brilliant album.


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Reply #102 posted 04/29/09 6:36pm

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coolcat said:

I love the punk vibe on both Dirty Mind and Controversy... I love the space on those albums... You can hear that bass pretty clearly... The synths didn't take up that much room...

And the guitar sounds sweet... tracks like Uptown or Annie Christian... I love those guitar chords that sound rough... but not overblown rough...

thebanishedone's power trio thread made me think... I'd love to hear these songs live in a power trio format...
[Edited 4/29/09 18:16pm]


You know, I've always thought of that, and imo i think the bass would have to make up a lot for the loss of the synths.
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Reply #103 posted 04/29/09 6:58pm

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MajesticOne89 said:

coolcat said:

I love the punk vibe on both Dirty Mind and Controversy... I love the space on those albums... You can hear that bass pretty clearly... The synths didn't take up that much room...

And the guitar sounds sweet... tracks like Uptown or Annie Christian... I love those guitar chords that sound rough... but not overblown rough...

thebanishedone's power trio thread made me think... I'd love to hear these songs live in a power trio format...
[Edited 4/29/09 18:16pm]


You know, I've always thought of that, and imo i think the bass would have to make up a lot for the loss of the synths.


yeah, some songs might be tough for sure.
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Reply #104 posted 04/29/09 7:06pm

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blackguitaristz said:

blackguitaristz said:


Good that someone else caught that about P's use of his falsetto and the difference of it's use on Dirty Mind and Controversy. I agree that P's confidence was sky high on the Dirty Mind album. Largely because I think that's when he discovered who he was as an artist and not just a cat who played a lot of different genres and instruments. His second album is very good and I always thought it was underrated. His songwriting on this album showcased his versatility and it's really a well rounded album. Can't really say there is any filler on that because each song has a life of it's on. A track like "It's Gonna Be Lonely" in itself is a cool track and that's the track that I think most people would point to as filler. That and "Sexy Dancer" and even "With You". But to me, those songs are very strong on their own. I say that to say P's use of falsetto is perfectly matched and tailored made for that album. And for 1979. Dirty Mind, is the Alpha album for what he would become and be known for and largely represented in Purple Rain. On Dirty Mind, he wrote more about a concept, a vision, an attitude. He then built upon that on each album which lead him up to his crowning of Purple Rain. But vocally, and his use of the falsetto where it's dominated on every track, I always thought one of the reasons he dropped it some for his natural voice was because of the arrival of The Time.

What I mean by this is I believe P felt now that he had unleashed The Time, who were seen as more masculine and cool, I think P felt he had to bring it with his own material. Since The Time's material (or bulk of it) was Prince's anyways, once he saw that it was well received (The Time's debut album sold better than Dirty Mind and Controversy) that opened it up even more for the type of material he chose to keep for himself. Thus, that got him off of the "sweet feminine girly" vibe and brought out more of his street raw side. And almost violent side. He's always "pimped" in his lyrics. Mentally pimping is when you're controlling someone even when they aren't aware of it. P did this to death in his lyrics from his second album. On the front, it appears that he's very sensitive and vulnerable when all along, it's designed to lure the woman in so he then can control her. After the emergence of The Time, P felt it was perfect time to drop his full time usage of his falsetto and be the crazed cat that he really is. That's the 1999 album. The whole "U think I'm crazy, you're probably right" motto. He was much more aggressive in his lyrics, much more dominant. So that echoed in his singing. He sounded a lot rougher and a lot of his themes on that album was sado sexually agressive. He definately had that "I'm not playing around with u, bitch!...U think I'm little?...Slap!" He was doing a Bob George on the 1999 album long BEFORE the Black Album. Essentially, I think P wanted to showcase that and I think one of the things that brought it out was The Time. He was already going in that direction on cuts like Ronnie Talk To Russia and Annie Christian. He was showing that he could get "weird". And he embraced that fully on the 1999 album. The Time's emergence I think dictated what he chose to keep musically. Tracks like "D.M.S.R.", "1999", "Lady Cab Driver" musically, are more darker in tone. More emphasis on a certain type of funk. He even took back "International Lover" that he intially wrote for The Time and decided to keep for himself. He was basically competting with himself through The Time and it manifested itself in different ways. For the better, I believe.


Absolutely. Well said.
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Reply #105 posted 05/02/09 11:01am

Jeffiner

So, just found this 'Controversy' thread from a while back - with photos! It's a good one ! biggrin

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Reply #106 posted 06/02/09 11:20pm

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rudeboynpg said:

blackguitaristz said:


What I mean by this is I believe P felt now that he had unleashed The Time, who were seen as more masculine and cool, I think P felt he had to bring it with his own material. Since The Time's material (or bulk of it) was Prince's anyways, once he saw that it was well received (The Time's debut album sold better than Dirty Mind and Controversy) that opened it up even more for the type of material he chose to keep for himself. Thus, that got him off of the "sweet feminine girly" vibe and brought out more of his street raw side. And almost violent side. He's always "pimped" in his lyrics. Mentally pimping is when you're controlling someone even when they aren't aware of it. P did this to death in his lyrics from his second album. On the front, it appears that he's very sensitive and vulnerable when all along, it's designed to lure the woman in so he then can control her. After the emergence of The Time, P felt it was perfect time to drop his full time usage of his falsetto and be the crazed cat that he really is. That's the 1999 album. The whole "U think I'm crazy, you're probably right" motto. He was much more aggressive in his lyrics, much more dominant. So that echoed in his singing. He sounded a lot rougher and a lot of his themes on that album was sado sexually agressive. He definately had that "I'm not playing around with u, bitch!...U think I'm little?...Slap!" He was doing a Bob George on the 1999 album long BEFORE the Black Album. Essentially, I think P wanted to showcase that and I think one of the things that brought it out was The Time. He was already going in that direction on cuts like Ronnie Talk To Russia and Annie Christian. He was showing that he could get "weird". And he embraced that fully on the 1999 album. The Time's emergence I think dictated what he chose to keep musically. Tracks like "D.M.S.R.", "1999", "Lady Cab Driver" musically, are more darker in tone. More emphasis on a certain type of funk. He even took back "International Lover" that he intially wrote for The Time and decided to keep for himself. He was basically competting with himself through The Time and it manifested itself in different ways. For the better, I believe.


Absolutely. Well said.

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Reply #107 posted 06/02/09 11:21pm

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This thread is back?


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Reply #108 posted 06/02/09 11:35pm

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Imago said:

This thread is back?

Sorry, I had to thank someone that I initially over looked. Why, the thread is cool. Anything on Controversy and 1999 album is always a plus.
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Reply #109 posted 06/02/09 11:59pm

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Controversy rules, although 1999 is better.
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Reply #110 posted 06/03/09 12:23am

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Controversy rules, although 1999 is better.

Yes. Controversy made the 1999 album possible. Controversy was VERY crucial because it laid the blueprint (along with The Time's first album and V6's album) for what P would explore on the 1999 album. And of course the break through of the 1999 album set up P's crowning glory....Purple Rain. But yeah, as I've stated on here many times in the past, the 1999 album is P's masterpiece. My favorite Prince album hands down.
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