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Reply #30 posted 04/15/09 7:00am

tomds

well, he had more succes in the late 80's in europe. remember the succesfull Lovesexy european tour, and the flopped american lovesexy tour. he even lost money in the states with the lovesexy tour. but what comes around goes around because we (europe) never saw the musicology tour, we never saw the hit and run tours.
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Reply #31 posted 04/15/09 7:00am

SoulAlive

Anxiety said:

i always think of "housequake" as SOTT's "erotic city", since it was included as the b-side of "u got the look" and i seem to remember it getting a fair enough bit of play at the time. i'm not sure if it would have gotten as much attention had it been an a-side.



You really don't think so? With a radio edit (removing the word "bullshit",lol) and a fun,well-choreographed video,I think it would have done really well.
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Reply #32 posted 04/15/09 7:01am

tomds

SoulAlive said:

Anxiety said:

i always think of "housequake" as SOTT's "erotic city", since it was included as the b-side of "u got the look" and i seem to remember it getting a fair enough bit of play at the time. i'm not sure if it would have gotten as much attention had it been an a-side.



You really don't think so? With a radio edit (removing the word "bullshit",lol) and a fun,well-choreographed video,I think it would have done really well.


I don't know actually. I prefer the live version of this song on the SOTT DVD. The album version is slower.
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Reply #33 posted 04/15/09 7:15am

Anxiety

SoulAlive said:

Anxiety said:

i always think of "housequake" as SOTT's "erotic city", since it was included as the b-side of "u got the look" and i seem to remember it getting a fair enough bit of play at the time. i'm not sure if it would have gotten as much attention had it been an a-side.



You really don't think so? With a radio edit (removing the word "bullshit",lol) and a fun,well-choreographed video,I think it would have done really well.


it very well could have. i just think of it more as a club song or as a fan favorite than as something that could have done well on the singles charts.
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Reply #34 posted 04/15/09 7:22am

TyphoonTip

rusty1 said:

Prince didn't release the right singles... "if i was your girlfriend" is a solid song but what the fuck?... "i could never take the place of your man" or " housequake" would've been better choices. The biggest mistake was not touring the states with that classic album and HIS BEST BAND EVER. That stage set was amazing and so on.. 1987 should've been his year.


It was.

Just not in the US.
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Reply #35 posted 04/15/09 8:59am

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I saw Prince and the band perform the "Sign 'O' The Times" show in Los Angeles on September 12, 1987.

It was at a the Country Club in Reseda (north of L.A. proper) after the American Music Awards (at which they also played).

Everyone from the AMAs seemed to be in the audience or on stage:
Chaka Kahn
Aerosmith
Huey Lewis
Joni Mitchell
Fleetwood Mac
Steve Vai
-many others.

The band took the stage at ~1:30AM (IIRC) and the groove didn't stop until dawn.

It was unquestionably one of the greatest concerts I've ever seen.
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Reply #36 posted 04/15/09 9:43am

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PsychedelicGoof said:

I saw Prince and the band perform the "Sign 'O' The Times" show in Los Angeles on September 12, 1987.

It was at a the Country Club in Reseda (north of L.A. proper) after the American Music Awards (at which they also played).

Everyone from the AMAs seemed to be in the audience or on stage:
Chaka Kahn
Aerosmith
Huey Lewis
Joni Mitchell
Fleetwood Mac
Steve Vai
-many others.

The band took the stage at ~1:30AM (IIRC) and the groove didn't stop until dawn.

It was unquestionably one of the greatest concerts I've ever seen.


You are so fuckin lucky to have attended that show. I remember hearing from friends that attended that show an I missed it. That show was one I would have loved to have seen.
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Reply #37 posted 04/15/09 10:29am

LiveToTell86

rusty1 said:

Prince didn't release the right singles... "if i was your girlfriend" is a solid song but what the fuck?... "i could never take the place of your man" or " housequake" would've been better choices. The biggest mistake was not touring the states with that classic album and HIS BEST BAND EVER. That stage set was amazing and so on.. 1987 should've been his year.


Why are all of your threads centered around 1987 and SOTT? confused
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Reply #38 posted 04/15/09 12:43pm

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thedance said:

Come on now:

If I Was Ur Girlfriend was an excellent single, but with no promotion video = no MTV airplay = less would know about it, the missing video was the mistake,

at least he did tour in Europe with SOTT, I saw the concert in Göteborg, Sweden... and he did the excellent SOTT movie, right?

For the US...

Prince just made an even better tour in 1988: Lovesexy. wink


ps. I admit Adore and Housequake would have been excellent singles too, but there are so many great songs on SOTT, it was hard to choose I guess.... biggrin

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NO NO and NO

LoveSexy was a better tour???? To who? It lost money and the shows I went to were half full.
Prime aka The Kid

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I need u to shake Ur lil' ass n hips
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Reply #39 posted 04/15/09 12:48pm

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tomds said:

well, he had more succes in the late 80's in europe. remember the succesfull Lovesexy european tour, and the flopped american lovesexy tour. he even lost money in the states with the lovesexy tour. but what comes around goes around because we (europe) never saw the musicology tour, we never saw the hit and run tours.


I was surprised that he didn't go over to Europe in 2004 or do a TV special or release a DVD. I guess the tour was exciting enough for him....I am sure he must have felt GOOD to have all those sell outs again. He had to keep going back to LA because the tickets kept selling.
Prime aka The Kid

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I need u to shake Ur lil' ass n hips
I need u to grind like Ur working for tips
And give me what I need while we listen to PRINCE"
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Reply #40 posted 04/15/09 12:52pm

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Anxiety said:

i remember having a great time being a prince fan in 1987, even if he didn't tour the states.

He toured just NOT in the USA bow

Ty Anx for stating that thumbs up!
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Reply #41 posted 04/15/09 1:03pm

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Why do Prince fans always harken on the damn past?
C'mon ppl that was 20 some odd years ago!
Its Prince's career and he does whatever he wants to do, if he wants to release single w/o a video or not release singles for the songs radio has added to their playlist! Its his career and his business...

The album did what it was suppose to do.
Just like Lotus Flow3r, he promoted the cd with 3 shows in l.a. and 3 performances on leno, not to mention hooked up with Target to have an outlet for the music and they provided some promos themselves for the product, now if the album fizzles away from the charts, trust me, Prince didn't release the project for the charts. He released it to get his new music out there and there was enough attention to draw for it.

end of story
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Reply #42 posted 04/15/09 4:53pm

OldFriends4Sal
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DetroitMusic said:

Why do Prince fans always harken on the damn past?
C'mon ppl that was 20 some odd years ago!
Its Prince's career and he does whatever he wants to do, if he wants to release single w/o a video or not release singles for the songs radio has added to their playlist! Its his career and his business...

The album did what it was suppose to do.
Just like Lotus Flow3r, he promoted the cd with 3 shows in l.a. and 3 performances on leno, not to mention hooked up with Target to have an outlet for the music and they provided some promos themselves for the product, now if the album fizzles away from the charts, trust me, Prince didn't release the project for the charts. He released it to get his new music out there and there was enough attention to draw for it.

end of story



liten up, its just fan talk, your actually taking it/reading it 2 seriously
I don't understand people want 2 stiffle others fun

what we are doing is the same as fans of Star Wars do in discussion, the students of Renaissance periods or people who love researching the 1960's

You never know who here will right the next Prince book
Prince's career is very interesting, and the people the love talking about then also love talking about Prince now...

so liten up, stop going into threads you know you won't like and stop trying to squash others enjoyment here...
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Reply #43 posted 04/15/09 4:58pm

tricky2

DetroitMusic said:

Why do Prince fans always harken on the damn past?
C'mon ppl that was 20 some odd years ago!
Its Prince's career and he does whatever he wants to do, if he wants to release single w/o a video or not release singles for the songs radio has added to their playlist! Its his career and his business...

The album did what it was suppose to do.
Just like Lotus Flow3r, he promoted the cd with 3 shows in l.a. and 3 performances on leno, not to mention hooked up with Target to have an outlet for the music and they provided some promos themselves for the product, now if the album fizzles away from the charts, trust me, Prince didn't release the project for the charts. He released it to get his new music out there and there was enough attention to draw for it.

end of story


Maybe because he was much better back then?
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Reply #44 posted 04/15/09 5:11pm

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thedance said:

^ ... blame it on the missing video to IIWYG...


just imo. smile
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The song hardly got any airplay. I was as big of a fan as most at the time and I was really disappointed with all the Camille songs. I can remember as a kid playing 45s or albums at 78 speed and laughing my ass off. Soooo...I just didn't get the whole sped up voice thing. I still don't. Needless to say when almost 1/2 the songs on MPLSSOUND had that same effect I was like SHIT!!! I know a lot of people seem to like it, but with a voice like his he doesn't need to mess with it. Thank God for the Sign O The Times movie so there would be a normal version of If I Was Your Girlfriend.
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Reply #45 posted 04/15/09 5:27pm

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tomds said:

well, he had more succes in the late 80's in europe. remember the succesfull Lovesexy european tour, and the flopped american lovesexy tour. he even lost money in the states with the lovesexy tour. but what comes around goes around because we (europe) never saw the musicology tour, we never saw the hit and run tours.

Don't feel bad! I live in the states and a lot of fans didn't get to see the Parade hit and run shows since they were so last minute and if you didn't live in the city they were playing then you might as well forgot it. We didn't get the Sign O The Times tour, the Nude tour (which to me was far better than the Musicology "greatest hits" tour). We didn't get Diamonds and Pearls tour either. Act 1 adn Act 11 were totally different shows from what I remember. Weren't the european fans able to send in their requests as to what he would play? I just remember being jealous that he was playing the Beautiful Ones on Act 11. The tours after that were not so "must see" for me, even though I still went. LOL
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Reply #46 posted 04/15/09 6:33pm

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Mindflux said:

Ugh - it just amazes me (even after all this time) just how conceited and misguided some people are on this site.

Here you are, talking about Prince as though he is some sort of failure, always pointing out (in this case, with 22 years hindsight!) his perceived past mistakes and claiming "he shoulda done this".

Firstly, what the f*** do most of you lot know anyway? I'll bet 99% of you have absolutely NOTHING to do with the record industry and yet you sit there in your bedrooms, having come home from your regular,, virtually meaningless 9-5 and pontificate as you type about how you would have done things and been so much more successful - get real!!

You are talking about one of the most successful figures in pop history - the name Prince is known globally (what about your name?), as is his music. He has sold millions of records and had a 30+ year career (most of you won't even manage that in your cushdy 9-5!).

How would Prince's career been any different had he done what you lot suggest? Would he have been "more successful" than he is now? How would you quantify that? Before you extol these "expert" views, perhaps you should take a minute to reflect and realise that, actually, you know f*** all!


so it works like this, right:

prince -> you -> us

sort of like:

god -> man -> woman -> child -> animal

i get it.
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Reply #47 posted 04/15/09 6:37pm

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LiveToTell86 said:

rusty1 said:

Prince didn't release the right singles... "if i was your girlfriend" is a solid song but what the fuck?... "i could never take the place of your man" or " housequake" would've been better choices. The biggest mistake was not touring the states with that classic album and HIS BEST BAND EVER. That stage set was amazing and so on.. 1987 should've been his year.


Why are all of your threads centered around 1987 and SOTT? confused


it could be for a similar reason that your username only has the number '86' in it and not all the other possible combinations of numbers that were available.
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Reply #48 posted 04/15/09 6:38pm

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this is ridiculous.
it's time for a new direction / it's time for jazz to die
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Reply #49 posted 04/15/09 7:53pm

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I think NOT releasing Housequake was a conscious decision at the time. When SOTT was first released (the album) radio was all over this track and when the second single was chosen, I think there was some concern that HQ had already burned out in some key/big markets. Billboard even acknowledged this at the time.

So with HQ already getting good play, choosing IIWYG was a way to show a different side to the album.

Having no video for the song was a detriment, however, I think the reason there was no real video for SOTT or IIWYG is because Prince was still fuming over MTV's refusal to play Jill Jones' video.
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Reply #50 posted 04/15/09 8:07pm

j92

rusty1 said:

Prince didn't release the right singles... "if i was your girlfriend" is a solid song but what the fuck?... "i could never take the place of your man" or " housequake" would've been better choices. The biggest mistake was not touring the states with that classic album and HIS BEST BAND EVER. That stage set was amazing and so on.. 1987 should've been his year.

a movie release only lol
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Reply #51 posted 04/15/09 11:38pm

bak1999

I was blessed to be at the Country Club show too, but it was after the 1987 MTV awards, not the AMA's.
I've seen P over 70 times, starting with the Sunday Stones show at the Coliseum in October of 1981, where he was dressed in bikini briefs, leg warmers and a trench coat and nearly got booed off the stage, but the Country Club show was the best I've ever seen him.
It was a magic night.
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Reply #52 posted 04/16/09 12:32am

SoulAlive

jtfolden said:

I think NOT releasing Housequake was a conscious decision at the time. When SOTT was first released (the album) radio was all over this track and when the second single was chosen, I think there was some concern that HQ had already burned out in some key/big markets. Billboard even acknowledged this at the time.

So with HQ already getting good play, choosing IIWYG was a way to show a different side to the album.

Having no video for the song was a detriment, however, I think the reason there was no real video for SOTT or IIWYG is because Prince was still fuming over MTV's refusal to play Jill Jones' video.


Yeah,I remember hearing about this.Prince was pissed at MTV because they rejected Jill Jones' "Mia Bocca" video,so in retaliation,he didn't give them videos for the songs "Sign O The Times" or "If I Was Your Girlfriend".Actually,there was a video for the title track but it was just the words to the song on a blank screen.Very boring.I don't know if MTV ever played it,lol.
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Reply #53 posted 04/16/09 1:07am

SoulAlive

tomds said:

well, he had more succes in the late 80's in europe. remember the succesfull Lovesexy european tour, and the flopped american lovesexy tour. he even lost money in the states with the lovesexy tour. but what comes around goes around because we (europe) never saw the musicology tour, we never saw the hit and run tours.


This is just my opinion,but I honestly believe that a US 'SOTT' tour in the fall/winter of '87 would have been so much more successful than the 'Lovesexy' tour,which had alot of problems.SOTT was a much more accessible album,it had several Top 10 hits (even non-hits like "Hot Thing" and "Adore" were getting alot of attention and airplay) and there was alot of "buzz" surrounding Prince in 1987.The failure of 'Under The Cherry Moon' was pretty much forgotten.He was red-hot again.What better time to launch a US tour?

The 'Lovesexy' tour was brilliant but 1988 was a rough period for Prince.Many shows didn't even sellout.Alot of this has to do with the album itself.The album was less accessible than SOTT,plus the nude cover probably hurt the sales,too.
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Reply #54 posted 04/16/09 3:07am

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rusty1 said:

Prince didn't release the right singles... "if i was your girlfriend" is a solid song but what the fuck?... "i could never take the place of your man" or " housequake" would've been better choices. The biggest mistake was not touring the states with that classic album and HIS BEST BAND EVER. That stage set was amazing and so on.. 1987 should've been his year.


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Reply #55 posted 04/16/09 6:02am

Dayclear

rusty1 said:

Prince didn't release the right singles... "if i was your girlfriend" is a solid song but what the fuck?... "i could never take the place of your man" or " housequake" would've been better choices. The biggest mistake was not touring the states with that classic album and HIS BEST BAND EVER. That stage set was amazing and so on.. 1987 should've been his year.

that's just YOUR opinion. I disagree! confused
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Reply #56 posted 04/16/09 8:07am

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PsychedelicGoof said:

I saw Prince and the band perform the "Sign 'O' The Times" show in Los Angeles on September 12, 1987.

It was at a the Country Club in Reseda (north of L.A. proper) after the American Music Awards (at which they also played).

Everyone from the AMAs seemed to be in the audience or on stage:
Chaka Kahn
Aerosmith
Huey Lewis
Joni Mitchell
Fleetwood Mac
Steve Vai
-many others.

The band took the stage at ~1:30AM (IIRC) and the groove didn't stop until dawn.

It was unquestionably one of the greatest concerts I've ever seen.




wow ..lucky u....still hopin for a recording of this show...remember the setlist?
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Reply #57 posted 04/16/09 8:53am

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Reply #58 posted 04/16/09 1:50pm

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yeahthat What that said.
Smurf theme song-seriously how many fucking "La Las" can u fit into a dam song wall
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Reply #59 posted 04/19/09 10:53pm

CJanssen

rusty1 said:

Prince didn't release the right singles... "if i was your girlfriend" is a solid song but what the fuck?... "i could never take the place of your man" or " housequake" would've been better choices. The biggest mistake was not touring the states with that classic album and HIS BEST BAND EVER. That stage set was amazing and so on.. 1987 should've been his year.


I'm from Europe and it was a superb year. I don't remember like all of you when he released what single. I just remember sitting on the stairs of school with my walkman listening to If I was your girlfriend on the radio and melting, melting into this huge puddle of love. Such a great single.
He toured all over, I saw pics everywhere, a real frenzy. He was on the radio all day long with probably all of his songs, he was so good. Tv showed his clips. I enjoyed it so much and so did probably the rest of the world.
So funny that you're having this conversation over here.
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