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Prince's biggest mistake not touring 4 "sign o' the times " Prince didn't release the right singles... "if i was your girlfriend" is a solid song but what the fuck?... "i could never take the place of your man" or " housequake" would've been better choices. The biggest mistake was not touring the states with that classic album and HIS BEST BAND EVER. That stage set was amazing and so on.. 1987 should've been his year. BOB4theFUNK | |
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i remember having a great time being a prince fan in 1987, even if he didn't tour the states. | |
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Dude even with that horrible choice for a second single Prince hit home runs with U Got The Look/Housequake and ICNTTPOYM/Hot Thing .Hell even Adore was being played on radio and it was not a single.
The biggest mistake was not releasing Adore in the Spring of 1988 as a single and not releasing Housequake as a true single and not a b-side. [Edited 4/14/09 19:42pm] |
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rusty1 said: Prince didn't release the right singles... "if i was your girlfriend" is a solid song but what the fuck?... "i could never take the place of your man" or " housequake" would've been better choices. The biggest mistake was not touring the states with that classic album and HIS BEST BAND EVER. That stage set was amazing and so on.. 1987 should've been his year.
YES YES YES YES YES biggest mistake .... and the second single should have been u got the look, housequake , hot thing, adore all should have been singles on their own, not just b sides..... the album would have been a much bigger seller... coupled with a tour, everyone would have just forgotten about UTCM.... i remember being a little kid and my heart was broken that he didnt tour... but its over now.. i guess... and i love being excited for new prince music for a change! |
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rusty1 said: Prince didn't release the right singles... "if i was your girlfriend" is a solid song but what the fuck?... "i could never take the place of your man" or " housequake" would've been better choices. The biggest mistake was not touring the states with that classic album and HIS BEST BAND EVER. That stage set was amazing and so on.. 1987 should've been his year.
I agree, there is a proverb:a little impatients spoils great plans I think artists should work the hell out of an album. between 1999-Parade Prince would have at least 3 videos and singles from an album usually consisting of 8 songs. He broke out with Sign o the Times(his 1st double album) with some great songs and for a double album that says a lot. He should have done lots of medium sized shows, Jill Jones album dropped along with Sign o the Times, & Madhouse(they toured with him) but he should have had Jill as a protege integrated into what was going on as well. He only dropped 3 official singles from SOTT 2 Bsides and what 1 real video(U Got the Look) His management team was really into SOTT and wanted 2 promo that album much more, They also didn't think If I Was Your Girlfriend should have been released just yet. He went against it. Not touring the States with SOTT and not releasing the Black album as follow up were commercial mistakes. Black album fits well right after SOTT [Edited 4/14/09 20:19pm] | |
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I agree,it was a big mistake not bringing the SOTT tour to the states.I remember seeing the concert film and I was blown away! THIS tour would have been amazing.Around this period,there was alot of talk that Prince was "old news,no longer relevent".I'm convinced that an American SOTT tour in the fall/winter of '87 would have turned things around for him.
I also agree that the right singles weren't released.I really like "If I Was Your Girlfriend" but it was probably too weird for the masses.They didn't "get" it.That song (briefly) stalled the momentum of the album.In the summer of '87,"Housequake" was getting alot of airplay on radio stations.That would have been the logical choice for the second single.I don't think that Prince realized how popular that song was. | |
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muleFunk said: The biggest mistake was not releasing Adore in the Spring of 1988 as a single and not releasing Housequake as a true single and not a b-side.
One of the Warner Bros. execs complained that they wanted more time to fully promote the album and release future singles.They felt that the concert film should have been released in the summertime.I think the album could have lasted up to a whole year on the charts but by early 1988,Prince was already bored with the album.He had moved on. . [Edited 4/15/09 0:19am] | |
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Come on now:
If I Was Ur Girlfriend was an excellent single, but with no promotion video = no MTV airplay = less would know about it, the missing video was the mistake, at least he did tour in Europe with SOTT, I saw the concert in Göteborg, Sweden... and he did the excellent SOTT movie, right? For the US... Prince just made an even better tour in 1988: Lovesexy. 
ps. I admit Adore and Housequake would have been excellent singles too, but there are so many great songs on SOTT, it was hard to choose I guess.... 
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Ugh - it just amazes me (even after all this time) just how conceited and misguided some people are on this site.
Here you are, talking about Prince as though he is some sort of failure, always pointing out (in this case, with 22 years hindsight!) his perceived past mistakes and claiming "he shoulda done this". Firstly, what the f*** do most of you lot know anyway? I'll bet 99% of you have absolutely NOTHING to do with the record industry and yet you sit there in your bedrooms, having come home from your regular,, virtually meaningless 9-5 and pontificate as you type about how you would have done things and been so much more successful - get real!! You are talking about one of the most successful figures in pop history - the name Prince is known globally (what about your name?), as is his music. He has sold millions of records and had a 30+ year career (most of you won't even manage that in your cushdy 9-5!). How would Prince's career been any different had he done what you lot suggest? Would he have been "more successful" than he is now? How would you quantify that? Before you extol these "expert" views, perhaps you should take a minute to reflect and realise that, actually, you know f*** all! ...we have only scratched the surface of what the mind can do...
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Mindflux said: Ugh - it just amazes me (even after all this time) just how conceited and misguided some people are on this site.
Here you are, talking about Prince as though he is some sort of failure, always pointing out (in this case, with 22 years hindsight!) his perceived past mistakes and claiming "he shoulda done this". Firstly, what the f*** do most of you lot know anyway? I'll bet 99% of you have absolutely NOTHING to do with the record industry and yet you sit there in your bedrooms, having come home from your regular,, virtually meaningless 9-5 and pontificate as you type about how you would have done things and been so much more successful - get real!! You are talking about one of the most successful figures in pop history - the name Prince is known globally (what about your name?), as is his music. He has sold millions of records and had a 30+ year career (most of you won't even manage that in your cushdy 9-5!). How would Prince's career been any different had he done what you lot suggest? Would he have been "more successful" than he is now? How would you quantify that? Before you extol these "expert" views, perhaps you should take a minute to reflect and realise that, actually, you know f*** all!  To Sir, with Love | |
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thedance said: Come on now:
If I Was Ur Girlfriend was an excellent single, but with no promotion video = no MTV airplay = less would know about it, the missing video was the mistake, at least he did tour in Europe with SOTT, I saw the concert in Göteborg, Sweden... and he did the excellent SOTT movie, right? For the US... Prince just made an even better tour in 1988: Lovesexy.
ps. I admit Adore and Housequake would have been excellent singles too, but there are so many great songs on SOTT, it was hard to choose I guess....
----- [Edited 4/15/09 0:44am] If I Was Your Girlfriend would have been a good single with:with video,Bside etc etc but the execs thought it was too soon, they thought a more upbeat song should have been next. I agree, especially since Housequake at that time was bangin everywhere. Strange Relationships definately should have been released as a single. Yeah he made the 'excellent SOTT' movie but the fans got shafted on that. We wanted to see the show live (In my opinion one of his most spectacular stage set ups) and we see it on screen(He could have done both) | |
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OldFriends4Sale said: thedance said: Come on now:
If I Was Ur Girlfriend was an excellent single, but with no promotion video = no MTV airplay = less would know about it, the missing video was the mistake, at least he did tour in Europe with SOTT, I saw the concert in Göteborg, Sweden... and he did the excellent SOTT movie, right? For the US... Prince just made an even better tour in 1988: Lovesexy.
ps. I admit Adore and Housequake would have been excellent singles too, but there are so many great songs on SOTT, it was hard to choose I guess....
----- [Edited 4/15/09 0:44am] If I Was Your Girlfriend would have been a good single with:with video,Bside etc etc but the execs thought it was too soon, they thought a more upbeat song should have been next. I agree, especially since Housequake at that time was bangin everywhere. Strange Relationships definately should have been released as a single. Yeah he made the 'excellent SOTT' movie but the fans got shafted on that. We wanted to see the show live (In my opinion one of his most spectacular stage set ups) and we see it on screen(He could have done both) You really think "Strange Relationship" shoulda been a single? What about "It"? With a cool video,it might have done well with pop audiences. | |
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i feel like the decision to make 'if i was your girlfriend' a single was really smart. he knew it wouldn't be a smash top 10 single like 'u got the look', but look how influential that song has become in the years since. he knew what he was doing, and it was a bold move. i personally love that single. i love the sleeve cover, and of course the b-side is one of his most fun non-album b-sides ever. | |
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Anxiety said: i feel like the decision to make 'if i was your girlfriend' a single was really smart. he knew it wouldn't be a smash top 10 single like 'u got the look', but look how influential that song has become in the years since. he knew what he was doing, and it was a bold move. i personally love that single. i love the sleeve cover, and of course the b-side is one of his most fun non-album b-sides ever.
Do you really think that was his reasoning in 1987 for releasing IIWYGF as the 2nd single? I dunno, it seems a tad revisionist to me. I do think you have a point, I'd love to imagine Prince saying 'you wait and see!' and being right! Although it seems likely that he also wanted an R&B hit, whilst still being ballsy - but without a video and promo it just didn't click, and should've come further down the line as single #4 or something, to really hammer home this is an album for all fucking time, then single #5, the tour, concert movie, etc, etc. All commercially speaking speaking of course. There's no doubt Prince mis-managed SOTT as a double album project. IIWYGF as single #2, with no video. Cancelling the US tour in favour of the overblown and costly Lovesexy tour, having a double album and cutting it loose so quickly. Commercial nonesense. Time has been forgiving and just to SOTT, thankfully. | |
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SoulAlive said: OldFriends4Sale said: If I Was Your Girlfriend would have been a good single with:with video,Bside etc etc but the execs thought it was too soon, they thought a more upbeat song should have been next. I agree, especially since Housequake at that time was bangin everywhere. Strange Relationships definately should have been released as a single. Yeah he made the 'excellent SOTT' movie but the fans got shafted on that. We wanted to see the show live (In my opinion one of his most spectacular stage set ups) and we see it on screen(He could have done both) You really think "Strange Relationship" shoulda been a single? What about "It"? With a cool video,it might have done well with pop audiences. I think this song should have been a single...I like the "Alladin," piece of this song.  "The Lion Sleeps Tonight... | |
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NouveauDance said: Anxiety said: i feel like the decision to make 'if i was your girlfriend' a single was really smart. he knew it wouldn't be a smash top 10 single like 'u got the look', but look how influential that song has become in the years since. he knew what he was doing, and it was a bold move. i personally love that single. i love the sleeve cover, and of course the b-side is one of his most fun non-album b-sides ever.
Do you really think that was his reasoning in 1987 for releasing IIWYGF as the 2nd single? I dunno, it seems a tad revisionist to me. I do think you have a point, I'd love to imagine Prince saying 'you wait and see!' and being right! Although it seems likely that he also wanted an R&B hit, whilst still being ballsy - but without a video and promo it just didn't click, and should've come further down the line as single #4 or something, to really hammer home this is an album for all fucking time, then single #5, the tour, concert movie, etc, etc. All commercially speaking speaking of course. There's no doubt Prince mis-managed SOTT as a double album project. IIWYGF as single #2, with no video. Cancelling the US tour in favour of the overblown and costly Lovesexy tour, having a double album and cutting it loose so quickly. Commercial nonesense. Time has been forgiving and just to SOTT, thankfully. oh, i'm sure you're right to some extent - i can see in that...unique...brain of his, thinking IIWYG would be a big smash single at the time. but i also think his attitude was "i'm gonna release this freaky-ass song and everyone's gonna love it, so NYAH." plus, the no-brainer of having "u got the look" as the third single was an awfully nice contingency plan, no? | |
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I remember when 'If I Was Your Girlfriend' was the single,the album began tumbling down the charts.When "U Got The Look" was released as the third single,the album began climbing back up the charts.There is no doubt that "IIWYG" briefly stalled the album's momentum.The song got some airplay on R&B stations but pop radio was scared of this song,lol.It was a little too "out there" for pop radio.Prince probably felt that,since he released a few 'bold' singles in the past ("When Doves Cry",which has no bassline..."Kiss",which is totally stipped down),the public would eagerly embrace "Girlfriend" too. | |
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^ ... blame it on the missing video to IIWYG...
just imo.  [Edited 4/15/09 6:15am] Prince 4Ever. | |
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Tame said: SoulAlive said: You really think "Strange Relationship" shoulda been a single? What about "It"? With a cool video,it might have done well with pop audiences. I think this song should have been a single...I like the "Alladin," piece of this song. Strange Relationship is a hot song, nice danceable beat, relevant yet catchy lyrics, the groove was hot, one of my favorites to hear live as well The hottest one I've heard was at the Open Rehearsal @ 1st Avenue, it was the Minneapolis Sound it was funky and sexy | |
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Why do you have to make it so personal? Everyone knows this was a huge mistake. If you were a fan in 1987, you would know exactly how frustrating it was to know that there was this masterpiece but the public had moved on (U2,Rap, Hair Pop Metal) and that Prince and WB screwed this up. You don't have to be a record company genius (as if there is such a thing) to know this.
Why dont you just chill and let some fans experience some regret over past missteps. Mindflux said: Ugh - it just amazes me (even after all this time) just how conceited and misguided some people are on this site.
Here you are, talking about Prince as though he is some sort of failure, always pointing out (in this case, with 22 years hindsight!) his perceived past mistakes and claiming "he shoulda done this". Firstly, what the f*** do most of you lot know anyway? I'll bet 99% of you have absolutely NOTHING to do with the record industry and yet you sit there in your bedrooms, having come home from your regular,, virtually meaningless 9-5 and pontificate as you type about how you would have done things and been so much more successful - get real!! You are talking about one of the most successful figures in pop history - the name Prince is known globally (what about your name?), as is his music. He has sold millions of records and had a 30+ year career (most of you won't even manage that in your cushdy 9-5!). How would Prince's career been any different had he done what you lot suggest? Would he have been "more successful" than he is now? How would you quantify that? Before you extol these "expert" views, perhaps you should take a minute to reflect and realise that, actually, you know f*** all! | |
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thedance said: ^ ... blame the missing video to IIWYG...
 I wonder what a video would have been like? What could Prince have done in this video? | |
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COSIGN liten up Mindflux
emesem said: Why do you have to make it so personal? Everyone knows this was a huge mistake. If you were a fan in 1987, you would know exactly how frustrating it was to know that there was this masterpiece but the public had moved on (U2,Rap, Hair Pop Metal) and that Prince and WB screwed this up. You don't have to be a record company genius (as if there is such a thing) to know this.
Why dont you just chill and let some fans experience some regret over past missteps. Mindflux said: Ugh - it just amazes me (even after all this time) just how conceited and misguided some people are on this site.
Here you are, talking about Prince as though he is some sort of failure, always pointing out (in this case, with 22 years hindsight!) his perceived past mistakes and claiming "he shoulda done this". Firstly, what the f*** do most of you lot know anyway? I'll bet 99% of you have absolutely NOTHING to do with the record industry and yet you sit there in your bedrooms, having come home from your regular,, virtually meaningless 9-5 and pontificate as you type about how you would have done things and been so much more successful - get real!! You are talking about one of the most successful figures in pop history - the name Prince is known globally (what about your name?), as is his music. He has sold millions of records and had a 30+ year career (most of you won't even manage that in your cushdy 9-5!). How would Prince's career been any different had he done what you lot suggest? Would he have been "more successful" than he is now? How would you quantify that? Before you extol these "expert" views, perhaps you should take a minute to reflect and realise that, actually, you know f*** all! [Edited 4/15/09 7:03am] | |
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Mindflux said: Ugh - it just amazes me (even after all this time) just how conceited and misguided some people are on this site.
Here you are, talking about Prince as though he is some sort of failure, always pointing out (in this case, with 22 years hindsight!) his perceived past mistakes and claiming "he shoulda done this". Firstly, what the f*** do most of you lot know anyway? I'll bet 99% of you have absolutely NOTHING to do with the record industry and yet you sit there in your bedrooms, having come home from your regular,, virtually meaningless 9-5 and pontificate as you type about how you would have done things and been so much more successful - get real!! You are talking about one of the most successful figures in pop history - the name Prince is known globally (what about your name?), as is his music. He has sold millions of records and had a 30+ year career (most of you won't even manage that in your cushdy 9-5!). How would Prince's career been any different had he done what you lot suggest? Would he have been "more successful" than he is now? How would you quantify that? Before you extol these "expert" views, perhaps you should take a minute to reflect and realise that, actually, you know f*** all! Oh lighten up!  We're just playing a harmless game of 'what if?'.There's no need to get all pissed.It's fun to look back and imagine how things might have turned out under different circumstances.Prince is a musical genuis,but it doesn't mean that he hasn't made any career mistakes. | |
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SoulAlive said: thedance said: ^ ... blame the missing video to IIWYG...
I wonder what a video would have been like? What could Prince have done in this video?I wonder the same, maybe a hot live performance of the song - like the one later in the SOTT movie - would have been good, & made the album more successful... I still love IIWYG - the song - very very much, it is a shame the single was so overlooked back then. Prince 4Ever. | |
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Anxiety said: NouveauDance said: Do you really think that was his reasoning in 1987 for releasing IIWYGF as the 2nd single? I dunno, it seems a tad revisionist to me. I do think you have a point, I'd love to imagine Prince saying 'you wait and see!' and being right! Although it seems likely that he also wanted an R&B hit, whilst still being ballsy - but without a video and promo it just didn't click, and should've come further down the line as single #4 or something, to really hammer home this is an album for all fucking time, then single #5, the tour, concert movie, etc, etc. All commercially speaking speaking of course. There's no doubt Prince mis-managed SOTT as a double album project. IIWYGF as single #2, with no video. Cancelling the US tour in favour of the overblown and costly Lovesexy tour, having a double album and cutting it loose so quickly. Commercial nonesense. Time has been forgiving and just to SOTT, thankfully. oh, i'm sure you're right to some extent - i can see in that...unique...brain of his, thinking IIWYG would be a big smash single at the time. but i also think his attitude was "i'm gonna release this freaky-ass song and everyone's gonna love it, so NYAH." plus, the no-brainer of having "u got the look" as the third single was an awfully nice contingency plan, no?  "U Got The Look" basically saved the album.It's an extremely commericial track and the video was fantastic.It almost become a Number One hit,but Lisa Lisa's "Lost In Emotion" (a song that I also like) kept it out of the top spot.
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Is this what we can agree on would have helped promoting the album:
1st single: Sign O' The Times 2nd single: U Got The Look 3rd single: I Could Never Take The Place Of Your Man 4th single: If I Was Your Girlfriend (incl. video from the SOTT movie) 5th single: Adore 6th single: Housequake Or would that have been too much....?  Prince 4Ever. | |
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thedance said: Is this what we can agree on would have helped promoting the album:
1st single: Sign O' The Times 2nd single: U Got The Look 3rd single: I Could Never Take The Place Of Your Man 4th single: If I Was Your Girlfriend (incl. video from the SOTT movie) 5th single: Adore 6th single: Housequake Or would that have been too much....? I think "Housequake" should have been the second single.The response to that song was tremendous! | |
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^ sounds cool to me:
1st single: Sign O' The Times 2nd single: Housequake 3rd single: U Got The Look 4th single: I Could Never Take The Place Of Your Man 5th single: If I Was Your Girlfriend (incl. video from the SOTT movie) 6th single: Adore Omg, what a cool list of hit singles... Prince 4Ever. | |
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i always think of "housequake" as SOTT's "erotic city", since it was included as the b-side of "u got the look" and i seem to remember it getting a fair enough bit of play at the time. i'm not sure if it would have gotten as much attention had it been an a-side. | |
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In one of the Prince books (I think it was DMSR?),they say that Prince was planning to tour the US in the fall of '87,but the disappointing sales of the 'SOTT' album made him change his mind.The album reached platinum,but I think Prince might have been expecting a bigger success? He cancelled the tour and decided to release a concert film instead. | |
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