Accujack said:

have you ever listened to igor stravinsky's 'firebird suite'?

stanleylieber said:

yeah, what about it?

Accujack said:

notice anything?

stanleylieber said:

Uhhhm... it samples..Aqua Boogie?

No. What?

Accujack said:

it's the source of a lot of popular music's melodies.

stanleylieber said:

Really? Cool, I didn't know that.
I'll have to take another listen.

I see what you are trying to get at, and I appreciate your take, but I'm just not gonna see it the same way. Maybe, if say Public Enemy were a real band, and sampled sparingly, or played the original compostions themselves, I would be more accepting.
But, that's not the case, and I can't give rap groups or hip-hop producers much praise for directly lifting from other's work and re-packaging it as their own.

It just doesn't work for me.

Accujack said:

i prefer to apply a different test:

how easy would it be to reproduce what the artist in question did?

i love internet debates in which opinion and fact get completely warped beyond comprehension.

Anxiety said:

I love kitty videos!

Accujack said:

Just to clarify... samples used in songs are (rightly so) cleared and paid for, sometimes retroactively and credited to the artist or copyright holder in accordance with the law. Sidestepping this has bankrupted many a group. Paul's Boutique couldn't have been remastered and released as a 20th Anniversary edition if all the papers weren't signed and initialed.

Do you have the 15-track or 16-track Goldnigga? Prince is a real musician, right? Though not a cut-and-paste job on the song Guess Who's Knockin', as an artist, Prince chose to "sample" a snippet of a song and make it his own - no harm, no fowl in my book... except Prince refused to pay for subsequent use and deleted it on the next pressing.

squirrelgrease said:

fucking cheater.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

you can call him a dreamer too

Accujack said:

Prince has used analog samplers since the dawn of his career. All sounds that could have been recreated on traps or with other "real" instruments. He chose not to, and most hold those recordings in high regard.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

If anything he did the right thing by removing the sample.

xlr8r said:

If anything he wouldn't have been doing wrong shit trying to get away with it in the first place And look what a fucking cheap ass he is. He'd rather desecrate his own creation than pay rightfully someone else for using their work

Prince would never have the balls to have a real conversation with someone like me
[Edited 4/14/09 17:10pm]

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

I'm sure that Paul McCartney is missing that six bucks he could have made off of Goldnigga sales.

squirrelgrease said:

That's even worse that Prince couldn't step up off a goddamn happy meal

I really dislike this review. The reviewer's reliance on comparisons to Prince's older music irritates me. Such comparisons could be made with every Prince album now until the end of his career and would make reviews dull and repetitive. Certainly, the reviewer is at liberty to go this route but, despite the objectivity illusion of music journalism, isn't the best approach to music to enjoy it? By this yardstick, the reviewer has chosen a poor path. By making comparisons with earlier work, the reviewer turns listening into a chore and bogs his down his mind with pessimism. I bet the experience would be different if he listened free of such psychological encumberments. This style of review also creates a bias against newer music since the first time any kind of music is encountered is going to count for more than latter iterations.

The whiny, snobbish tone of the review is also annoying, though of course that is my personal reaction. Who is this reviewer to say that Prince is trying to join the elite music club even though he is already a member? How does the reviewer know this? If Prince wasn't making music like this, would this reviewer complain that Prince wasn't taking his place along the greats? No matter what an artist puts out, the kind of mindset embodied by this reviewer creates opportunities for complaining, no matter what music is produced.

xlr8r said:

He removed the whole damn song. Ironically, there are probably more copies of the 16-track album floating around since it became an instant collectable and was handily counterfeited.

my problems with the reviewer's vocabulary isn't that it's overly impressive. my problems with the reviewer's vocabulary is that he thinks it's overly impressive.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

A 'real' conversation?

Would you have a luandry list of things to yell at him about?

And its not a desecration. For you to use these terms is kind of interesting

I don't think youd have the balls to say half the things you say on here to him (at least not with even 1/4 the zeal you do hear). I saw you dancing at Musicology opener lol and you were NOT mad.

gubbins4ever said:

We stopped discussing the review.

squirrelgrease said:

Still, he did the right thing then.

gubbins4ever said:

When Prince's goal is to evoke the old "Controversy" sound, such an approach is totally appropriate.

xlr8r said:

That was before he started in with his bullshit and you obviously don't know me because not only do I have the balls to stand up to Prince and school him on all his bullshit but I would do so with a joyous heart!

Holy shit. Quentin Tarantino is mentoring the American Idol contestants. I think I may have fallen into another dimension.

squirrelgrease said:

This isn't his first time!

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

How are you gonna school Prince? By stating your greivances? He'd laugh at your ass and keep it moving.

And he did your so called desecration of songs before Musicology an all the rest of the stuff your angry about.

Stop fronting.

xlr8r said:

He was becoming amicable to the fanbase and moving away from the madness and for that I was willing to cut him a break. And yeah, I'd state all my and everyone else's grievances and cut through all the bullshit of his fakery. The only reason he'd be movin on and laughing is because he couldn't handle the fucking conversation.

Anyone who wants to orchestrate this without editing tricks and yes men at his side, let me know and bring it on. I'll never be afraid of that conversation. NEVAH!

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Maybe David Lynch will be on next week!