I think that the major problem with these so called critics and reviews is the whole PRINCE "thing" is taken out of context with reality.
I hated ATWIAD,Parade,SOTT because it was not Purple Rain. I hated Lovesexy,Batman,Graffiti Bridge because it was not SOTT. I hated D&P because it was not Lovesexy. The list goes on and on. The curse of Prince is that you cannot enjoy the current album because it does not live up to your vision of what it's "supposed" to sound like. It will compared to something he put out 25 years ago. Hell in 5 years you will come on this site and hear people raving about the genius of Planet Earth or Bart bitching about something that only he cares about. Prince would be better off if he just left the business because he will never make another album that will please everyone. | |
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muleFunk said: Prince would be better off if he just left the business because he will never make another album that will please everyone. Bite your tongue! I could give a fuck if some idiots have N.O. (negativeobsession) issues or some critics don't understand" Prince. Prince: keep funkin/rockin on | |
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berniejobs said: It's a pretty on-point review, but these indie-reviewers need to chill with all the big college words. It's a little overkill with words like "acquiesced", "mawkish", "hubristic", "pontiffs " and "sieve". I mean, most readers are intelligent enough to use context clues to get through an article, but having to keep dictionary.com open in a separate window is a bit annoying. I think it's actually more amateurish to make yourself sound complicated when you can just keep your wording simple. It's not "dumbing it down"... just not "complicating it up".
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guys, these words were not unusual enough that they should trigger your 'holy shit, nobody uses big words like that' reflex.
as someone said, it's high school vocabulary. pitchfork takes music seriously. celibate mushroom canopy. it's time for a new direction / it's time for jazz to die | |
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Nevermind the actual review, the
writer (herself?) displayed the actual pretentious, rambling "dreck". Wow. The internet doesn't so much level the playing field as place it 10 feet below many of us. DREADFULLY VERBOSE. | |
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mrdespues said: Nevermind the actual review, the
writer (herself?) displayed the actual pretentious, rambling "dreck". Wow. The internet doesn't so much level the playing field as place it 10 feet below many of us. DREADFULLY VERBOSE. what does dreck mean it's time for a new direction / it's time for jazz to die | |
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now that i see their 'can't miss cd list' i think they are probably just a bunch of geeks that i went to high school with that thought they knew a lot about music but actually knew very little
they think the big vocabulary is gonna fool some folks | |
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stanleylieber said: mrdespues said: Nevermind the actual review, the
writer (herself?) displayed the actual pretentious, rambling "dreck". Wow. The internet doesn't so much level the playing field as place it 10 feet below many of us. DREADFULLY VERBOSE. what does dreck mean i see what you're trying to do here, but i think you chose the wrong word for an example. all of us who are on a prince fan site know the meaning of the word "dreck" (sic or otherwise). | |
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Anxiety said: stanleylieber said: what does dreck mean i see what you're trying to do here, but i think you chose the wrong word for an example. all of us who are on a prince fan site know the meaning of the word "dreck" (sic or otherwise). it's time for a new direction / it's time for jazz to die | |
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What a pretentious son of a bitch. Reminds me of the people that were in my wife's phD program - the kind of people that love to use big and intellectual-sounding words for no reason other than to make you believe that they're smarter than they actually are. A good writer, and one secure in his own abilities, needs no such nonsense. Nor does he need 50 words to convey what can be said in 25. This is why I hate Pitchfork. GET TO THE POINT!! [Edited 4/13/09 21:35pm] | |
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ChaosDisorder said: What a pretentious son of a bitch. Reminds me of the people that were in my wife's phD program - the kind of people that love to use big and intellectual-sounding words for no reason other than to make you believe that they're smarter than they actually are. A good writer, and one secure in his own abilities, needs no such nonsense. Nor does he need 50 words to convey what can be said in 25. This is why I hate Pitchfork. GET TO THE POINT!!
[Edited 4/13/09 21:35pm] but he didn't use big or pretentious words. i mean, 'sieve'? you guys really had trouble with that one? 'mawkish'? it's time for a new direction / it's time for jazz to die | |
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thumbs down on this interview - this is one of his most thoughtful collections ever released. He really had a plan of attack this time around, and despite the missteps (of which there are only a few, and those aren't nearly enough to do anything but distract temporarily), there's more great material on this album than on his last three albums before it - IMHO. | |
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i think the word is supposed to be pavlovian. | |
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narcotizedmind said: But Pitchfork shows a lot of love for Prince, for instance on their list of 100 best albums of the '80s (all the usual nerdy white-boy suspects):
045: Prince Sign 'O' The Times [Paisley Park/Warner Bros; 1987] Along with The White Album and Exile on Main Street , Sign 'O' The Times is the template for the perfect double album. Take an artist at the peak of his powers, give him the space to work all his crazy ideas to their logical conclusion, and then edit the results into a varied four-sided collection. Club classics ("Hot Thing", "U Got the Look"), ballads of epic rock ("The Cross"), sexy R&B ("Adore"), and flat-out amazing pop songs ("I Could Never Take the Place of Your Man," "If I Was Your Girlfriend") are all here in abundance. Oh yeah, he wrote, played, produced and sang just about everything himself, too. Was he the greatest quadruple threat ever? Listen and decide for yourself. --Mark Richardson 012 Purple Rain [Warner Bros; 1984] Prince was everywhere in 1984. Almost every song on Purple Rain was in steady rotation on radio or MTV at some point (don't remember hearing "Computer Blue" anywhere), and incredibly, they never really got old. What carries Purple Rain over is the unbelievable emotional intensity Prince brings to nearly every song. He never screamed with more intensity than on the end of "The Beautiful Ones", he never wrote another melody as good as "When Doves Cry", and he never integrated his rock leanings into his sound as completely as on "Let's Go Crazy". The great accomplishments of Prince are very great indeed, and this is his greatest. --Mark Richardson 087: Prince Dirty Mind [Warner Bros; 1980] No one ever made the combination of gender ambiguity and panting sexuality seem as right and natural as Prince, an outsider stuck in a mid-sized midwestern city with the balls to sport heavy makeup, thigh-high stockings and bikini briefs while opening for the Rolling Stones. Dirty Mind is the Purple One in stark black and white, as yet untouched by the spiritual heaviness that would color his work as the 80s wore on. At this point, all he wanted was to get down, in both senses of that word. The music is unbelievably lean, with the dry recording and minimal production serving as the perfect foil to the decidedly wet and lush physicality of the subject matter. Catchy electro-pop meets danceable electro-funk, Dirty Mind stands as Prince's first great album. --Mark Richardson [Edited 4/13/09 13:01pm] That's not love...Prince should be at least in the top 3 somewhere...this is ridiculous for a top 100 of the 80s!!! | |
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no offense to younger prince fans but i think he is too young to wax poetic about what prince is doing as compared to what he did in his glory years. 12 when SOTT was released? please if you werent hinking about pussy when controversy was released you dont get it, hell SOTT was his 4th divergence from the true MPLS sound LOL. | |
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Some of you all people need more scrabble in your lives, shoot | |
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Genesia said: squirrelgrease said: You were not kidding. This guy threw out some serious syllables. It was hard to wade through that thick-tongued shit. The best piece of advice I got when starting my writing career was, "Never use a two-syllable word when one syllable will do." Sing it. If prince.org were to be made idiot proof, someone would just invent a better idiot. | |
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narcotizedmind said: murph said: They tend to give love to classic, can't miss albums.... Not much I'd argue with. Not many choices that I'd call indefensible (but always thought REM and Sonic Youth overrated): 100: Minor Threat - Out of Step [Dischord; 1984] 099: Gang of Four - Songs of the Free [Warner Bros; 1982] 098: Cocteau Twins - Treasure [4AD; 1984] 097: Mekons The Mekons - Rock 'N' Roll [A&M; 1989] 096: Rites of Spring - Rites of Spring [Dischord; 1985] 095: Duran Duran - Rio [Capitol; 1982] 094: Meat Puppets - II SST; 1983] 093: David Bowie - Scary Monsters (And Super Creeps) [RCA; 1980] 092: Kate Bush - Hounds of Love [EMI; 1985] 091: X - Los Angeles [Slash; 1980] 090: Jane's Addiction - Nothing's Shocking [Warner Bros; 1988] 089: Boredoms - Soul Discharge [Shimmy-Disc; 1989] 088: Spacemen 3 - Playing with Fire [Fire; 1989] 087: Prince - Dirty Mind [Warner Bros; 1980] 086: The Police - Ghost in the Machine [A&M; 1981] 085: Paul Simon - Graceland [Warner Bros; 1986] 084: ESG - Come Away with ESG [99; 1983] 083: Talk Talk - The Colour of Spring [EMI; 1986] 082: The Fall - Perverted by Language [Rough Trade; 1983] 081: Cocteau Twins - Blue Bell Knoll [4AD; 1988] 080: Hüsker Dü - New Day Rising [SST; 1985] 079: Manuel Göttsching - E2-E4 [Spalax; 1981] 078: They Might Be Giants - Lincoln [Fire; 1989] 077: The Smiths - Strangeways, Here We Come [Sire; 1987] 076: The dB's - Stands for Decibels [IRS; 1981] 075: Boogie Down Productions - Criminal Minded [Sugar Hill; 1987] 074: Mekons - Fear & Whiskey [Sin; 1985] 073: Coil Horse - Rotorvator [Relativity; 1987] 072: Meat Puppets - Up on the Sun [SST; 1985] 071: Replacements - Pleased to Meet Me [Sire; 1987] 070: Elvis Costello - Trust [Columbia; 1981] 069: The Feelies - Crazy Rhythms [A&M; 1980] 068: Talking Heads - Stop Making Sense [Sire; 1984] 067: The Pogues - Rum, Sodomy & The Lash [MCA; 1985] 066: The Dukes of Stratosphear - Psonic Psunspot [Virgin; 1987] 065: The Soft Boys - Underwater Moonlight [Armageddon; 1980] 064: Television Personalities - ... And Don't the Kids Just Love It [Rough Trade; 1981] 063: Young Marble Giants - Colossal Youth [Rough Trade; 1980] 062: R.E.M. - Reckoning [IRS; 1984] 061: Nurse with Wound - Homotopy to Marie [United Dairies; 1982] 060: Bruce Springsteen - Nebraska [Columbia; 1982] 059: Guns N' Roses - Appetite for Destruction [Geffen; 1987] 058: Elvis Costello - Imperial Bedroom [Columbia; 1982] 057: Pixies - Come On Pilgrim [4AD; 1987] 056: King Crimson - Discipline [Warner Bros; 1981] 055: The Police - Synchronicity [A&M; 1983] 054: Big Black - Songs about F---ing [Touch & Go; 1987] 053: Mission of Burma - Signals, Calls & Marches [Ace of Hearts; 1981] 052: Eric B. & Rakim - Paid in Full [4th & Broadway; 1987] 051: Leonard Cohen - I'm Your Man [Columbia; 1988] 050: Spacemen 3 - The Perfect Prescription [Fire; 1987] 049: Mission of Burma - Vs. [Ace of Hearts; 1982] 048: R.E.M. - Document [IRS; 1987] 047: John Zorn - Naked City [Tzadik; 1989] 046: XTC - English Settlement [Virgin; 1982] 045: Prince - Sign 'O' The Times [Paisley Park/Warner Bros; 1987] 044: Kraftwerk - Computer World [Warner Bros; 1981] 043: Run-DMC - Raising Hell [Profile; 1986] 042: Cowboy Junkies - The Trinity Session [RCA; 1988] 041: Beastie Boys - Licensed to Ill [Def Jam; 1986] 040: Dinosaur Jr. - You're Living All Over Me [SST; 1987] 039: The Stone Roses - The Stone Roses [Silvertone; 1989] 038: The Cure - Disintegration [Fiction/Elektra; 1989] 037: The Replacements - Tim [Sire; 1985] 036: Violent Femmes - Violent Femmes [Rough Trade; 1983] 035: N.W.A. - Straight Outta Compton [Ruthless/Priority; 1988] 034: Talk Talk - Spirit of Eden [EMI; 1988] 033: The Fall - Hex Enduction Hour [Kamera; 1982] 032: Hüsker Dü - Zen Arcade [SST; 1984] 031: Sonic Youth - EVOL [SST; 1986] 030: U2 - The Joshua Tree [Island; 1987] 029: The Replacements - Let It Be [Twin/Tone; 1984] 028: New Order - Power, Corruption & Lies [Factory; 1983] 027: Michael Jackson - Thriller [Epic; 1982] 026: Elvis Costello & The Attractions - Get Happy [Columbia; 1980] 025: Black Flag - Damaged [SST; 1981] 024: Gang of Four - Solid Gold [Warner Bros; 1981] 024: Jesus & Mary Chain - Psychocandy [Blanco y Negro/Warner Bros; 1985] 022: My Bloody Valentine - Isn't Anything [Creation/Sire; 1988] 021: Brian Eno & David Byrne - My Life in the Bush of Ghosts [Sire; 1981] 020: This Heat - Deceit [Rough Trade; 1981] 019: Public Image, Ltd. - Second Edition [Virgin; 1980] 018: De La Soul - 3 Feet High and Rising [Tommy Boy; 1989] 017: Minutemen - Double Nickels on the Dime [SST; 1984] 016: Galaxie 500 - On Fire [Rough Trade; 1989] 015: XTC - Skylarking [Virgin; 1986] 014: Sonic Youth - Sister [SST; 1987] 013: The Fall - This Nation's Saving Grace [Beggars Banquet; 1985] 012: Prince & The Revolution - Purple Rain [Warner Bros; 1984] 011: Tom Waits - Swordfishtrombones [Island; 1983] 010: Joy Division - Closer [Factory; 1980] 009: Public Enemy - It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back [Def Jam; 1988] 008: Tom Waits - Rain Dogs [Island; 1985] 007: Pixies - Surfer Rosa [4AD; 1988] 006: The Smiths - The Queen Is Dead [Sire; 1986] 005: R.E.M. - Murmur [IRS; 1983] 004: Pixies - Doolittle [4AD; 1989] 003: Beastie Boys - Paul's Boutique [Capitol; 1989] 002: Talking Heads - Remain in Light [Sire; 1980] 001: Sonic Youth - Daydream Nation [Blast First/Enigma; 1988] Holy shit. I've got most of the albums on that list. If prince.org were to be made idiot proof, someone would just invent a better idiot. | |
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Wall said: Parroted a lot of what I said about the records in my own review. Well written and insightful. And heaven forbid someone use high school level vocabulary when writing a review. I can only imagine the take on a writer using the tools of his trade (ie using words) had this been a positive review. Then everyone would be gushing about how there was an intelligent review that praised the record.
Face it, Lotusflower and Mplsound are average at best and the third disc is a laughable bore. I don't know what high school you went to, but at mine "ain't" was a word. If prince.org were to be made idiot proof, someone would just invent a better idiot. | |
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i can't believe they put the smiths above bowie on their list. i mean, WAY above. without bowie, there would have been no smiths. come on, now. and is nurse with wound THAT influential? ugh, i hate these lists. | |
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Anxiety said: Some of you all people need more scrabble in your lives, shoot
I just had to look up scrabble. It's definitely not what I thought it meant. If prince.org were to be made idiot proof, someone would just invent a better idiot. | |
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BTW... it's not so much that the reviewer used his thesaurus as his go-to, it's just that it was so unnecessarily over-utilized. If prince.org were to be made idiot proof, someone would just invent a better idiot. | |
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Any 'best of' list from the 80's that places Takes A Nation of Millions and Paul's Boutique ahead of Purple Rain has zero credibility.
Neither album has even a smidgen of original music on them. Paul's Boutique: 3rd best album of the 1980's. He is exactly who we thought he was | |
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squirrelgrease said: Anxiety said: Some of you all people need more scrabble in your lives, shoot
I just had to look up scrabble. It's definitely not what I thought it meant. they make scrabble junior too, ya know | |
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Accujack said: Any 'best of' list from the 80's that places Takes A Nation of Millions and Paul's Boutique ahead of Purple Rain has zero credibility (for me at any rate).
Neither album (in my humble opinion) has even a smidgen of original music on them (but there's no accounting for taste is there). Paul's Boutique: 3rd best album of the 1980's. Very reasonable. What you say about taste is so true. | |
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Anxiety said: i see what you're trying to do here, but i think you chose the wrong word for an example. all of us who are on a prince fan site know the meaning of the word "dreck" (sic or otherwise).
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narcotizedmind said: Accujack said: Any 'best of' list from the 80's that places Takes A Nation of Millions and Paul's Boutique ahead of Purple Rain has zero credibility (for me at any rate).
Neither album (in my humble opinion) has even a smidgen of original music on them (but there's no accounting for taste is there). Paul's Boutique: 3rd best album of the 1980's. Very reasonable. What you say about taste is so true. No reason to alter my post. Obviously it was my opinion, as are the majority of posts in this forum. He is exactly who we thought he was | |
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stanleylieber said: ChaosDisorder said: What a pretentious son of a bitch. Reminds me of the people that were in my wife's phD program - the kind of people that love to use big and intellectual-sounding words for no reason other than to make you believe that they're smarter than they actually are. A good writer, and one secure in his own abilities, needs no such nonsense. Nor does he need 50 words to convey what can be said in 25. This is why I hate Pitchfork. GET TO THE POINT!!
[Edited 4/13/09 21:35pm] but he didn't use big or pretentious words. i mean, 'sieve'? you guys really had trouble with that one? 'mawkish'? Sorry, but most people don't talk that way. Sure, I know the words, but I don't need to reach into the thesaurus to convey simple thoughts. And that's what this review is - a simplistic review that many on this board have done many times over, but he throws in about 150-200 extra words (plus some that make him sound more intelligent than your average bear) to make his critique seem more legitimate and enlightened. People with an IQ above 75 can see right through Pitchfork's schtick. So maybe the problem isn't so much the word choices as it is that it's way too verbose for the simple message the author was trying to get across. That's a sign of a bad writer. [Edited 4/14/09 9:49am] [Edited 4/14/09 9:52am] | |
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stanleylieber said: ChaosDisorder said: What a pretentious son of a bitch. Reminds me of the people that were in my wife's phD program - the kind of people that love to use big and intellectual-sounding words for no reason other than to make you believe that they're smarter than they actually are. A good writer, and one secure in his own abilities, needs no such nonsense. Nor does he need 50 words to convey what can be said in 25. This is why I hate Pitchfork. GET TO THE POINT!!
[Edited 4/13/09 21:35pm] but he didn't use big or pretentious words. i mean, 'sieve'? you guys really had trouble with that one? 'mawkish'? Not only did he use pretentious words. He misspelt them, an even greater sin. On the plus side he did use the right words, there's nothing funnier than someone trotting out a long word that doesn't make sense. And if you don;t believe they were pretentious when was the last time you heard the words "hubristic" or "acquiesced" outside of Pirates of the Caribbean? | |
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Anxiety said: i can't believe they put the smiths above bowie on their list. i mean, WAY above. without bowie, there would have been no smiths. come on, now. and is nurse with wound THAT influential? ugh, i hate these lists.
my friend put a "top 100 video games of all time" list on his blog. it generated thousands of hits, with people arguing and cussing each other in the comments. the list was randomly generated each time you loaded the page. it's time for a new direction / it's time for jazz to die | |
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