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Thread started 04/12/09 1:25am

peterv

EW review

How sad is it that a magazine like Entertainment Weekly gives LotusFlow3r a C-?

Well, I would accept them having an opinion (even if I disagree), except for the fact that the person doing the reviewing is obviously unqualified... Why do I say that, you ask? Because she compared the track "4ever" to Funkadelic...

Get a FUNKin’ clue!

BTW... In the previous issue, in their "Bullseye" section, they claimed that the 3-disc set didn't contain enough good songs for even one disc... Whatever...
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Reply #1 posted 04/12/09 1:40am

Dayclear

It's just an opinion. confused
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Reply #2 posted 04/12/09 2:04am

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Edit: here's the review:



Youth may be wasted on the young, but pop-music stardom - long the purview of the footloose and wrinkle-free - now seems poised to overlap with AARP eligibility. Madonna, she of the Timberlake duets and time- defying thighs, remains omnipresent at 50; Michael Jackson, who turns 51 in August, will perform a string of sold-out dates in London into 2010; and now Prince, also nearly 51, has just released a bundled three-disc set (available exclusively at Target stores) to surprisingly vital first-week sales of 168,000 copies.

The man's an icon, and nothing can take away the genius that is Purple Rain (1984) or Sign 'O' the Times (1987), to name only two of his best. Still, it’s hard not to wonder, after listening to this well-padded triad, if the Purple One has run out of juice. It would help to toss Elixer [sic], an entire album written and produced by Prince for protégée Bria Valente; her 10 strenuously generic tracks are pure R&B Ambien, and the lady is no Sheila E. (or Vanity, or Apollonia...). The blessedly Bria-free second act, LOtUSFLOW3R, is less narcoleptic than merely sleepy, including an anemic cover of ''Crimson and Clover'' and a number of decent but largely indistinct midtempo guitar jams (see the drum-drenched ''Boom'' and P-Funked ''4ever''). Third disc MPLSoUND is the strongest of the bunch, though that's faint praise; even standouts like the teasing, breathy ''Chocolate Box'' and the bedroom-ready ''U're Gonna C Me'' feel, at best, like pale lavender imitations of better times. C-

http://www.ew.com/ew/arti...29,00.html




only C- ?

wtf, they can't be serious razz

the LF/Mplsound albums deserve the grade 8/10, (= a B+ maybe ?)

peterv said:

BTW... In the previous issue, in their "Bullseye" section, they claimed that the 3-disc set didn't contain enough good songs for even one disc... Whatever...


THIS would make a very nice 1-CD - imo:

1. Crimson & Clover
2. Boom
3. Colonized Mind
4. 4Ever
5. Feel Better, Feel Good, Feel Wonderful
6. $
7. Dreamer
8. (There'll Never B) Another Like Me
9. Dance 4 Me
10. U're Gonna C Me
11. Valentina
12. Ol' Skool Company

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Reply #3 posted 04/12/09 2:49am

peterv

Dayclear said:

It's just an opinion. confused

Yes... But an "unqualified" one. You (the reviewer) can't make a bogus reference in a comparison and expect to maintain credibility. That was point made in this thread.
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Reply #4 posted 04/12/09 2:53am

calldapplwonde
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peterv said:

Dayclear said:

It's just an opinion. confused

Yes... But an "unqualified" one. You (the reviewer) can't make a bogus reference in a comparison and expect to maintain credibility. That was point made in this thread.



True.
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Reply #5 posted 04/12/09 2:54am

japanrocks

Entertainment Weekly got lucky and actually gave an accurate review. The new 3cd set is a mess and should have been edited down. But the 3cds for the price of one gimmick worked so you gotta hand it to Prince for that tricky one.
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Reply #6 posted 04/12/09 3:18am

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Man, I don't know. I feel like some of MPLSound are at best comparable (quality wise) to b-side that were written around the "1999" era. Only I liked "How Come U Don't Call Me Anymore", "Irresistible Bitch" and "Horny Toad" better.
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Reply #7 posted 04/12/09 5:24am

Se7en

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Most reviews completely pan Bria's CD, and I think some of that negativity spreads to the other CDs.
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Reply #8 posted 04/12/09 5:28am

Genesia

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Summing up the review in one sentence...

"Prince is old, therefore he is incapable of putting out a good album. C- "

Bullshit.
We don’t mourn artists because we knew them. We mourn them because they helped us know ourselves.
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Reply #9 posted 04/12/09 6:41am

Tame

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I don't think a lot of these reviews are based on really listening to the record to tell you the truth. I think they are ear scanned and listened to one time only, which in my opinion is not enough time to really know what U are saying.
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Reply #10 posted 04/12/09 6:45am

OperatingTheta
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These kind of negative reviews always seem to circulate when Prince does not work with the record industry.

'Musicology', '3121' in particular, garnered many positive reviews but 'Lotusflower' IMO is in many ways superior.
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Reply #11 posted 04/12/09 6:57am

aalloca

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Hi,

The review is not that far off, yes a few dumb non-music related stupid comments, but as a 20yr plus fan, I would generally agree with the review.

I do think it comes in more like a C+ to B-. I have not yet listened to the Bria tracks, but have the 2 Prince based discs for 2 wks straight. Would/Could have been a B to B+ one cd set.

This is nothing new, he sometimes puts too much out (emancipation) while us critics wish he unearthed a deeper track from the vault, or cut it to one cd of stronger material

Overall not a bad release, but from the sales not exactly bringing him back to 84/85 fan status, which is ok with me.

My key to enjoying Prince these days is to treat the albums less like albums and more like compilations. This way I can pick the 3 songs for each album that I really dig, and return to those, instead of getting upset everytime Valentina comes on. Sorry guys, just don't dig it, ala poom poom.

On a positive note, the setlists from the LA 3 show are fantastic, and I can't wait to see him live.
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Reply #12 posted 04/12/09 10:41am

mzsadii

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See that's why Prince makes music he likes and for fans who will always find the parts they like.
Prince's Sarah
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Reply #13 posted 04/12/09 11:22am

peterv

Tame said:

I don't think a lot of these reviews are based on really listening to the record to tell you the truth. I think they are ear scanned and listened to one time only, which in my opinion is not enough time to really know what U are saying.
cool

That's exactly right, and they should be. I mean, do your job or stop wasting my time...

For the record, I'm not claiming this set to be brilliant. I do think that there is some really, quality stuff here; more than enough to make a very, very solid single disc (unlike the Bullsh…, err, I mean Bullseye section in the previous week’s issue). Of course, fans will make the level of quality presented here seem inconsistent, because it is, and will always be so subjective to personal taste.

Still, “this thread” is about objectivity in a review. The reviewer doesn’t have to like the CD, but to mis-compare songs like that is unforgivable. I mean, this is a top entertainment magazine. You MUST do better than that if you want to be taken seriously…

Also, to lump Bria's set in with Prince's is a cheap and easy excuse to diminish his work. And to even have JT's name in the same review is juvenile... Remember the Super Bowl? P. already handled that guy… literally. And in front of the whole, wide world.
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Reply #14 posted 04/12/09 3:42pm

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There was a time when there were a hand full of respected music critics that on their recommendation I would fork out my allowance when i was a kid or my measly young adult paycheck on.

Robert Hilburn of the LA Times who is now retired, and Kurt Loder to name a few, they were not great writers, but had great taste in music.

Now we have almost anonymous critics who seem not to even know basic facts about the artist they are writing about.

Can anybody cite a good music critic right now? one whose positive critique will inspire you to go out and buy a record?
If you do turn me on to them because I keep bumping in these kind of reviewers.
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Reply #15 posted 04/12/09 5:37pm

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if you're picking up entertainment weekly for your critical reading you have bigger problems than amateurish reviewers simply doing their jobs and writing what's expected of them. on the other hand, i'm not aware of any source of good critical writing on mainstream pop. the whole thing is a mug's game. pop music is not a platform for serious art. it can only be seen as an extreme fluke that an artist like prince made headway in the industry to begin with. prince continues to keep playing the game so if he doesn't do what it takes to earn/buy positive reviews then he can only be seen as failing at that particular aspect of the game.

entertainment weekly used to mention prince in almost every issue, back when he was on wb records (ew is owned by the same parent company). they started dropping little digs at him into the magazine back around the time of the 'o(+>' album and the negotiations/arguments about princes so-called '$108 million' deal.
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Reply #16 posted 04/12/09 6:24pm

Ugot2shakesumt
hin

stanleylieber said:

if you're picking up entertainment weekly for your critical reading you have bigger problems than amateurish reviewers simply doing their jobs and writing what's expected of them. on the other hand, i'm not aware of any source of good critical writing on mainstream pop. the whole thing is a mug's game. pop music is not a platform for serious art. it can only be seen as an extreme fluke that an artist like prince made headway in the industry to begin with. prince continues to keep playing the game so if he doesn't do what it takes to earn/buy positive reviews then he can only be seen as failing at that particular aspect of the game.

entertainment weekly used to mention prince in almost every issue, back when he was on wb records (ew is owned by the same parent company). they started dropping little digs at him into the magazine back around the time of the 'o(+>' album and the negotiations/arguments about princes so-called '$108 million' deal.



falloff
good god get a grip!
One usually picks up "Entertainment Weekly" for Entertainment news and reviews. Hence'' "Entertainment" on it's title.
I would imagine a magazine dedicated pop arts to at least do a serviceable job.
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Reply #18 posted 04/12/09 6:27pm

stanleylieber

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why would one expect that? it's crap about crap.

i say this as a former subscriber. biggrin
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Reply #19 posted 04/12/09 6:28pm

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That's a pretty much spot on review actually.

After listening to it for a week or so, I haven't really listened to much of it at all, and I suspect that the majority of the songs will not enter my frequently played playlists.

I think that Prince as a recording artist is pretty much over. He doesn't have anything original or innovative to say, and he (or his ego) isn't willing to challenge himself to create anything of substance anymore.

That said, I'll be first in line to see him when he plays live.
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Reply #20 posted 04/12/09 6:30pm

Ugot2shakesumt
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stanleylieber said:

why would one expect that? it's crap about crap.

i say this as a former subscriber. biggrin


are you kidding me, did you not read this weeks cover story on "Fast & Furious"
razz
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Reply #21 posted 04/12/09 6:31pm

peterv

stanleylieber said:

if you're picking up entertainment weekly for your critical reading you have bigger problems than amateurish reviewers simply doing their jobs and writing what's expected of them. on the other hand, i'm not aware of any source of good critical writing on mainstream pop. the whole thing is a mug's game. pop music is not a platform for serious art. it can only be seen as an extreme fluke that an artist like prince made headway in the industry to begin with. prince continues to keep playing the game so if he doesn't do what it takes to earn/buy positive reviews then he can only be seen as failing at that particular aspect of the game.

entertainment weekly used to mention prince in almost every issue, back when he was on wb records (ew is owned by the same parent company). they started dropping little digs at him into the magazine back around the time of the 'o(+>' album and the negotiations/arguments about princes so-called '$108 million' deal.
I'm gonna let that you off the hook, let that one slide, and not take it personal. After all, this supposed to be an objective discussion...

BTW... No one said that EW was supposed to be all that; it is what it is. Still they have done some positive pieces on P. in the new millennium, as well as a few thought out critiques. They even did a very nice cover story in '04. Hmmm.
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Reply #22 posted 04/12/09 7:19pm

peterv

BTW... I didn't start this thread because some magazine posted a negative review about Prince. If someone has a case, and makes it, then cool… However, I am also of the opinion that if one is gonna go up against someone who is of the caliber of Prince, then they best get their facts straight. Period.
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Reply #23 posted 04/12/09 7:24pm

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EW is a lame magazine with soundbyte reviews, they cant even rate tv and movies properly. Sure its all opinions, but we all know alot of people read them and take them as Gospel and quote reviews, so opinions they may be, but i think people who write them should have some credentials. Just the fact that the review pulls out PR and SOT just like every other review, it has no meaning

"We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F
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Reply #24 posted 04/12/09 7:27pm

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Se7en said:

Most reviews completely pan Bria's CD, and I think some of that negativity spreads to the other CDs.


i think the folks giving the reviews aren't even being fair to her cd either, they compare her to his past women most of the time, and i find it annoys me... lol
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Reply #25 posted 04/12/09 7:35pm

Ugot2shakesumt
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EW wasnt always this bad was it?
Tt looks like its only a matter of time before it turns itself into direct print copy of cable channel E,
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Reply #26 posted 04/12/09 7:41pm

moviemaster

Ok, C- is a little bit too harsh.

I would go for a C+/B- rating. (It is not B+, guys, get real)

It has too many filler songs (What is 77 Beverly Park doing in this album, for example)

It could have been a solid B+/A- album if it was a single album with songs mostly from MPLSound (anything but the ballads) and 3,4 songs from Lotusflow3r (Colonized Mind, Crimson & Clover, Dreamer etc.).

Bria's album is a nice B- album in my opinion.

Anyways, let's see if he releases anything more in the website
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Reply #27 posted 04/12/09 7:48pm

Ugot2shakesumt
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I still think im in one othe those Twilight Zone episodes when critics prefer MNPLSOUND, like the one when the pig-faced folks want pig-face the pretty girl.
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Reply #28 posted 04/12/09 8:31pm

Sdldawn

C- minus seems like i would imagine how a non fan would view this album. I don't believe it's a C.. but if I wasn't a fan, this would be junk.
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Reply #29 posted 04/12/09 10:59pm

ernestsewell

I'd give it a B- at best.

And opinions = asshole. Everyone has one, and they all stink. Move on.
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