Why arent japanese, russian, indian or aboriginal people upset that Prince doesnt have one of their kind in his bands, or date them?

What connects black and white people? Is there any historical connection?

PEJ said:

I was being fecicious (read the end of that sentence, I said it was silly). Many rock bands have worked with black musicians. Basically trying to point out that no one has thread calling rock bands racist because they may not have a black bassist. I don't care who has what in their band, just as long as the music is good. Why worry about doing a color count in the first place.
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leafar said:

Actually I am pretty upset he does not have an Indian dancer in his band... !!! She'd probably teach him a thing or two about the Kama Sutra an make him forget Jehovah .

nurseV said:

well didnt he intentionally make his bands interracial because he was copying sly stone so to say it doesnt matter is entirely true

It's like that famous photo of Bigfoot... but IN FACT Prince has had a white bass player. Truth be told, Eric Leeds is really white.



So there.

pplrain said:

you go girl!!

I never said you did.

Also, don't blame me for the one drop rule, I didn't write it. When America gets rid of racist attitudes, which I doubt that happens anytime soon, then race won't ever be questioned, and just to note, racist attitudes goes beyond the U.S. as well. Secondly, you, me or anyone else on this site or outside of it, don't have the power to tell Prince who he can or cannot date, as none of us know him personally. Only he can define himself and decide who he wants to date, which is none of our business anyway.
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It's like that famous photo of Bigfoot... but IN FACT Prince has had a white bass player. Truth be told, Eric Leeds is really white.



So there.

He has never had a White Bass Player?
Why is that?

stanleylieber said:

Why would white folks feel uncomfortable about a musician who is black just because he is a light-skinned Black male? Would they treat him any differently if he was darker? He has two parents that were African-American, don't let the complexion fool you. There is not one African-American born in the U.S. that doesn't have mixed ancestry, and I think that is what most people forget and try to divide us by complexion. Don Cheadle is 13% Caucasian, don't know what ethnicity, but a dna test confirmed on television proved that by Prof., Henry Louis Gates. Even Don was surprised, and look how dark Don Cheadle is? So you can't let complexion fool you.

If apartheid was legal in this country, I would be taken away from two of my siblings and nieces based on skin color, especially my nieces since they are Prince's complexion and often mistaken for having bi-racial parents.

If Prince was Al Green's complexion, you would never see conversations about how black he is turning up on these forums.
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2elijah said:

Just because hundreds of 'people who are black identified or you identify as black' look like Prince doesn't mean they are not mixed. Mixed heritage means just that, that his ancestral line consists of different ethnic groups.

The person isn't sayin Prince is biracial(of 2 different ethnic/racial lines)
Prince's mother almost looks white herself, so you can't cross that out as just black or just like other black americans.
I don't think if prince & wesley snipes were standing together that we can just say 'they are the same'
there are 'black identified' people who could pass for white, native american or asian (ever seen Kimora Lee Simons?)
What this is about is the One Drop Rule (1 drop of negro/black/slave blood makes you black) it's a very racist idea made 2 keep white in line as well as swell the number of slavery chatel. Many places in the Slave states had it that a person that was 1/50% (negro/white) was still negro

Mixed people are mixed people and all black-americans aren't mixed (visually or ancestrially)
Both of my grandfathers (paternal & maternal) are biracial and not only where they lived were they marked mulatto but their children(my parents).

2elijah said:

actually don was 19% i think just thought i would point it out

steelyd said:

I knew you were being facicious. I was being silly.

candy2277 said:

He's of mixed heritage, isn't he free to do whatever the hell he wants though?

I don't see why he has to date only black women or only have black women in his videos.

Beauty is indeed in the eye of the beholder.
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in terms of race, prince has never been able to get a break from anyone. black people have always criticized him for being to white, and white people have always been uneasy with the fact that he's part black. (obviously, i'm making generalizations here.) it's got to be frustrating.

worst thread

Prince is not racist

Wendy, Lisa, Sheila, Eric Leeds, Madonna, Kim Basinger, Tommy B. and more r white... He just didn't find the best white bassist...

OldFriends4Sale said:

Okay now I did not want to make this a P&R issue but you asked for it, and this is going to be a long one.

First of all, you sound so ridiculous and you don't know what you are talking about. Whether you want to believe it or not, the majority of Black Americans, especially in the U.S. and the Caribbean are of mixed ancestry. Do not let the darker hue of Black Americans or those born outside of America fool you. I already gave facts on certain individuals who were tested and it was found they were of African/Caucasian or African/Native or all 3. Most Blacks from the Caribbean have all 3 ancestries, even some Asian ancestry.

Of course, visually, you cannot just look at someone and assume "facts" about their ancestry only what you have been "conditioned" to think of them. When I state Black American that is anyone with a connection to ancestors of African ancestry. Doesn't mean "slave" equals "African".

If you know anything about African history you will know that those Africans that were actually captured by the Europeans, had a family, culture, history, many languages, came from many ethnic groups, before they were taken off to the U.S at the time and the various islands throughout the Caribbean to work as slaves.

First of all to even state that all black americans are not mixed, are you kidding me? You need to do some homework. Do not be fooled by the light or dark hue of any individual who has African ancestors, whether that descendant has light of dark skin. Unless you are 100% Black African, born on an African continent with no mixture from any other race, then you are African from an African ethnic group or if you immigrated here from Africa, with no mixture of another race, then you are African. When one refers to themselves as Black or African-American it's not the end of the world for crying out loud, but some here sure seem to think it is.

If you are a "descendant: of any of the groups of Africans that were taken to the U.S. or the Caribbean, 9 out 10, you are of mixed ancestry, moreso because of the rapings, mixed relationships that took place during slavery between the and generations later. Unless you can prove to me that the African women that were captured and forced into slavery, only had children by another African male, generation after generation to date with no mixture from any other race. Unless you can prove to me that all the mixed babies at that time did not come from African women who were either raped, had a relation with a European or Native, because the various complexions of Black Americans I see walking around this nation would prove you wrong. Of course one cannot tell by looking at individuals what their exact ancestry consists of, because society has been conditioned to believe that only those with dark skin is of Black African ancestry and not mixed or that an individual with "light" skin are the only ones that can be of mixed ancestry.

Take your blinders off. You give the example of Wesley Snipes standing next to Prince and if one not notice the difference in complexion, and not be able to tell if Prince has mixed ancestry? Why wouldn't you question Wesley's ancestry? Is it because of the dark hue of his skin? It would be very ignorant of you to suggest or assume that because of the dark hue of Wesley's skin that he couldn't possibly be of "mixed" ancestry. Whether he is or not doesn't mean he's denying he is Black or ashamed of it.

Show and prove to me any Black American, who is 100% Black African ancestry in this country? Unless that individual was born in Africa with no mixture whatsoever from another race, then that individual you identify as "Black" is not 100% African. Even if that 100% Black African immigrated to the U.S. and did not mix with another race, then that individual is still 100% Black African, regardless of what African ethnic group/tribe he is from.

I already gave an example in another post, regarding this same situation with Don Cheadle being of a darker complexion. But it wouldn't even cross your mind that Don is of mixed ancestry would it, because most have been "conditioned" by society to think that anyone with dark skin identified as African/Black American in appearance, couldn't possibly be of mixed ancestry now could they?

Yet with Prince you automatically mention his light skin and "assumed". he is of mixed ancestry without hesitation compared to your Wesley Snipes example. As I mentioned in my other post, Don Cheadle had his DNA tested and it the results announced publically that Don Cheadle is 19% Caucasian or of European descent, (Don's % percentage corrected thanks to orger cdcgold) but you would not assume that would you? Of course you wouldn't. I'll give you another example. Professor Henry Louis Gates, is 50% caucasian or of European descent. Tom Joynor, who is basically Prince's complexion, who had his DNA tested, and is much lighter in skin color than Prof. Gates, is only somewhere in the range of 30% Caucasian or of European descent. If you took Prof Gates and stood him next to Tom Joyner, and the question was asked who has more "Caucasian/European ancestry Tom or Prof. Gates? I guarantee you that the majority asked would pick Tom Joynor because of the "fair" complexion of his skin, but yet they would get the answer wrong, because Prof. Gates who is darker complected, (brown-skinned) has more Caucasian/European ancestry than Tom. So now should Prof. Gates and Tom Joyner not refer no longer refer to themselves as Black or African-American because of these findings? I doubt if they would at this stage.

So please know what you're talking about before you post your nonsense to me. Fact is, the majority of Black Americans in this country are of mixed ancestry. Doesn't mean they are denying their African-ancestry. Most Black Americans I know, don't seem to have any problem referring to themselves as "Black Americans", as it is individual choice, and it usually seems it's non-blacks or some blacks that have a problem with the terms "Black" or "African" as an identifier of oneself, but that's not my problem. I certainly have no problem or shame, identifying as Black or African-American despite my family history. Why should I? Embracing all that one is sets your soul free.

So before you come after me with your bullsh*t, know what the hell you're talking about.
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stanleylieber said:

I am sorry, but I cannot believe that people still think that Prince is "part black." Prince is black. He has two black parents. Prince's racial heritage is no different than millions of blacks in this country. It is similar to my own. Both of my parents are black. However, their parents have mixed parentage. I still consider myself and Prince black. His light skin and features do not change the fact that he is black. Vanessa Williams has light skin and eyes, but she is just like Prince with two black parents. Therefore, she is considered black like millions of us. Just because a white woman played his mother in PR and he danced around the race issue to crossover to white audiences in the 1980s, it does not change the fact that mama and daddy Nelson were black, which makes baby boy Nelson black as well.

Also, there are many blacks who have never accused Prince of being too white. There are those out there who have done so in the past, especially in the 1980s during the PR/ATWIAD/Parade era when he seemed to be engratiating himself to whiter/mainstream audiences. However, many blacks see Prince as a black man who can rock just as hard as he can funk or croon a soulful ballad.
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stanleylieber said:

I am sorry, but I cannot believe that people still think that Prince is "part black." Prince is black. He has two black parents. Prince's racial heritage is no different than millions of blacks in this country. It is similar to my own. Both of my parents are black. However, their parents have mixed parentage. I still consider myself and Prince black. His light skin and features do not change the fact that he is black. Vanessa Williams has light skin and eyes, but she is just like Prince with two black parents. Therefore, she is considered black like millions of us. Just because a white woman played his mother in PR and he danced around the race issue to crossover to white audiences in the 1980s, it does not change the fact that mama and daddy Nelson were black, which makes baby boy Nelson black as well.

Also, there are many blacks who have never accused Prince of being too white. There are those out there who have done so in the past, especially in the 1980s during the PR/ATWIAD/Parade era when he seemed to be engratiating himself to whiter/mainstream audiences. However, many blacks see Prince as a black man who can rock just as hard as he can funk or croon a soulful ballad.
[Edited 4/10/09 14:51pm]

If he was a racist, then he wouldn't employ white band members of any kind.