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PrintableMarrk said:[quote]Prince simply isn't as popular as most folks on here think he is (or wish he was)
quote] . PRINCE RELEASES AN ALBUM (0R THREE ) EVERY YEAR , HAS NO RECORD LABEL AND YOU DONT KNOW WHAT THE MUSIC IS GOING TO SOUND LIKE BEFOREHAND (UNLIKE AC/DC OR THE EAGLES )...BUT I WOULD BET THAT PRINCE HAS SOLD MORE ALBUMS THAN BOTH OF THOSE ARTISTS WORLDWIDE.... | |
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blackbob said:[quote] Marrk said: Prince simply isn't as popular as most folks on here think he is (or wish he was)
quote] . PRINCE RELEASES AN ALBUM (0R THREE ) EVERY YEAR , HAS NO RECORD LABEL AND YOU DONT KNOW WHAT THE MUSIC IS GOING TO SOUND LIKE BEFOREHAND (UNLIKE AC/DC OR THE EAGLES )...BUT I WOULD BET THAT PRINCE HAS SOLD MORE ALBUMS THAN BOTH OF THOSE ARTISTS WORLDWIDE.... I'm sure he's sold more than AC/DC. Not sure about the Eagles. Hotel California and their Greatest Hits package was ranked amongst the biggest selling albums of all time. Not sure what the rank was, though. **--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••-
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tc012009 said: Chinese Democracy sold 537,000 copied which isn't bad considering it was leaked five months before its release. Also Axl did very little to promote the album.
It's actually a shame that it didn't do better as there are some good tracks on the album (although its a pale shadow of Appetite for Destruction). In reality, it was leaked repeatedly over the years. Those songs, in some order or the other, were leaked for years. | |
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purplecam said: From what I heard, Axl didn't want to promote the CD. That certainly hurt sales. At least Prince did Leno for 3 days a couple of weeks ago.
Which is why he worked with Dr. Pepper, and endorsed their giving everyone a free soda...and THAT backfired big time. I never got mine. By the time everyone heard about the site was closed. People got ripped two ways. | |
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Sorry 2 say peeps but the reason those artists did so much more in terms of numbers, its because they always have, youre talking about AcDc who has an album that sold close to 30 million copies and Eagles who have what some dispute, the biggest selling album ever. And both of these artists have way bigger followings than Prince, Prince has a much more loyal/but small following compared to the wider range of Acdc, and obviously the Eagles who have never had trouble with selling anything, anywhere. So it didnt really matter WHERE Prince put this cd on sale, i knew and said it for weeks that overall the cd would move 250-300,000 all together, he has been pretty consistent with those numbers through the years, and like i said on this forum COUNTLESS times, if you take away Purple Rain and 1999 and a few other albums, prince has rarely been more than a gold album artist, which is nothing to cry over, its longevity and consistency that is important. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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blackbob said:[quote] Marrk said: Prince simply isn't as popular as most folks on here think he is (or wish he was)
quote] . PRINCE RELEASES AN ALBUM (0R THREE ) EVERY YEAR , HAS NO RECORD LABEL AND YOU DONT KNOW WHAT THE MUSIC IS GOING TO SOUND LIKE BEFOREHAND (UNLIKE AC/DC OR THE EAGLES )...BUT I WOULD BET THAT PRINCE HAS SOLD MORE ALBUMS THAN BOTH OF THOSE ARTISTS WORLDWIDE.... How much you wanna bet? http://en.wikipedia.org/w...ic_artists As lastdecember just said, aside from a few albums, Prince has been nothing but a gold artist. He doesn't have the mass appeal the Eagles or AC/DC has. When those two bands came out with their albums, everyone knew about it. When Lotusflow3r came out, the only people i knew who knew about it were the people on the org  He's just not as popular as you guys think...but who cares? | |
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MajesticOne89 said:[quote] blackbob said: Marrk said: Prince simply isn't as popular as most folks on here think he is (or wish he was)
quote] . PRINCE RELEASES AN ALBUM (0R THREE ) EVERY YEAR , HAS NO RECORD LABEL AND YOU DONT KNOW WHAT THE MUSIC IS GOING TO SOUND LIKE BEFOREHAND (UNLIKE AC/DC OR THE EAGLES )...BUT I WOULD BET THAT PRINCE HAS SOLD MORE ALBUMS THAN BOTH OF THOSE ARTISTS WORLDWIDE.... How much you wanna bet? http://en.wikipedia.org/w...ic_artists As lastdecember just said, aside from a few albums, Prince has been nothing but a gold artist. He doesn't have the mass appeal the Eagles or AC/DC has. When those two bands came out with their albums, everyone knew about it. When Lotusflow3r came out, the only people i knew who knew about it were the people on the org He's just not as popular as you guys think...but who cares?Are there 500,000 people on the org? **--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••-
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Let Springsteen sell his album there, WalMart is pure evil. | |
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daPrettyman said: MajesticOne89 said: How much you wanna bet? http://en.wikipedia.org/w...ic_artists As lastdecember just said, aside from a few albums, Prince has been nothing but a gold artist. He doesn't have the mass appeal the Eagles or AC/DC has. When those two bands came out with their albums, everyone knew about it. When Lotusflow3r came out, the only people i knew who knew about it were the people on the org He's just not as popular as you guys think...but who cares?Are there 500,000 people on the org? i don't kno...are you trying to make a point with that question? | |
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MajesticOne89 said: daPrettyman said: Are there 500,000 people on the org? i don't kno...are you trying to make a point with that question? You said only the people on the org knew about his new projects. He generally sells between 300,000 and 500,000 copies of an album. Are there that many people on the org? My thing is that Prince does have his LOYAL fanbase. That is those of us who rushed out to buy TRC and join the NPGMC. After 2004, Prince became cool again. It has only been since then that the masses have started to really purchase his music. Even those who don't access the web or sites like these claim to be "big" fans and will buy the album. Fact is that a lot of people knew about LotusFlow3r before it's release. Maybe not a HUGE section of the population, but a lot did. Many of those people get the Sunday paper and found out about the project. Not to mention the press he's gotten about the parties, appearances, and TMZ shots. Those all helped get the message out there that Prince has a new project. **--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••-
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daPrettyman said: MajesticOne89 said: i don't kno...are you trying to make a point with that question? You said only the people on the org knew about his new projects. He generally sells between 300,000 and 500,000 copies of an album. Are there that many people on the org? My thing is that Prince does have his LOYAL fanbase. That is those of us who rushed out to buy TRC and join the NPGMC. After 2004, Prince became cool again. It has only been since then that the masses have started to really purchase his music. Even those who don't access the web or sites like these claim to be "big" fans and will buy the album. Fact is that a lot of people knew about LotusFlow3r before it's release. Maybe not a HUGE section of the population, but a lot did. Many of those people get the Sunday paper and found out about the project. Not to mention the press he's gotten about the parties, appearances, and TMZ shots. Those all helped get the message out there that Prince has a new project. I don't seem to understand where you get that i think only orgers bought the album. I said the only people i know were orgers. Not the only people who knew about the project in general. And when I said the only people i knew who knew about the album where orgers, i meant it as comparing to the popularity of the eagles and ac/dc. Now me being 19 could be a major factor to it because not many young people are hardcore into Prince like me. I know he has a loyal fanbase, and a good amount of people probably knew about the album, but I'm sure that number is small in comparison to the awareness of the eagles and ac/dc albums; and that in combination with their more mass appeal than prince's is why they sold more which is what this thread is about. | |
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MajesticOne89 said: daPrettyman said: You said only the people on the org knew about his new projects. He generally sells between 300,000 and 500,000 copies of an album. Are there that many people on the org? My thing is that Prince does have his LOYAL fanbase. That is those of us who rushed out to buy TRC and join the NPGMC. After 2004, Prince became cool again. It has only been since then that the masses have started to really purchase his music. Even those who don't access the web or sites like these claim to be "big" fans and will buy the album. Fact is that a lot of people knew about LotusFlow3r before it's release. Maybe not a HUGE section of the population, but a lot did. Many of those people get the Sunday paper and found out about the project. Not to mention the press he's gotten about the parties, appearances, and TMZ shots. Those all helped get the message out there that Prince has a new project. I don't seem to understand where you get that i think only orgers bought the album. I said the only people i know were orgers. Not the only people who knew about the project in general. And when I said the only people i knew who knew about the album where orgers, i meant it as comparing to the popularity of the eagles and ac/dc. Now me being 19 could be a major factor to it because not many young people are hardcore into Prince like me. I know he has a loyal fanbase, and a good amount of people probably knew about the album, but I'm sure that number is small in comparison to the awareness of the eagles and ac/dc albums; and that in combination with their more mass appeal than prince's is why they sold more which is what this thread is about.  **--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••-
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Rogue588 said: Everyone is getting their panties in a bunch over 20,000 "uncounted" copies of the album. However, when it was first announced that he was going "exclusive" with Target, I thought he might've made a mistake. After seeing the final first week sales of Lotusflow3r, I definitely believe that.
Lemme 'splain... the Eagles' "Long Road Out Of Eden" (a Wal*Mart exclusive) sold 711k the first week of release (and is also the reason Billboard is now counting retailer "exclusive" releases). AC/DC's "Black Ice" (another Wal*Mart exclusive) sold 1.5+ million during its first week. I'm not implying anything to do with the quality of music, though there are some that might. There might also be some fams who will use the "recession" as a reason for the difference in sales, but I think the $77 Lotusflow3r.com fee shows that that wasn't an issue either. I believe that in-store promotion might've been an issue too. Since AC/DC and the Eagles both had entire AREAS of the store devoted to them. And NOT just the current release, but previous releases with signage and everything - not merely an endcap with a hanging mobile and a floormat. Though, I will admit that Target has been playing the hell outta the commercial (well, not on Youtube, that is...), but I think Wal*Mart might've been the better retailer. Thoughts? Hmmm... Okay, let's look at it this way...Yeah, I think you bring up a great point about Prince not having a bigger area featuring not just his latest offering, but his past catalogue...But I think this is where a dose of reality is needed... 1: Given Prince's strained relationship with Warner Bros., we all know that it's next to impossible for dude to make such a deal to promote his past prime work in such a fashion...Even as the Eagles and ACDC have moved on to other distributors (the big store deals), they never waged a Holy war against their old label...So yeah, both groups would be okay with Hotel California and Highway To Hell being promoted next to their new releases.... 2. You can't compare Lotus' end results with The Eagles and ACDC's projects. Why? Because... A) both of those groups have Classic Rock Radio on their side, a faction that happens to be the last of the CONSISTENT record buying block along with country music fans....And... B) The Eagles' last released studio album came out in 1978-79...So, the release of their album was seen as a huge deal by the press and older music fans...ACDC's last release of new music was 2000...and it helped that they were front and center with the Rock Band video game phenomenon, something I feel Prince should have done a long time ago... For Prince on the other hand, no one in the press thought he was going to sell that many albums with Lotus, much less sell over 90, 000 copies...He had already released three to four albums since 2004...So, no one was clamoring for a new Prince album except the loyalists... That's why Prince's latest numbers are being judged as a huge success by the music press and even some in the music industry.... It's an uneven comparison... [Edited 4/9/09 21:23pm] | |
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Rogue588 said: tc012009 said: The large timespan between their last albums and their huge fanbase has to be a factor to the sucess of their wal*matr exclusives.
And the reason Guns 'N Roses' "Chinese Democracy" failed would be...? Easy....It wasn't viewed as a "real" Guns & Roses album... [Edited 4/9/09 21:17pm] | |
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Definitely, Prince's album would have sold more at Walmart. They have more stores. Still, Prince should have made the album available on iTunes and Amazon for those who are not close to a Target. "Just like the sun, the Rainbow Children rise."
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MajesticOne89 said:[quote] blackbob said: Marrk said: Prince simply isn't as popular as most folks on here think he is (or wish he was)
quote] . PRINCE RELEASES AN ALBUM (0R THREE ) EVERY YEAR , HAS NO RECORD LABEL AND YOU DONT KNOW WHAT THE MUSIC IS GOING TO SOUND LIKE BEFOREHAND (UNLIKE AC/DC OR THE EAGLES )...BUT I WOULD BET THAT PRINCE HAS SOLD MORE ALBUMS THAN BOTH OF THOSE ARTISTS WORLDWIDE.... How much you wanna bet? http://en.wikipedia.org/w...ic_artists As lastdecember just said, aside from a few albums, Prince has been nothing but a gold artist. He doesn't have the mass appeal the Eagles or AC/DC has. When those two bands came out with their albums, everyone knew about it. When Lotusflow3r came out, the only people i knew who knew about it were the people on the org He's just not as popular as you guys think...but who cares?. . those figures are just estimates... prince has been the biggest selling act in the world (1984) he has also been to the other end..indie act selling less than 200,000 copies ...rainbow children (2001) and now he does whatever and is selling around 1 to 2 million per album worldwide ...my point is that you KNOW what an ac/dc album and an eagles album are going to sound like... . you dont know what a prince album is going to be ...and thats a big part of the his appeal to me and to lots of people...dont get me wrong...i like some ac/dc and eagles music.....but i would NEVER buy an album of theirs because it would bore the arse off me knowing that i would know what the next track is going to sound like... mass appeal artists (with the odd exception ) are safe and boring ...like most people you meet  | |
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murph said: Rogue588 said: Everyone is getting their panties in a bunch over 20,000 "uncounted" copies of the album. However, when it was first announced that he was going "exclusive" with Target, I thought he might've made a mistake. After seeing the final first week sales of Lotusflow3r, I definitely believe that.
Lemme 'splain... the Eagles' "Long Road Out Of Eden" (a Wal*Mart exclusive) sold 711k the first week of release (and is also the reason Billboard is now counting retailer "exclusive" releases). AC/DC's "Black Ice" (another Wal*Mart exclusive) sold 1.5+ million during its first week. I'm not implying anything to do with the quality of music, though there are some that might. There might also be some fams who will use the "recession" as a reason for the difference in sales, but I think the $77 Lotusflow3r.com fee shows that that wasn't an issue either. I believe that in-store promotion might've been an issue too. Since AC/DC and the Eagles both had entire AREAS of the store devoted to them. And NOT just the current release, but previous releases with signage and everything - not merely an endcap with a hanging mobile and a floormat. Though, I will admit that Target has been playing the hell outta the commercial (well, not on Youtube, that is...), but I think Wal*Mart might've been the better retailer. Thoughts? Hmmm... Okay, let's look at it this way...Yeah, I think you bring up a great point about Prince not having a bigger area featuring not just his latest offering, but his past catalogue...But I think this is where a dose of reality is needed... 1: Given Prince's strained relationship with Warner Bros., we all know that it's next to impossible for dude to make such a deal to promote his past prime work in such a fashion...Even as the Eagles and ACDC have moved on to other distributors (the big store deals), they never waged a Holy war against their old label...So yeah, both groups would be okay with Hotel California and Highway To Hell being promoted next to their new releases.... 2. You can't compare Lotus' end results with The Eagles and ACDC's projects. Why? Because... A) both of those groups have Classic Rock Radio on their side, a faction that happens to be the last of the CONSISTENT record buying block along with country music fans....And... B) The Eagles' last released studio album came out in 1978-79...So, the release of their album was seen as a huge deal by the press and older music fans...ACDC's last release of new music was 2000...and it helped that they were front and center with the Rock Band video game phenomenon, something I feel Prince should have done a long time ago... For Prince on the other hand, no one in the press thought he was going to sell that many albums with Lotus, much less sell over 90, 000 copies...He had already released three to four albums since 2004...So, no one was clamoring for a new Prince album except the loyalists... That's why Prince's latest numbers are being judged as a huge success by the music press and even some in the music industry.... It's an uneven comparison... [Edited 4/9/09 21:23pm] Your point about "classic" radio is right on the money. All the Prince critics who try to equate his alternative path to others, fail to acknowledge the huge handicap P is dealing with by not having a built-in PR machine that is radio. Whether it is classic, rock or college/alt formats, African-American artists of a certain age have no place to play their new music. It's a shame that American radio has always had an apartheid element. There is no template for an independent R&B/Funk/Rock/Pop artist like Prince taking such a revolutionary path. The type of corporate freedom Prince has sought is extremely rare for a black artist. | |
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rainbowchild said: Definitely, Prince's album would have sold more at Walmart. They have more stores. Still, Prince should have made the album available on iTunes and Amazon for those who are not close to a Target.
I don't think Prince will deal with iTunes for albums again. In the recent LA Times interview, he said they rip you off. **--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••-
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blackbob said: MajesticOne89 said: How much you wanna bet? http://en.wikipedia.org/w...ic_artists As lastdecember just said, aside from a few albums, Prince has been nothing but a gold artist. He doesn't have the mass appeal the Eagles or AC/DC has. When those two bands came out with their albums, everyone knew about it. When Lotusflow3r came out, the only people i knew who knew about it were the people on the org He's just not as popular as you guys think...but who cares?. . those figures are just estimates... prince has been the biggest selling act in the world (1984) he has also been to the other end..indie act selling less than 200,000 copies ...rainbow children (2001) and now he does whatever and is selling around 1 to 2 million per album worldwide ...my point is that you KNOW what an ac/dc album and an eagles album are going to sound like... . you dont know what a prince album is going to be ...and thats a big part of the his appeal to me and to lots of people...dont get me wrong...i like some ac/dc and eagles music.....but i would NEVER buy an album of theirs because it would bore the arse off me knowing that i would know what the next track is going to sound like... mass appeal artists (with the odd exception ) are safe and boring ...like most people you meet well here's another more legit source for you http://www.riaa.com/golda...=tblTopArt
I know what you mean about them being predictable. It's true, hell all the songs on the new AC/DC album sound the same haha. But while that predictability is a turn off to me you and most prince fans, the mass loves that and thats why they sell more. it sucks.. | |
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mzsadii said: I feel Prince selcted to do something with a home-based company ..Target. In doing what he did, he and Target realized that people rarely go to a store for a single item. This was a way to get people into the store and spend their $$s. What a Marketing Home Run. This move might have helped save a job or 2. I think its cool he used a company from Minneapolis and, maybe, just maybe, it will quiet some of those individuals who want to say Prince has forgotten /foresaken Minneapolis for sunny California.
Yup...I spent close to $200 bucks at Target in the past week alone...2 copies of his CD...the rest r junk I don't even need... "Just like the sun, the Rainbow Children rise."
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murph said:
Hmmm... Okay, let's look at it this way...Yeah, I think you bring up a great point about Prince not having a bigger area featuring not just his latest offering, but his past catalogue...But I think this is where a dose of reality is needed... 1: Given Prince's strained relationship with Warner Bros., we all know that it's next to impossible for dude to make such a deal to promote his past prime work in such a fashion...Even as the Eagles and ACDC have moved on to other distributors (the big store deals), they never waged a Holy war against their old label...So yeah, both groups would be okay with Hotel California and Highway To Hell being promoted next to their new releases.... 2. You can't compare Lotus' end results with The Eagles and ACDC's projects. Why? Because... A) both of those groups have Classic Rock Radio on their side, a faction that happens to be the last of the CONSISTENT record buying block along with country music fans....And... B) The Eagles' last released studio album came out in 1978-79...So, the release of their album was seen as a huge deal by the press and older music fans...ACDC's last release of new music was 2000...and it helped that they were front and center with the Rock Band video game phenomenon, something I feel Prince should have done a long time ago... For Prince on the other hand, no one in the press thought he was going to sell that many albums with Lotus, much less sell over 90, 000 copies...He had already released three to four albums since 2004...So, no one was clamoring for a new Prince album except the loyalists... That's why Prince's latest numbers are being judged as a huge success by the music press and even some in the music industry.... It's an uneven comparison... [Edited 4/9/09 21:23pm] [/quote] ----- Good points. So far, this album is a success; especially if the drop off isn't too great next week. There's only one point that I might make that is Prince's own fault: he did not focus on Urban AC radio more strongly. Despite having hits in that format, and one smash (Call My Name), I think that he should have cultivated that market more. I wonder if it's too late now. | |
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