vainandy said:

seriously y do u even listen 2 music anymore? everything 2 u is shit hop this shit hop that..okay we got it u don't like the music scene is 2day, neither do i but i still find some good music out there. and yes even from prince of 2day i find it. so i'm sorry u don't like mplsound i happen 2 love it and so do many others. u r entitled 2 ur voice but u need a new gimmick cause it's getting tired. u'll never like anything prince does anymore and that's fine, so go listen 2 slyvester, weather girls or whatever it is u listen 2 then and b happy with urself.

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daPrettyman said:

So let me get this straight...I paid $12 for his new albums, $77 for access to his new website and now I have to do his marketing for him?

Don't think so, Prince is a big boi, he has the money to do this and if wanted to, he would of. But he chose not to. Let him reap the consequences or not...he did make a lot of money off his current endevours.

Either way, its not OUR problem

I like plenty of Prince from recent albums. If I didn't, I wouldn't continue buying them. And as for shit hop, the day I stop calling it that will be the day it ceases to dominate. And you wanna know what's played out, it's the fanatic writing style of fams with all the 2's, u's, and 4's. Get a style of your own because Prince is not the Lord and Saviour.

vainandy said:

so if country music was ruling the charts then it would b shithuntry cause poor VAINandy can't accept that disco, rock n roll doesn't dominate music anymore? ohhh poor little baby

and fyi i've been writting this way since 84 ..SUE ME ..i never claimed prince 2 b my lord and saviour btw

hip hop is a important part of african american history ..don't like it? 2 bad it's here 2 stay so go listen 2 bach and bethoven so u'll feel better

L4OATheOriginal said:

I see Andy's point on a lot issues with Hip-Hop. My issue is that it has lost it's creativity. It is not about creative rhymes anymore. It's about the amount of money I can make. I'm glad that using samples has died some, but when u have people like Kanye bragging about how great they are and they don't play an instrument really bothers me. Where is the musicianship or musicality in hip-hop? It used to be acts like Whodini and Run DMC, they wrote original rhymes and music. That is gone now and has been replaced by a computer. Not saying the computer and auto-tune are bad, but the message and music seem to have disappeared in mainstream hip-hop.

daPrettyman said:

i am not disputing the state of hip hop has gone way down south i am in agreement. my problem with this assetment is labeling all hip hop as shit hop. r the roots shit hop? is eminem? is LL Cool J? etc etc ..then when someone comes across saying prince's new music is shit hop means 2 me that one is stuck in a certain era of time in music history and should just stay in that zone. it's kind of like how bart, wall and some others on the org r always coming down on prince cause he tries new things, or tries 2 stay relevant in these days of music.

there was a time when almost every song by the gap band sounded the same and once i didn't enjoy their sound any more i stepped away. others should do the same if they r finding the music repeative and they don't. they'd rather come in here and bitch and moan how something sounds like "shit-hop". the solution 2 this is : either step away or create something themselves 2 bring it back 2 the masses so they can have something alternative 2 hear.

L4OATheOriginal said:

I feel ya. I feel the same way about this neo-soul movement of the last 10 or so years. All of the stuff sounds the same to me. Everything has gotten boring and dull. That's why I haven't purchased many cds from these artists. Maybe I'm getting old...I don't know, but rap works my nerves and I can't hardly stand it. Nor can I stand people like Jamie Foxx, Kanye West, Lil' Wayne, Jim Jones, and any other rapper that is out. They all do the same thing and sound exactly alike to me. Besides, I'm tired of hearing "I'm the greatest", "I going to f- ur wife and ur mamma too" and all of that tired stuff. Find a new subject already.

vainandy said:

This is interesting. I have never thought of Tom Joyner as racist. I think he does quite a bit to help the black community. That's his audience so that is where his interests are. I do not see anything wrong with that.

With regard to the skit your mentioned, morning shows always have stupid skits, but I don't get "racist" out of what you described. It sounds like it was playing off of the fact that some folks do hide interracial relationships. That has more to do with personal or societal hang-ups than TJ being racist.

Finally, what exactly is a an "ignorant ghetto caller?" If you turned the channel before the responses, how do you know what types of responses were given?

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Steve actually plays new stuff as well. He played "Call My Name" and "Satisfied" regularly. If I am not mistaken, he played "Future Baby Mama," too.

bellanoche said:

Tom is very "pro-black" and will say and do things that can be interpreted as racist.

It's intersting because on a PBS special I saw in February, Tom was featured and they mentioned how his father used to "pass" for being white during segregation.

vainandy said:

Really vain? I'm surprised. I don't see him as a racist at all. He just asks real, life questions no one else is bold enough to ask. Michael Baisden basically asks the same type of questions on his show, and has white callers that call into his show as well regarding the same topics you mentioned. But I don't care for Michael Baisden too much. Tom is very old school, and basically was one of the radio personalities during the 90s, that brought back real music on the radio from the 70s/80s, and doesn't cater to rap music. I also don't see him as a sell out, but I guess we all have our own opinions about that.
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daPrettyman said:

I saw that documentary with Prof. Gates, and yes his father was on there, and from the looks of him, his father could be "mistaken" by society for a white male although he is a black male.
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daPrettyman said:

here is what i'm sick of ..mf's oohing and ahhhing so called crooning male and femals stretching out notes when it clearly xposes them 4 not being true singers

L4OATheOriginal said:

Me too. It's like they all want to be Patti Labelle (male or female). Shut up...already.

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L4OATheOriginal said:

I have no problem with country music. It stayed on country stations where it belonged. It didn't get on R&B stations and force everything funky out.



Yep, since 84. I thought so. The same year Prince was huge.



Considering that it has dominated for nearly 20 years, has been crossover, and that 75 percent of it's consumers are white, it sounds more like white history to me rather than black history. And since you didn't know, in the early 80s it wasn't shit hop, it was hip hop. It became shit hop in the 90s.



You've got it the total opposite. I don't do classical. And if anything is closer to the tempo of classical, it's shit hop. I like my music fast and funky.
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No, you're not getting old. You're staying young. All those that you mentioned are boring and dull and don't have one fast jam among them. And what group of people throughout the past have only liked slow, boring, and dull music? It has been old people. You're simply staying young. The young generation is the one that's ready for the rest homes and rocking chairs.

bellanoche said:

in miami someone is a Prince fan on 103.5. the DJ actually played 17 days and she's always in my hair and if i was your girlfriend. stuff you rarely hear anymore to the point i was shocked.
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2elijah said:

i agree with your post. i never thought or see TJ in that manner and still enjoy his show very much.

I can just imagine the type of responses coming from a question that is meant to provoke those type of responses....."those white bitches need to leave our black men alone"..."those white bitches need to stick to their own kind"...etc. I've heard those type of responses a thousand times before and I wasn't about to stick around and hear them again. And then there's always the comments coming from Tom or his staff about the black athlete or black musician accepting his award with "that white woman on his arm". I can just imagine the hell that would be raised if someone like Don Imus asked callers to call in because "they just know their friend is seeing a black woman but they can't quite prove it". Or maybe making comments about the white celebrity with "that black woman (or man) on their arm.

As for the selling out part though, when it comes to Tom, I was referring to all the numerous sponsors. I understand they are his commercials but he can't even finish a sentence without trying to promote one of them...."make it a Blockbuster night"...."the McDonald's play of the day"...etc. I can just imagine him in the bed with his wife at night....."this orgasm was brought to you courtesy of Southwestern Airlines".

I don't see him as a racist. Strongly educated and opinionated Black man who had a venue in which to get his point to the masses. I don't like the way it was done nor do I have respect for Steve Harvey. First his treatment towards Bernie Mack when he was alive and now sneaking in the back door.

I fall asleep to Prince fans sites that have his song lists on them..... it's wonderful... beats listening to the radio anytime and waiting for my one Prince song.....it rocks!!! and I learn lots of his music I've never heard.... forget the radio.....(I never thought I'd say that) I just think they are part of the machine now and we can't reach them even with requests....they play what they want it seems.... I rarely hear any Prince music on the radio.....

vainandy said:


I have no problem with country music. It stayed on country stations where it belonged. It didn't get on R&B stations and force everything funky out.

THERE IS AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN FUNKY ON R & B STATIONS. SOUNDS LIKE U KNOW NOTHING ABOUT FUNK


and fyi i've been writting this way since 84 ..SUE ME ..i never claimed prince 2 b my lord and saviour btw


Yep, since 84. I thought so. The same year Prince was huge.

AND UR POINT IS WHAT?


hip hop is a important part of african american history ..


Considering that it has dominated for nearly 20 years, has been crossover, and that 75 percent of it's consumers are white, it sounds more like white history to me rather than black history. And since you didn't know, in the early 80s it wasn't shit hop, it was hip hop. It became shit hop in the 90s.

SO UR TRYING 2 SAY THAT RACE IS A FACTOR IN HIP HOP? MAYBE IT COULD B THE INTERGRATION THAT MUSIC IS MUSIC AND THAT RACE DOESN'T MATTER. OR DO U 4GET UR MUSIC HISTORY WHEN MOTOWN WAS SO MASSIVE THAT PARENTS DIDN'T WANT THEIR CHILDREN LISTENING 2 SOUL MUSIC? OH U 4GOT ABOUT THAT DIDN'T U? IT BECAME "SHIT HOP" 2 U BECAUSE U ONLY WANTED 2 HEAR RAPPERS STEALING FROM JAMES BROWN AND GEORGE CLINTON. BUT ONCE THOSE PIONEERS STARTED ASKING 4 THEIR ROYALITES (WHICH THEY SHOULD HAVE) DJ'S AND MC'S STARTED 2 DRIFT APART AND THEY HAD 2 COME UP WITH THEIR OWN BEATS WHICH THEY DID. BUT U DIDN'T LIKE THAT SO NOW U WANT 2 LABEL IT SHIT HOP ..HOW PATHETIC R U? DON'T ANSWER UR PROVING MY POINT ANYWAY.

Oh Lord, this statement right here is laughable all by itself.




And this statement is equally as laughable since apparently you don't know who the hell you are talking to. And I guess you know plenty about funk? That's funny, I don't think I've seen you very often over in the Non-Prince Section. That's where most of us are who know funk other than just Prince or his influences. And we got bored with writing in 2's and u's years ago.




You're the one that first brought race into it. Not me.




And once again, you don't know who the hell you are talking to. I was listening to funk and rap back in the days when rap was funky, fast tempoed, full of rhythm, and white people were referring to it as "jungle music". Rap in those days was actually funk with verses spoken rather than sung. I started referring to hip hop as shit hop when the instruments were all stripped off, the tempo lost that rhythm and "jungle music" feel that many white people liked to refer to it as and slowed down as slow as and as boring as old Europeans' classical music.




Once again, you know nothing about me. It was in it's infancy stages of becoming shit hop back when they were sampling James Brown and George Clinton in every other song back in the late 1980s and a lot of those songs were underground and weren't even played on mainstream R&B stations because they didn't see them as "music".

To speak that those old school rap years were the James Brown sampled ones is spoken like someone who is either young or didn't get into rap until it crossed over. When I say old school rap, I'm not referring to late 80s, which is what all these POP critics refer to as old school. I'm referring to 1979 - 1984 which was the years it was at it's best and was being played on R&B stations from coast to coast. One of the first rap songs to be played on the radio was called "King Tim III" and it was made by a funk band called Fatback. It was an original song made from the ground up with instruments and with no samples. It was an actual funk song that was just spoken in rhyme rather than sung. Kurtis Blow's "The Breaks" was also an original song with an original groove with a band. Whodini and Run DMC had original songs. So did Twilight 22, Egyptian Lover, Pretty Tony and Freestyle, Divine Sounds, and many others. The early 80s was the good stuff, not the late 80s sampled shit you are referring to.




And very slow, cheap, and weak sounding "beats" if I may add. And that's all they came up with...some cheap computer sounding shit. The drum machines they use don't pound hard enough for the song to be funky and there is no good sounding bass or bass line in the songs to make them funky. When rap stopped being funk, THAT'S when it became shit hop. Next.....
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vainandy said

L4OATheOriginal said:


THERE IS AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN FUNKY ON R & B STATIONS.


Oh Lord, this statement right here is laughable all by itself.

JUST CAUSE U CAN'T FIND IT FUNKY DOESN'T MEAN IT DOESN'T XIST




SOUNDS LIKE U KNOW NOTHING ABOUT FUNK


And this statement is equally as laughable since apparently you don't know who the hell you are talking to. And I guess you know plenty about funk? That's funny, I don't think I've seen you very often over in the Non-Prince Section. That's where most of us are who know funk other than just Prince or his influences. And we got bored with writing in 2's and u's years ago.

I KNOW XACTLY WHO I'M TALKING 2 "SOMEONE STUCK IN A TIME WARP THAT WON'T PROGRESS AS TIME DOES" IF U HAD IT UR WAY WE'D ALL B STILL TYPING ON IBM 36 WITH A GREEN SCREEN. IF THAT'S HOW U LIKE UR MUSIC, AIN'T NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT, JUST DON'T GO AROUND CLAIMING 2 B THE END AND B ALL OF HOW MUSIC IS. Y DO I NEED 2 SPEND MY DAYS IN THE NON PRINCE SECTION WHEN THIS SITE IS INITIALLY ABOUT PRINCE? YES I HAVE VISITED THERE ON OCCASIONS CAUSE I DO LIKE OTHER ARTISTS AS WELL. AND IF "Y'ALL" GOT TIRED OF THE 2'S AND U'S YEARS AGO, GOODY 4 U. DON'T LIKE HOW OTHERS LIKE MYSELF USE THE SHORT HAND..TOUGH SHIT ..GET OVER IT..AIN'T GONNA STOP WON'T STOP ROCKING 2 THE RYTHYM

SO UR TRYING 2 SAY THAT RACE IS A FACTOR IN HIP HOP?


You're the one that first brought race into it. Not me.

AGAIN UR SPEAKING WITH A SHORT MEMORY LAPSE. I SAID HIP HOP IS A CULTURE MOVEMENT. U BRUNG UP RACE I DIDN'T. IN FACT U BRUNG IT UP WHEN U WERE SPEAKING ABOUT TOM JOYNER AND HOW TOPICS WOULD B OF WHO'S DATING WHO.

MAYBE IT COULD B THE INTERGRATION THAT MUSIC IS MUSIC AND THAT RACE DOESN'T MATTER. OR DO U 4GET UR MUSIC HISTORY WHEN MOTOWN WAS SO MASSIVE THAT PARENTS DIDN'T WANT THEIR CHILDREN LISTENING 2 SOUL MUSIC? OH U 4GOT ABOUT THAT DIDN'T U?


And once again, you don't know who the hell you are talking to. I was listening to funk and rap back in the days when rap was funky, fast tempoed, full of rhythm, and white people were referring to it as "jungle music". Rap in those days was actually funk with verses spoken rather than sung. I started referring to hip hop as shit hop when the instruments were all stripped off, the tempo lost that rhythm and "jungle music" feel that many white people liked to refer to it as and slowed down as slow as and as boring as old Europeans' classical music.

SO WHAT DO U SAY 2 WHEN RAP WAS BEING INCORPORATED IN2 ALMOST EVERY GENRE KNOWN? HOUSE MUSIC? ELECTRONIC? LATIN? AND WHEN U SAY INSTRUMENTS STRIPPED OFF..DAMN THAT'S 2 FUNNY SINCE THE ONLY INSTRUMENTATION IN HIP HOP BACK THEN WAS ON SUGARHILL RECORDS WHEN THEY BRUNG IN MUSICIANS IN2 THE STUDIO BUT THEN ONCE IT WAS ON WAX, IN CAME IN THE DJ 2 JUST SPIN THE NEEDLE. DJ'S SPUN RECORDS AND MC'S PICKED UP THE MIC AND THAT'S ALL SHE WROTE. WHAT IS SAD IS THAT MORE RAPPERS 2DAY DON'T GO BACK 2 THE FORMULA OF HAVING A DJ, NOW IT'S JUST LOOPS WITH THE XCEPTION OF FEW HIP HOP ACTS LIKE THE ROOTS





DJ'S AND MC'S STARTED 2 DRIFT APART AND THEY HAD 2 COME UP WITH THEIR OWN BEATS WHICH THEY DID. BUT U DIDN'T LIKE THAT SO NOW U WANT 2 LABEL IT SHIT HOP ..


And very slow, cheap, and weak sounding "beats" if I may add. And that's all they came up with...some cheap computer sounding shit. The drum machines they use don't pound hard enough for the song to be funky and there is no good sounding bass or bass line in the songs to make them funky. When rap stopped being funk, THAT'S when it became shit hop. Next.....


RAP STOPPED BEING FUNK? ..LOL ..PUT ON SOME X CLAN SON ..PUT ON BOOGIE DOWN PRODUCTIONS...PUT ON PE EVEN ..PUT ON EVEN DRE 4 THAT MATTER ..PUT ON THE BEASTIE BOYS ..


THE 70'S R CALLING U ..THEY WANT THEIR DISCO BALL BACK

vainandy said:

That heifer probably only gives Tom some once in a blue moon. I know several people that work on his show and they all say that marriage is for show only.

She married him for status and money. Hell, she was his trainer, then he asked her if she wanted to do a segment on his show. After doing that for a while, they started "officially" dating and he married her. Tom was pretty well set (making about $4 mil a year at the time). She saw the potential for a "good" life. Why else would she want his ugly ass? I would think she would be more attracted to one of his sons, but they may have been a bit too young.

She made Tom become a vegetarian, yet he promotes how good fried chicken and other stuff is on his show.

L4OATheOriginal said:

I’m sure it does exist if I didn’t have anything better to do than search the highest mountain and deepest ocean for it. I shouldn’t have to. It should be readily available at my fingertips like it used to be.





I’m not the one defending a bullshit genre that has dominated, hasn’t changed in 20 years, and refuses to go out of style. Looks like you’re the one stuck in a time warp. I’m the one that wants change such as shit hop dying and something new to taking over. And I don’t care if it’s a genre of music that I don’t like, just as long as shit hop dies.

IF THAT'S HOW U LIKE UR MUSIC, AIN'T NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT, JUST DON'T GO AROUND CLAIMING 2 B THE END AND B ALL OF HOW MUSIC IS.

Well, I am what I am and jealousy doesn’t look pretty on your face.

Y DO I NEED 2 SPEND MY DAYS IN THE NON PRINCE SECTION WHEN THIS SITE IS INITIALLY ABOUT PRINCE? YES I HAVE VISITED THERE ON OCCASIONS CAUSE I DO LIKE OTHER ARTISTS AS WELL. AND IF "Y'ALL" GOT TIRED OF THE 2'S AND U'S YEARS AGO, GOODY 4 U. DON'T LIKE HOW OTHERS LIKE MYSELF USE THE SHORT HAND..TOUGH SHIT ..GET OVER IT..AIN'T GONNA STOP WON'T STOP ROCKING 2 THE RYTHYM

Hey, u’re the 1 saying it’s played out using the word shit hop. Well, I was just letting u know 4 damn sure that it’s even more played out 2 type in this famatic way especially if u have been doing it since 84. I never even invented the word shit hop b-4 the 90s so which is more played out? It gets pretty hard 2 read this silly way of typing also, doesn’t it?

O Lord & Saviour Prince, please deliver these people from evil who do not kiss your ass 4 every little thing u do. 4 they just don’t know the way 2 The Truth.

AGAIN UR SPEAKING WITH A SHORT MEMORY LAPSE. I SAID HIP HOP IS A CULTURE MOVEMENT. U BRUNG UP RACE I DIDN'T.

No, you are the one that said it was part of African American history. I just let you know that hip hop may have been but shit hop is as much a part of white history as it is black history because it didn’t become shit hop until it stripped down, slowed down, crossed over, and started dominating for the last 20 years. Yeah, a little bit of shit hop existed before white radio picked it up but it was usually underground. Only the actual JAMS made it to mainstream R&B radio back when rap was known only in the R&B world. Most rap in those days were on 12 Inch singles and very few 12 Inches back then were slow. None of that slow "talking over a weak beat" mess that took over until the 90s.

IN FACT U BRUNG IT UP WHEN U WERE SPEAKING ABOUT TOM JOYNER AND HOW TOPICS WOULD B OF WHO'S DATING WHO.

Me and you never even discussed Tom Joyner at all. That was me and someone else.


SO WHAT DO U SAY 2 WHEN RAP WAS BEING INCORPORATED IN2 ALMOST EVERY GENRE KNOWN? HOUSE MUSIC?

I had no problem when rap was in house music and it was known as hip house. If it had dominated all of house music and never went away, I would have had a problem with it. But it lived it’s short life span like most trends and styles changed to something else.

ELECTRONIC? LATIN?

As for the other genres, I could care less because I didn’t listen to them.

AND WHEN U SAY INSTRUMENTS STRIPPED OFF..DAMN THAT'S 2 FUNNY SINCE THE ONLY INSTRUMENTATION IN HIP HOP BACK THEN WAS ON SUGARHILL RECORDS WHEN THEY BRUNG IN MUSICIANS IN2 THE STUDIO

Sugarhill Records was not the only label that put out rap records. And no, most of the rap groups of the early 80s didn’t have the traditional horns and things but their songs were made from the ground up with original grooves and rhythms of their own. A jam like "Electric Kingdom" wasn’t a sample of someone else. And yeah, a lot of those groups used drum machines but they weren’t the weak sounding ones that barely tap that eventually became the shit hop sound. Their music was original and the hard pounding drum machines used were of a dancefloor and party type nature, which was what rap was for in the early 80s.for a party. Not to just sit, listen, and bob a head like a dull ass person would do. Hell, a lot of rap in those days was even faster than funk. Even a song like "Planet Rock" which stole from Kraftwerk was re-recorded instead of sampled. And before you write those off as "electro", there was no such term back then. They were simply called "rap".

BUT THEN ONCE IT WAS ON WAX, IN CAME IN THE DJ 2 JUST SPIN THE NEEDLE. DJ'S SPUN RECORDS AND MC'S PICKED UP THE MIC AND THAT'S ALL SHE WROTE. WHAT IS SAD IS THAT MORE RAPPERS 2DAY DON'T GO BACK 2 THE FORMULA OF HAVING A DJ, NOW IT'S JUST LOOPS WITH THE XCEPTION OF FEW HIP HOP ACTS LIKE THE ROOTS

And that’s the key words right there "once it was put on wax, the DJs came in and mixed it". A DJs creation is a mix, not a song. DJs need songs in order to create and when DJs become the provider of the music behind the lyrics ON WAX, then it is simply a mix on wax. Hell, I can mix my damn self and I want to mix songs, not someone else’s mix.

DJ'S AND MC'S STARTED 2 DRIFT APART AND THEY HAD 2 COME UP WITH THEIR OWN BEATS WHICH THEY DID.

I don't want beats, I want music.

BUT U DIDN'T LIKE THAT SO NOW U WANT 2 LABEL IT SHIT HOP ..

I know what qualifies something as being shit hop because I invented the term. Hell, if I invented the term, I control what makes it which is rap (or even songs that are sung) that use that weak drum machines that barely tap, most instruments are stripped off, it never gets past slow or midtempo, and it’s made mainly for dull people that don’t like to party but are happy and satisfied to simply bob their heads. I’m sorry if you don’t like those rules, but hey, I invented the term, not you. And the qualifications are not debatable because the inventor of the term has spoken.




When you actually list some funk, I’ll let you know.



Well, they can’t have it because it looks too good in my living room ceiling. But the 90s are also calling you....they want their shit hop back.
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^ do u want ur pacifer now cause ur still crying in ur diapers go away hip hop go away hip hop ..

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