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PrintableTyphoonTip said: Prince is a crafty little bugger..
Here's me sitting here complaining that there's no local release in any country other than the US; complaining that P doesn't give a sh!t about OS fans (...which he clearly doesn't); complaining that I'll EVENTUALLY have to pay 3 times the amount for an import; complaining that local retailers have no idea when they'll receive their copies,.....when all the time I missed the bigger picture. Stupid me. It seems that P clearly wants Lotusflow3r to be seen as a success, particularly given he's 'changed the gatekeepers'. So rather than giving every country a local release, every fan in every country has to buy an imported copy, than will count towards the sales, and therefore the charts, in the the US. It seems that he's willing to sacrafice chart success in other countries, while pissing off OS fans in the process, to guarantee chart success in one country. Chart trickery, yet again. This time at the expense of every OS fan. Nice. 
[Edited 4/7/09 19:54pm] you don't HAVE to buy anything. you can wait. the choice is yours to make... An individualist is a man who lives for his own sake and by his own mind; he neither sacrifices himself to others nor sacrifices others to himself... | |
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sassybritches said: TyphoonTip said: Prince is a crafty little bugger..
Here's me sitting here complaining that there's no local release in any country other than the US; complaining that P doesn't give a sh!t about OS fans (...which he clearly doesn't); complaining that I'll EVENTUALLY have to pay 3 times the amount for an import; complaining that local retailers have no idea when they'll receive their copies,.....when all the time I missed the bigger picture. Stupid me. It seems that P clearly wants Lotusflow3r to be seen as a success, particularly given he's 'changed the gatekeepers'. So rather than giving every country a local release, every fan in every country has to buy an imported copy, than will count towards the sales, and therefore the charts, in the the US. It seems that he's willing to sacrafice chart success in other countries, while pissing off OS fans in the process, to guarantee chart success in one country. Chart trickery, yet again. This time at the expense of every OS fan. Nice.
[Edited 4/7/09 19:54pm] you don't HAVE to buy anything. you can wait. the choice is yours to make... Wait for what? | |
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TyphoonTip said: sassybritches said: you don't HAVE to buy anything. you can wait. the choice is yours to make... Wait for what? wait for it to be made available, wait for it to be on share sites like limewire, or...decide not to shell the money out if it never does find its way to those avenues. i just don't understand the whole "we have to do _____". it's not food or housing, it's a silly music set (and not even a really good set, at that). An individualist is a man who lives for his own sake and by his own mind; he neither sacrifices himself to others nor sacrifices others to himself... | |
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BorisFishpaw said: TyphoonTip said: A friend is a manager in a (the) major music retailer in Australia. He said that their Australia wide stock of Lotusflow3r will be directly sourced from Target US. Now that may well be wholesale, but that still, would it not, impact on US charts? I mean 'sales' are not a count of how many people physically buy a copy, but rather how many are sold to retail outlets. In this case Target is both the wholesaler, and the only retailer. I could be wrong, and am quite happy to be corrected, but it's an interesting thought. I don't think that's true, though if it is it means that the US charts are calculated VERY differently to the UK ones. In the UK it's actual sales to the consumer that count, not sales to the retailer. It is true in Australia, or at least it used to be. Neighbours did a story line on it when i was in primary school | |
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^very bizarre (and wide open to massive abuse!)
I'm pretty certain that the US charts are calculated in a similar way to the UK ones. Via collating the quantity sold to the consumer by number of barcodes being scanned at point of sale. Of course things are probably a little different to this now as downloads would have to be tracked too. But I'm sure it would still be down to the quantity actually sold to the consumer rather than units shipped to retail (though this method is used for calculating Gold and Platinum status etc. but not for the charts) | |
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BorisFishpaw said: ^very bizarre (and wide open to massive abuse!)
I'm pretty certain that the US charts are calculated in a similar way to the UK ones. Via collating the quantity sold to the consumer by number of barcodes being scanned at point of sale. Of course things are probably a little different to this now as downloads would have to be tracked too. But I'm sure it would still be down to the quantity actually sold to the consumer rather than units shipped to retail (though this method is used for calculating Gold and Platinum status etc. but not for the charts) That was pretty much the story line as far as i can remember. Something about falsifying orders to promote artist sales... long time ago. | |
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sassybritches said: TyphoonTip said: Wait for what? wait for it to be made available, wait for it to be on share sites like limewire, or...decide not to shell the money out if it never does find its way to those avenues. i just don't understand the whole "we have to do _____". it's not food or housing, it's a silly music set (and not even a really good set, at that). You should read my posts more carefully before replying. | |
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TyphoonTip said: sassybritches said: wait for it to be made available, wait for it to be on share sites like limewire, or...decide not to shell the money out if it never does find its way to those avenues. i just don't understand the whole "we have to do _____". it's not food or housing, it's a silly music set (and not even a really good set, at that). You should read my posts more carefully before replying. Typhoon I spoke to a guy in JB Hi Fi here in Tasmania today and they are definantly expecting a shipment soon...so its all good  Which is great news for a fellow Tasmanian orger Prb...she's gonna be doing a happy dance  PRINCE IS WATCHING U  " When an Artist Creates, whatever they create belongs to society"
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TheEnglishGent said: TyphoonTip said: Prince is a crafty little bugger..
Interesting thought, but it depends where the exporters are buying them from. Are the copies we can buy in HMV in the UK being bought from Target stores in the US? I doubt it. If HMV are sourcing from a distributor in the US, then those sales probably don't count for the chart over there. But they might, does anyone know for sure?Here's me sitting here complaining that there's no local release in any country other than the US; complaining that P doesn't give a sh!t about OS fans (...which he clearly doesn't); complaining that I'll EVENTUALLY have to pay 3 times the amount for an import; complaining that local retailers have no idea when they'll receive their copies,.....when all the time I missed the bigger picture. Stupid me. It seems that P clearly wants Lotusflow3r to be seen as a success, particularly given he's 'changed the gatekeepers'. So rather than giving every country a local release, every fan in every country has to buy an imported copy, than will count towards the sales, and therefore the charts, in the the US. It seems that he's willing to sacrafice cart success in other countries, while pissing off OS fans in the process, to guarantee chart success in one country. Chart trickery, yet again. This time at the expense of every OS fan. Nice. Nope it would only work if he used Target/Amazon to ship worldwide online then the figures would add to the US Chart.....Prince can do that next time...  Da, Da, Da....Emancipation....Free..don't think I ain't..! London 21 Nights...Clap your hands...you know the rest..
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TyphoonTip said: sassybritches said: wait for it to be made available, wait for it to be on share sites like limewire, or...decide not to shell the money out if it never does find its way to those avenues. i just don't understand the whole "we have to do _____". it's not food or housing, it's a silly music set (and not even a really good set, at that). You should read my posts more carefully before replying. you said: Prince is a crafty little bugger.. Here's me sitting here complaining that there's no local release in any country other than the US; complaining that P doesn't give a sh!t about OS fans (...which he clearly doesn't); complaining that I'll EVENTUALLY have to pay 3 times the amount for an import; complaining that local retailers have no idea when they'll receive their copies,.....when all the time I missed the bigger picture. Stupid me. It seems that P clearly wants Lotusflow3r to be seen as a success, particularly given he's 'changed the gatekeepers'. So rather than giving every country a local release, every fan in every country has to buy an imported copy, than will count towards the sales, and therefore the charts, in the the US. It seems that he's willing to sacrafice chart success in other countries, while pissing off OS fans in the process, to guarantee chart success in one country. Chart trickery, yet again. This time at the expense of every OS fan. Nice. i don't think i misunderstood a thing. if you meant to impart some other idea then perhaps you should write your posts a little more carefully before you hit "enter". An individualist is a man who lives for his own sake and by his own mind; he neither sacrifices himself to others nor sacrifices others to himself... | |
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sassybritches said: TyphoonTip said: You should read my posts more carefully before replying. you said: Prince is a crafty little bugger.. Here's me sitting here complaining that there's no local release in any country other than the US; complaining that P doesn't give a sh!t about OS fans (...which he clearly doesn't); complaining that I'll EVENTUALLY have to pay 3 times the amount for an import; complaining that local retailers have no idea when they'll receive their copies,.....when all the time I missed the bigger picture. Stupid me. It seems that P clearly wants Lotusflow3r to be seen as a success, particularly given he's 'changed the gatekeepers'. So rather than giving every country a local release, every fan in every country has to buy an imported copy, than will count towards the sales, and therefore the charts, in the the US. It seems that he's willing to sacrafice chart success in other countries, while pissing off OS fans in the process, to guarantee chart success in one country. Chart trickery, yet again. This time at the expense of every OS fan. Nice. i don't think i misunderstood a thing. if you meant to impart some other idea then perhaps you should write your posts a little more carefully before you hit "enter". Of course you didn't.  | |
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TyphoonTip said: Of course you didn't. I think you might be being a little pessimistic in saying there will never be local releases. It' only been a week and a bit. | |
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TyphoonTip said: sassybritches said: you said: Prince is a crafty little bugger.. Here's me sitting here complaining that there's no local release in any country other than the US; complaining that P doesn't give a sh!t about OS fans (...which he clearly doesn't); complaining that I'll EVENTUALLY have to pay 3 times the amount for an import; complaining that local retailers have no idea when they'll receive their copies,.....when all the time I missed the bigger picture. Stupid me. It seems that P clearly wants Lotusflow3r to be seen as a success, particularly given he's 'changed the gatekeepers'. So rather than giving every country a local release, every fan in every country has to buy an imported copy, than will count towards the sales, and therefore the charts, in the the US. It seems that he's willing to sacrafice chart success in other countries, while pissing off OS fans in the process, to guarantee chart success in one country. Chart trickery, yet again. This time at the expense of every OS fan. Nice. i don't think i misunderstood a thing. if you meant to impart some other idea then perhaps you should write your posts a little more carefully before you hit "enter". Of course you didn't. ok dude, well you have yet to clarify what other possible message was intended. sorry to harp on such a petty issue but if you're gonna be childish and say "you should read things more carefully" then you should explain what you mean. cuz, honestly, after readin gyour post it looks like what i got from it is what you meant to say. no sense responding to this, though, if it's just gonna be another pointless remark. An individualist is a man who lives for his own sake and by his own mind; he neither sacrifices himself to others nor sacrifices others to himself... | |
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