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PrintableThe point is that back in the day you couldnt point at his music and readily characterize it as rock or r&B or funk, it was just Prince music.
The fact that you can point to each track and say oh...here is Prince doing a rock song or here is Prince doing "jazz"...tells you he's not the brilliant mashup artist he once was. | |
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emesem said: The point is that back in the day you couldnt point at his music and readily characterize it as rock or r&B or funk, it was just Prince music.
The fact that you can point to each track and say oh...here is Prince doing a rock song or here is Prince doing "jazz"...tells you he's not the brilliant mashup artist he once was. Rubbish that's because you never heard him do what he wanted to do in the style he wanted to do it....hence the record company sh*t.... What you on how could you know 90's Prince in the 80's or 00's in the 90's that's just plain silly... You 80's Prince guy's don't get it he has to move on that's what makes him the artist he is ... you can't box Prince ...what the hell are you talking about ...he does what he feels to do it's called Art....  Da, Da, Da....Emancipation....Free..don't think I ain't..! London 21 Nights...Clap your hands...you know the rest..
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i find it funny how these caged people say they love some modern RnB and refer to Musicology as an example...an album thats a tribute to the old school :lol: they trapped. [Edited 4/2/09 12:30pm] This Post is produced, arranged, composed and performed by WetDream | |
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WetDream said: i find it funny how these caged people say they love some modern RnB and refer to Musicology as an example...an album thats a tribute to the old school
they trapped. [Edited 4/2/09 12:30pm] An album that has so many styles in it but because Prince talks about James Brown he's doing rip off or sub-standard James Brown tracks.....ha...ha... what the hell is HouseQuake....oh that's 80's Prince doing a 80's or is that 70's or is that 60's ....no....no....wait it's 30's no...wait...it Rip of James Brown.....Suckkers.... You can't box Prince give up! Da, Da, Da....Emancipation....Free..don't think I ain't..! London 21 Nights...Clap your hands...you know the rest..
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emesem said: The point is that back in the day you couldnt point at his music and readily characterize it as rock or r&B or funk, it was just Prince music.
The fact that you can point to each track and say oh...here is Prince doing a rock song or here is Prince doing "jazz"...tells you he's not the brilliant mashup artist he once was. And whether u can characterize a song as r/b, rock, soul, pop or whatever has no baring on whether is it good or not. U are basically making my point by saying somehow they are not "good" because u link them too a genre. | |
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LondonStyle said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: You know, the outright dismissal of someone not liking jazz / Modern R&B is total bullshit. I am sure Nouveaudance is in the same category as myself in loving all the genres we're talking about. If it aint good it aint good and that's what it comes down to. No it comes down to what you like and you don't like Jazz/RnB Prince....why make out like you do when you don't ...sh*t your 80's "Purple Rain" guy's you lean towards the "Rock" side of Prince which is cool 
Prince is too much for most people ....I've never got a Prince CD / LP expecting to like all tacks on the album ....I figured this out years ago ...he just does to many styles it's really not a quality thing....it's a range thing he can't take you everywhere....on his musical journey.... Sh*t it would be like saying you like all beatles tracks ....or bowie...it just can't be...relax....no one goes around say The Beatles are S*it or Bowie is sh*t or lacking in quality unless they are up their own ass... You like it or you don't that's it .....Prince puts out what he feels ..ya feel it or you don't ....their is no quality issue... this is not beans.... Just because you say I don't like Jazz/RnB Prince doesn't make that a fact. I LOVED the Vualt particularly When the Lights Go Down precicely because it shows Prince's ability regardless of the genre. Love like Jazz is a fucking imposter compared to WTLGD. Please. I also love Prince's R&B ventures however his current crop of R&B tracks are lame ass attempts to be relevant to today's market which is largely filled with talentless trash. 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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tricky99 said: emesem said: The point is that back in the day you couldnt point at his music and readily characterize it as rock or r&B or funk, it was just Prince music. The fact that you can point to each track and say oh...here is Prince doing a rock song or here is Prince doing "jazz"...tells you he's not the brilliant mashup artist he once was. And whether u can characterize a song as r/b, rock, soul, pop or whatever has no baring on whether is it good or not. U are basically making my point by saying somehow they are not "good" because u link them too a genre. you sir...or madame...are on a roll. This Post is produced, arranged, composed and performed by WetDream | |
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tricky99 said: Ok so according to u Prince sounds like a "Tool" on Old school company" "here" "love like jazz" and "better with time"?
Not according to me, you chose some songs you think prove your point. I've said many times in the corresponding album threads how much I liked 'Love Like Jazz' and that the ballads on MPLSound are it's saving grace, especially 'Better With Time' (which could do with shortening a little before it collapses in on itself like a soggy sponge). | |
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tricky99 said: I've come to the conclusion from reading lots of reviews of Prince's latest that alot of reviewers disregard Prince's output unless it falls along a pop/rock fault-line.
I think they like some orgers are very dismissive of r&b and soul music. I haven't taken a scientific poll but I believe the guitiar based songs are given more props because it falls in line with what the generic white-listener wants to hear. I don't see this as racism but more racial. In that they are only reflecting thru the critique of Prince their own musical bias. Remember Prince reached his popularity peak with an album that was more pop/rock then the majority of his output. Its become quite cliche to read some reviewer who will praise Prince while tending to dismiss the last 15 years worth of songs that cover a whole gamut of musical styles. I can't think of another musician who is lauded as a genuis but who's actual work as been so dismissed. Each album bring phrases "like return to form" (what form?) "self-indulgent" (who should he indulge?) and "hit or miss" (funny but the "hit" and "misses" changes with each reviewer). Each reviewer seems to want Prince to return to some undefined form that doesn't exist. Generally there has never been a time Prince produced the same kind of music over an extended time period. I think part of the problem is that Prince so extraordinarliy creative, prolific and contrary that there really isn't much precedent in the music world on how to approch him. Fans and critics have taken for granted that Prince will always be producing music. Its too much music for most of it to be good right? He's too old for it too be good right? Take a look at how much music that gets 4 stars from reviews would be described as disapointing if Prince's name was attached to it. I really feel that no matter how "good" a Prince album is it will always be dismissed to some digree with the 3 terms I described earlier. Prince is too radical to be safely praised be the majority. Very many will claim only a piece of the purple rock, few love the many aspects he presents.. Damn that was truly on point.  I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: LondonStyle said: No it comes down to what you like and you don't like Jazz/RnB Prince....why make out like you do when you don't ...sh*t your 80's "Purple Rain" guy's you lean towards the "Rock" side of Prince which is cool
Prince is too much for most people ....I've never got a Prince CD / LP expecting to like all tacks on the album ....I figured this out years ago ...he just does to many styles it's really not a quality thing....it's a range thing he can't take you everywhere....on his musical journey.... Sh*t it would be like saying you like all beatles tracks ....or bowie...it just can't be...relax....no one goes around say The Beatles are S*it or Bowie is sh*t or lacking in quality unless they are up their own ass... You like it or you don't that's it .....Prince puts out what he feels ..ya feel it or you don't ....their is no quality issue... this is not beans.... Just because you say I don't like Jazz/RnB Prince doesn't make that a fact. I LOVED the Vualt particularly When the Lights Go Down precicely because it shows Prince's ability regardless of the genre. Love like Jazz is a fucking imposter compared to WTLGD. Please. I also love Prince's R&B ventures however his current crop of R&B tracks are lame ass attempts to be relevant to today's market which is largely filled with talentless trash. Man Prince is still going to clubs ...so his ear is gonna be more in tune with what is going on than yours ....he plays music ....he has friends in the industry that play "club" music he's doing his own version of this ...he's not following or copying he's an artist ... Look let me break it down for you..... An Artist paints a landscape in 1978 buy 2009 that landscape has changed he paints a landscape ....which one is better....
don't be a sucker you can't box prince it's not beans there is no quality issue.... Just your own personal taste in music.... Da, Da, Da....Emancipation....Free..don't think I ain't..! London 21 Nights...Clap your hands...you know the rest..
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LondonStyle said: don't be a sucker you can't box prince it's not beans
there is no quality issue.... Just your own personal taste in music.... Just because you have a slick slogan doesn't make your statement true. Prince is a fucking genius and this album is not a display of it. 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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LondonStyle said: Sh*t it would be like saying you like all beatles tracks ....or bowie...it just can't be...relax....no one goes around say The Beatles are S*it or Bowie is sh*t or lacking in quality unless they are up their own ass...
I've read loads about how Bowie lost it in the 80s and put out a load of shit, much like we read about Prince in the 90s. Same can be said about Stevie Wonder. No one is above criticism, and no one's output is constantly stellar, never mediocre. . [Edited 4/2/09 13:02pm] | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: LondonStyle said: don't be a sucker you can't box prince it's not beans
there is no quality issue.... Just your own personal taste in music.... Just because you have a slick slogan doesn't make your statement true. Prince is a fucking genius and this album is not a display of it. That's your personal taste in music .... If music be the food of love....play on.... You can't box Prince... you just don't love the track...personal choice not quality...dear..boy... Da, Da, Da....Emancipation....Free..don't think I ain't..! London 21 Nights...Clap your hands...you know the rest..
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: LondonStyle said: don't be a sucker you can't box prince it's not beans
there is no quality issue.... Just your own personal taste in music.... Just because you have a slick slogan doesn't make your statement true. Prince is a fucking genius and this album is not a display of it. Whether you like them or not, name me one other artist who either has the ability, or the balls to put two songs like $ and Dreamer on the same album. Back to back. Hell, I can't think of many who have two songs in their entire catalogue that are as different as those two. That is the genius of Prince. He is exactly who we thought he was | |
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Accujack said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Just because you have a slick slogan doesn't make your statement true. Prince is a fucking genius and this album is not a display of it. Whether you like them or not, name me one other artist who either has the ability, or the balls to put two songs like $ and Dreamer on the same album. Back to back. Hell, I can't think of many who have two songs in their entire catalogue that are as different as those two. That is the genius of Prince. THAT maybe but the rest? Please! 2 tracks doesn't make an album genius.2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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NouveauDance said: LondonStyle said: Sh*t it would be like saying you like all beatles tracks ....or bowie...it just can't be...relax....no one goes around say The Beatles are S*it or Bowie is sh*t or lacking in quality unless they are up their own ass...
I've read loads about how Bowie lost it in the 80s and put out a load of shit, much like we read about Prince in the 90s. Same can be said about Stevie Wonder. No one is above criticism, and no one's output is constantly stellar, never mediocre. . [Edited 4/2/09 13:02pm] Well that depends on who's doing the Criticism .....you are no stevie, you are no Prince , you are no bowie..... No one is above of Vaild Criticism Are you Vaild.....? Da, Da, Da....Emancipation....Free..don't think I ain't..! London 21 Nights...Clap your hands...you know the rest..
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Accujack said: Whether you like them or not, name me one other artist who either has the ability, or the balls to put two songs like $ and Dreamer on the same album. Back to back. Hell, I can't think of many who have two songs in their entire catalogue that are as different as those two. That is the genius of Prince. THAT maybe but the rest? Please! 2 tracks doesn't make an album genius.Take Dreamer off of Lotusflow3r, and I would still take it over Lovesexy. That's right I said it. He is exactly who we thought he was | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Accujack said: Whether you like them or not, name me one other artist who either has the ability, or the balls to put two songs like $ and Dreamer on the same album. Back to back. Hell, I can't think of many who have two songs in their entire catalogue that are as different as those two. That is the genius of Prince. THAT maybe but the rest? Please! 2 tracks doesn't make an album genius.77 Bv. Park -> Wall of Berlin Have you ever seen such a transition from one mind? Look at things as a whole, 3cds that contrast each other completely, each sounding like hes the master at each concept chosen...and it's all from one mind. This Post is produced, arranged, composed and performed by WetDream | |
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WetDream said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: THAT maybe but the rest? Please! 2 tracks doesn't make an album genius.77 Bv. Park -> Wall of Berlin Have you ever seen such a transition from one mind? Look at things as a whole, 3cds that contrast each other completely, each sounding like hes the master at each concept chosen...and it's all from one mind. uh yeah, 77 bv park is a waste of time. completely. just because you put up an ugly crack whore against a model doesn't make it a perfect fashion show! 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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tricky99 said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:  I agree with u on her work being disregarded, but I don't think she has been lauded as a genuis by the critics or listening public. Whether she is or not (genuis) is up to debate. 
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LondonStyle said: That's your personal taste in music ....
You're like a stuck record LondonStyle, you must've said that at least half a dozen times in this thread already. I think we all know everything is down to personal taste, if you can't handle it every time someone omits "in my opinion" from the beginning of a sentence you're going to get RSI from typing "that's your personal taste" before this thread is through. The topic of the thread is tricky99's ridiculous assertion that white fans don't like Prince's R&B side, not whether a particular track is liked or not because of personal taste. | |
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L4OATheOriginal said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: as much as i like alanis, me'shelle never got her proper shine
oh wait let me do some calculations here...mavrick label=vanity label 4 madonna distributed by warner bros ...damn shoulda known  Maverick was much more successful than Paisley Park or any other vanity label. Michelle Branch, Alanis, Me'shell, The Bosstones, Prodigy, and a few others. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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Hey Londonstyle, can you please stop acting like a spoilt 10 yr old when replying to other posts, it completely detracts from the arguments you are trying to put forward or maybe you should spend less time on the MJ O2 thread over at Non Music.
As for the discussion about the new music, alot of us here are in our mid 30´s or older, and 80´s Prince without doubt had an influence on what we consider to be good music. Prince raised the bar on music to incredible heights then and he has seldom hit those heights since, especially in the studio. The new albums are brilliant and they certainly contain some "WTF" moments, but I am not totally convinced that this material is on a par with that of his 80´s output. If it were not for insanity, I would be sane.
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: As to the premise of your thread, the Rock songs on the album are getting better praise because they are better songs. The R&B songs are so generic that it's an embarrassment to even classify them in the same category as the classic soul songs Prince has created before.
Is that what you think?...Is "Boom" really better than say "Dance 4 Me?" LOL... And as far as classic soul goes, I think Prince was always a R&B artist who did soul, pop, and rock on his own terms.....And I think that's a problem for a lot of the fans...Throwing the "generic" word out there is just code for straight-ahead "Prince" R&B/funk that he has also been known for along with his pop/rock and funk fusion sound.... ALSO, let me say that I'm not claiming Prince is capable of doing ANYTHING he wants musically in the studio...There are some stumbles on this new project... If anything, Prince's latest work has proven that there are some fans and critics who really like the rock n roll, guitar-shredding Prince more than the playful R&B, party man (and vice verse)... And hey, whatever floats your boat is fine by me...What I find puzzling is the constant put-downs of folks that dig MPLSsound more than Lotus: The revisionist history of complaining how Prince uses slang in some of the songs (when he's always used slang...); complaining how silly Prince's lyrical output on MPLS is (as if songs like Let's Work, DMSR, Sexy Dancer, Housequake and Soft & Wet were ever praise for thought-provoking or witty lyrics...lol)..Complaining how Prince name checks TV shows like Ugly Betty when he was doing that shit in 1986 with "Kiss" (Dynasty anyone?)... All this tells me one thing: Folks are searching for a reason; any reason to say why they don't like much of the material on MPLS....When the truth is they have a hard time dealing with the idea of their rude boy, wild boy who made genre-busting records like Around The World...Parade...and Dream Factory making an R&B record... [Edited 4/2/09 13:52pm] | |
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murph said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: As to the premise of your thread, the Rock songs on the album are getting better praise because they are better songs. The R&B songs are so generic that it's an embarrassment to even classify them in the same category as the classic soul songs Prince has created before.
Is that what you think?...Is "Boom" really better than say "Dance With Me?" LOL... And as far as classic soul goes, I think Prince was always a R&B artist who did soul, pop, and rock on his own terms.....And I think that's a problem for a lot of the fans...Throwing the "generic" word out there is just code for straight-ahead "Prince" R&B/funk that he has also been known for along with his pop/rock and funk fusion sound.... ALSO, let me say that I'm not claiming Prince is capable of doing ANYTHING he wants musically in the studio...There are some stumbles on this new project... If anything, Prince's latest work has proven that there are some fans and critics who really like the rock n roll, guitar-shredding Prince more than the playful R&B, party man (and vice verse)... I will reveal something very embarrassing here. When Diamonds and Pearls came out, I actually told someone that I hated LIve for Love and wish Prince wouldn't do white Music. R&B is my natural musical base and I didn't get into rock music til I was 25 years old. So all these accusations that I'm just a rocker who can't handle R&B are stupid and hilarious. I love R&B but the rock songs are better than the lame attempts at current R&B relevancy.2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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murph said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: As to the premise of your thread, the Rock songs on the album are getting better praise because they are better songs. The R&B songs are so generic that it's an embarrassment to even classify them in the same category as the classic soul songs Prince has created before. Is that what you think?...Is "Boom" really better than say "Dance 4 Me?" LOL... And as far as classic soul goes, I think Prince was always a R&B artist who did soul, pop, and rock on his own terms.....And I think that's a problem for a lot of the fans...Throwing the "generic" word out there is just code for straight-ahead "Prince" R&B/funk that he has also been known for along with his pop/rock and funk fusion sound.... ALSO, let me say that I'm not claiming Prince is capable of doing ANYTHING he wants musically in the studio...There are some stumbles on this new project... If anything, Prince's latest work has proven that there are some fans and critics who really like the rock n roll, guitar-shredding Prince more than the playful R&B, party man (and vice verse)... And hey, whatever floats your boat is fine by me...What I find puzzling is the constant put-downs of folks that dig MPLSsound more than Lotus: The revisionist history of complaining how Prince uses slang in some of the songs (when he's always used slang...); complaining how silly Prince's lyrical output on MPLS is (as if songs like Let's Work, DMSR, Sexy Dancer, Housequake and Soft & Wet were ever praise for thought-provoking or witty lyrics...lol)..Complaining how Prince name checks TV shows like Ugly Betty when he was doing that shit in 1986 with "Kiss" (Dynasty anyone?)... All this tells me one thing: Folks are searching for a reason; any reason to say why they don't like much of the material on MPLS....When the truth is they have a hard time dealing with the idea of their rude boy, wild boy who made genre-busting records like Around The World...Parade...and Dream Factory making an R&B record... [Edited 4/2/09 13:52pm] Murph still tearin' it up! [Edited 4/2/09 13:57pm] This Post is produced, arranged, composed and performed by WetDream | |
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WetDream said: murph said: Is that what you think?...Is "Boom" really better than say "Dance 4 Me?" LOL... And as far as classic soul goes, I think Prince was always a R&B artist who did soul, pop, and rock on his own terms.....And I think that's a problem for a lot of the fans...Throwing the "generic" word out there is just code for straight-ahead "Prince" R&B/funk that he has also been known for along with his pop/rock and funk fusion sound.... ALSO, let me say that I'm not claiming Prince is capable of doing ANYTHING he wants musically in the studio...There are some stumbles on this new project... If anything, Prince's latest work has proven that there are some fans and critics who really like the rock n roll, guitar-shredding Prince more than the playful R&B, party man (and vice verse)... And hey, whatever floats your boat is fine by me...What I find puzzling is the constant put-downs of folks that dig MPLSsound more than Lotus: The revisionist history of complaining how Prince uses slang in some of the songs (when he's always used slang...); complaining how silly Prince's lyrical output on MPLS is (as if songs like Let's Work, DMSR, Sexy Dancer, Housequake and Soft & Wet were ever praise for thought-provoking or witty lyrics...lol)..Complaining how Prince name checks TV shows like Ugly Betty when he was doing that shit in 1986 with "Kiss" (Dynasty anyone?)... All this tells me one thing: Folks are searching for a reason; any reason to say why they don't like much of the material on MPLS....When the truth is they have a hard time dealing with the idea of their rude boy, wild boy who made genre-busting records like Around The World...Parade...and Dream Factory making an R&B record... [Edited 4/2/09 13:52pm] Murph still tearin' it up! [Edited 4/2/09 13:57pm] I saw your pre edit statement 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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