Dayclear said:

I don't care if they ever come back together. If they do, I'll be happy, if not, life goes on like it has for the last 23 years.

stanleylieber said:

I recently got "Dream Factory" and I'm going to be completely honest here, it did not WOW me. I thought I was going to be blown away because I have most of these songs already, with the exception of DF's Crystal Ball, and I liked them a lot on their own but I wasn't excited with this as a whole. It actually made me wanna listen to SOTT and I wondered even more what Crystal Ball the 3-LP set would have been like. Oh well.

purplecam said:

talk of a revolution reunion

"he should cause it's the 25 anniversary.."

so when the 20 year anniversary of sott and lovesexy happend he should have gotten those band members (xception of boni cause u know )?

so next year will b the 20 year anniversary of GB we should bring them all back as well right?

this whole topic

L4OATheOriginal said:

I cosign with L4 AND purplecam

topic X 1 million

SUPRMAN said:

I wasn't trying to suggest that Prince's music was/is only accessible with the aid of wendy and lisa. I do, however, believe there is an intagible presence on the "acknowledged"* collaborations between P,W & L that made for [IMO] some of princes most timeless/interesting material.

*(think songs - btwn ATWIAD and SOTT -that most bios/interviews point towards as collaborative efforts)

as i tried to state in my original post...I appreciate prince-pre & post W&L, as much as i do revolution-era prince. just as much as i dont think prince could create a parade or dream factory (whether you adore thos albums or not) without them....i dont think w&l could've made a exodus or a diamonds and pearls or a rainbowchildren (both 90's/00's albums that i )... i also believe the contributions of every band after the revolution are just as necessary and just as difficult for any other prince band to re-create (should they ever feel the need or be instructed to)

the reason i highlight wendy and lisa (and the revolution) is:

pre-revolution (to me at least) its pretty apparent that prince wanted to be recognized as a jack of all genres...but for all his greatness (which is undeniable) he never seemed to be convincing as anything more than an ambitious r&b/student until the gradual influence of would be revolution members...

and once they left....album by album...you (or rather, i) can hear a certain eclectic-equilibrium leaving his work, no matter how great his works were and are..

i mean even when you look at the two versions of "strange relationship"....even tho W&L only added sitar....the difference between the two versions are striking...the whole dreamlike atmosphere of the music (which is what in my opinion began to earn them comparisons to a modern day beatles) began to disappear

was that fate? sure. did it need to happen in princes life? probably

i was just curious as to what everyone else thought..

yes i have a preferene in eras but i wasnt challenging that one was better..

i was asking if people thought (regardless of everything we already know) that wendy and lisa would be down.

like. all other obvous factors aside.

whether its apparent or not by this post, Lotusflower/MPLS are imo some of princes greatest work...for various reasons...i'm really really not one of those who wants the past back cuz i cant accept the present..

all i was saying is...as i grow older as a fan...and get to the point where i've listened to his entire catalouge at least 5+ times over by now...

i get the feeling the the revolution were a key to prince nelson becoming "THE one and only/amazing/neverbeanother PRINCE"

and i see why his biographers all seem to say that

and why older fans adored these years of his (i didnt understand that when i first got on to prince...i started out with 90's prince and a greatest hit CD)

SUPRMAN said:

honestly? i dont think it would change at all. i dont think prince can do things anyway but his. i think it is his greatest virture and worse vice. again, i was just curious as to what people thought WENDY AND LISA (and the rest- sorry to center on them) would be open to

SUPRMAN said:

if you're suggesting by quoting a prince song in order to defend what i believe is his person ideology (unless im misunderstanding you). fine. i'm instincually devoted.

but if his bios and interviews and etc are anywhere near true....then it is a known fact (whether i chose ot back this with lyrics or not) that prince would rather make music than lounge and drink

that was my only point in quoting "new power generation"

SUPRMAN said:

why bother giving him a second chance? the possiblity or beautiful music (can we at least agree that- nothing created by a group of artists in tandum, can be replicated by any of the individuals?...this is what im suggesting)


wasnt it prince who didnt want to? yes...thats why i doubt it would ever truly happen. thats also why in the original post i laughed at the thought of prince "playing nice"




thank you for asking me all this directly

toots said:

why come back to post on it then?

no disrespect...i just dont get it


i mean...assuming we've both been fans long enough to know this topic will be pondered over again and again..

why not just ignore it if you feel everything that needs to be said on the topic has already been discussed?
[Edited 4/17/09 18:08pm]

SirPsycho said:

y not just ignore this issue at all that's been dragged through the mud more times than it should have been?

I am a huge Revolution fan. I'd love to see them get back together, just cause I never saw them the first time around. I was 14 when they broke up and I lived in a small town.

It would be fun, Prince and the Revolution for one last go. Or perhaps he could break them out periodically. I always thought they broke up prematurely.

Add Shelia, Eric leeds Mat Blistan, Eddie M... and that's a seriously fun show. Bring back the Oberheim Obxa synths, too.

while I'll admit, I'm nostalgic, I think it also is true that The Revolution was one of the most amazing bands that ever was. I think persons around here often forget that fact in an effort to defend Princes more current music and choices.

Everyone in that band was special... just focus on Mark and Matt, how fucking ON FIRE was their playing? Everyone in that band had chemistry together. They were irreplaceable in alot of ways. I will always love The Revolution. That was a band for the history books and they should be celebrated.

L4OATheOriginal said:

so what you're saying is you don't have an answer?...

Hasn't the Rev done a little reunion only sans a little guitarist? Like, in early 2000and...some...thing or another? I actually think they'd be willing, So its Prince that's the monkey wrench.
So, yeah, it would be possible.
I mean, I'm sure a lot of those...nostalgic folks would love it. And all those Purple Rain bandwagon fans would love it.
So, if P was "alright, guys." Then I'm sure the Rev would tag along, provided my first sentence isn't bullshit.

SirPsycho said:

Appearently YOU need to re read ur own responce and come up with a answer as well.

Seriously IF u already know that this topic has been so called pondered over and over again why make another sensless thread?

IF u mean no disrespect to me why even make a big deal that I keep saying its a beating a deadhorse topic? Many others are saying something along these lines within their posts and yet I get singled out. PUH-LEASE

I can comment as long as I do not insult you therefore I have not. But I ONLY stated an opinion about such topic.

To bad you can't respect my opinion and not make a big deal of it.

I would guess that -- for the most part -- the bandmates have probably moved on. Creatively, I think the real contribution/collaboration we'd like to see would be with W&L and P.

He still tries to farm out freebie music projects for his albums, from what I understand from a recent Wendy comment. So, I think he at least tacitly acknowledges their impact on him as an artist.

But so much of what Prince does is about maintaining control. There's no detailed explanation of the women's contributions to Planet Earth, for example. That kind of seems a continuation of P's vague references when the Revolution was still together. And, at least in the case of W&L, they don't seem to need a reunion.

I mean, without P, they produced an "Are You My Baby?"

But, I've never heard him, without them, produce a "Mother of Pearl" or "Don't Try to Tell Me."

toots said:

ok..ok...i get it... it is a free world

by all means...go right ahead

ThreadBare said:

good call

exactly what i was getting at

ToraToraDreams said:

see....tora gets me

SirPsycho said:

my answer was several posts back ..the revolution is dead ..long live the new power generation

ThreadBare said:

and with him they never got dropped from a label

without him they've gotten dropped 2 times already so ur point is?

u want 2 go classics? okay without wendy and lisa there have been adore, the whole lovesexy album, 7, days of wild ..shall i go on?

I think what we have got to look at is that as a musician, when you are respected enough to get the chance to work w/ anyone you want, any musician on earth will take full advantage of that. Why not work w/ different people, and try out different sounds, and see what you come up with? What you learn from these collaborations you can always bring back to your original bandmates/friends- again, not sure all bandmates were friends, but definetly the early ones were.
I dont think at all that it would appear desparate or pitiful to reunite w/ the Revolution. I think it could lead to some great new interesting material. Not only has P worked w/ various others but so have the former Revolution bandmembers worked w/ others. And, much is to be said about being older- they may now refuse to do some things they did when they were younger and just glad to be in a working band... I really think if they ignored the pleas from fans and just worked on new material they could come up w/ some very interesting stuff. (I also wouldnt mind hearing them rework some old tunes or just flat out play the old tunes- though I would be most interested in hearing what they might create together now, as older, wiser, more experienced musicians)!

SirPsycho said:

WOULD they do it if Prince asked them to? Probably. Sounds like a money-maker for all involved

SHOULD they do it? No, IMO. First of all, The Revolution was much less about a being a collaborative BAND than about fulfilling Prince's vision of having a fully integrated multi-racial, multi-sexual, androgenous image. Second of all, from a strictly musical standpoint, this wasn't Prince's best group of musicians. The NPG added much more personality to his sound. The Revolution rarely sounded as if they contributed much beyond playing what Prince told them to play and how to play it.

While it makes for an interesting concept to think about what a record would sound like of Prince fully collaborating with people he never really collaborated with the first place, it doesn't make a lot of sense.

A reunion tour for nostalgia's sake would probably be a big money-maker, but I'm not that sure Prince is that interested in nostalgia.
[Edited 4/18/09 14:25pm]

SirPsycho said:

Can you tell me when/where this pic is from?

keywhiz said:

i googled prince and the revolution

SirPsycho said:

So you don't know that date when it was taken?

keywhiz said:

no, but the outfits scream parade tour

keywhiz said:

It's the cover of Rolling Stone, no. 472, April 1986.

L4OATheOriginal said:

1) In the 1990s, numerous artists who sold far more product than Wendy & Lisa got dropped from their labels. Within the context of Prince and label security, asserting they were safer with him misses the point that they were his employees.

2) See #1. The Org is full of folks complaining about huge talents being dropped by their labels while less-talented people get tons of airplay.

3) I never said Prince stopped writing good music when they were gone. I agree with SirPsycho and others who say his writing has fallen off sharply since then. And, I hold to the point that his non-r&b stuff has been marked by a mostly downward trend. He still has done funky stuff. But, with the experimental fusion of jazz/classical/rock/funk and new age that Wendy & Lisa do so well largely gone from his music, a dimension has been missing since the Parade/SOTT-era work. And, that was my point in comparing their song stylings.

ThreadBare said:

madhouse
news
xpecation
ona tour

the jazz fusion has never been stronger imo

the revolution is very overated and it relates more 2 some fans wanting 2 c them back 2gether only because of purple rain nostalgia then actual musicianship.

L4OATheOriginal said:

Again, I'm acknowledging a sound broader than jazz fusion, when discussing Wendy & Lisa (their sound draws a lot on classical and new age, too). But, let's take a moment to examine Prince as a jazz fusion artist. (I do not count Madhouse, because many of those tracks were just instrumental dance jams. Funky. Great hooks. Nice. But, pretty homogeneous.)

The jazz fusion has never been stronger in emphasis, perhaps. But it hasn't been well-executed fusion. The vamp on "The Man in Your Life," for example: weak. Prince ruined a fairly decent rock song by trying to turn it into jazz. And, it stank to high heaven. "NEWS" was fun, but it was a far cry from, say, "Bitches Brew."

My goodness. My thoughts on fusion run more along the lines of Stanley Clarke, Chick Corea, John Patitucci. Marcus Miller. The Crusaders. Meshell Ndegeocello, even. David Sanborn. The Yellowjackets. Pat Methany. Herbie Hancock.

Prince is a killer r&b/pop icon who has dabbled in jazz. To suggest accomplishments in jazz deeper than that or on par with folks like those I've just mentioned would epitomize generosity.

And, I would assert that a lot of the folks, if not most, who praise Wendy & Lisa's chops (and Prince's) are very often musicians in our own right. Not simply nostalgic '80s kids.


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[Edited 4/18/09 20:46pm]

I'm sure all involved will probably do a Revolution tour. I remember this topic coming up several times before. I was a purple rain baby and as much as I loved that era I've kind of moved on and when I saw Prince Lisa and Wendy on the Brits Awards tour and Prince and Wendy in Minneapolis, I was like okay cool but not wowed. Just by witnessing the reaction of that insane line outside of First Avenue in 2007 when it was announced Prince was returning there for the aftershow, I think the reaction of a Revolution reunion tour would be the same, a true money maker.

But to me, I know this is so far off and probably will never happen, a true reunion show, is the band before the Revolution. A reunion with Prince Andre and Dez is something I would pay top dollars for because that was one Prince phase I never got to live through and I would love to see that. I just think they are the forgotten ones because the Revolution era was so massive, but that's just me dreaming out loud.

bobbyc17 said:

Agree and I believe he would have a been there done that type of answer and would like to work with talented artists that he finds will currently enhance his work.