Because I know songs like Lady Cab Driver, Automatic, Le Grind and Hide the Bone maybe? lol
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Lotusflow3r, have no idea what Princes music is originally about?

Or to put it more blunt, don't even understand what good music means?

Riverpoet31 said:

It seems to me that you have such a low opinion of your own feelings about these records that you must lash out and insult anyone who might not agree with you.

If you can't understand that a person's taste in music is subjective then you really shouldn't be posting in a place intended for free thought and discussion.

Riverpoet31 said:

Yes, those beats on 1999 were so creativ that even he wasnt able to play them live on real drums. From a musician point of view thats bull shit.....Maybe he was one of the first that got this kind of drum mashine and tried something new, but i dont see it as groundbreaking and it will never replace a live drums and the feelings.....

You´re absolutely right about the Linn programming on 1999 and on many other songs in the years 1982-1988. It wasn´t about using the Linn LM1 but about how he would program the beats, how he experimented with it, using guitar flangers and whatnot for certain effects, recording a beat in reverse mode etc. etc., and the beats themselves were of course much more creative.

However, as a long time fan myself, I must admit that I immensely enjoy MPLSound so far and that is probably because I put the whole album in a different context and because I had VERY low expectations to begin with after hearing the snippets on his website.
He´ll never make another Ballad Of Dorothy Parker, another Lady Cab Driver or another Something In The Water, and he´s for sure far away from creating another When Doves Cry, and yes, there´s more Linn drum creativity and experimentation going on in single songs such as Raspberry Beret or She´s Always In My Hair than on the whole MPLSound album but that doesn´t mean I have to hate that album. It is what it is and it´s good to see that he´s having fun again and that he´s not coming off in a patronizing manner again.
Sure, just listening to the first few seconds of She´s Always In My Hair still gives me the chills "Linn"wise but I really don´t expect him to come up with stuff like that anymore.
But this MPLSound album has at least a little bit of urgency behind it. Instead of coasting or catering to a certain audience he´s just having fun.
Songs like Dance 4 Me are today´s Erotic City. That´s as far as he´ll ever come close to that quality again, and I´m not talking about "dirty" lyrics, those never really meant that much to me but I´m talking about catchy beats and hooks.
Valentina has weird lyrics but the melody, the guitar solo and the beat are , IMO, some of the best he´s put out in years.I wish the song had different lyrics.
I look at it more as a nice inbetween project, a fun thing rather than an album of someone who is hungry and on the verge of a breakthrough, which was clearly the case with 1999 and Purple Rain.
A lot of musicians past their prime or past a certain age lost their fire and creativity in the past and , compared to many other musicians, Prince still comes up with fun stuff like this and is still like a reflection of what´s currently "hip" and happening in the music and entertainment industry.

You prefer his creative 1980s output but keep in mind that the music scene ,his peers and the whole "zeitgeist" were completely different back then. I often see a lot of his current behaviour either as a reflection of or a reaction against what´s currently happening in the world of music, entertainment and , to an extent,politics.

KoolEaze said:

riverpoet,the first time I hear mplsound I was thinking it was a shit. cheap sound, teen-ager chorus, the same pink-ponk-co-clonk drums sound in all the cd. in a word: an immature opera from a too-old pop star trying to pretend to be young.
ok, the second time I hear it, I thinked that the cd was a shit, but one of the most coherent shit he ever did. I think mplsound is the most coherent opera from, boh, dirty mind? prince has got a lot of money, he can call people from the word to play ukulele and medieval rebecca if he want to do. and he decide to do an entire cd using cheap loop, silly drum machine, poor synth sounds, and need-more-pheromone 17 years old chorus. This is not a way to be in top-chart music, this is a artistic choice. He choices, 50 years old man, after news, the rainbow children, xptetation, to sit down beside a macintosh and play with simple chorus, creating a cd from nothing if not his voice and his silly chorus. and entire cd. is like as the european prince that composed "the truth" goes out of the studio and comes in a silly prince, that want to have fun with music and make silly things. and finally do it without fear.
the thing makes me save this cd, is that here *I can here a prince having fun*. it is a looooong time I wan not hearing prince having fun while he is making music... I can here this prince here, and I can not here this prince in lotus for example.

So. It is a shit, but a real nice, funny and important shit, imho.

And, yes, "here" is wonderful.


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Riverpoet31 said:

Old School Company is no funk?

Do u know funk & what it is?

With a comment like that I don't think so!

Lotusflow3r, have no idea what Princes music is originally about?

Or to put it more blunt, don't even understand what good music means?

Its not that I personally see Lotusflow3r as a musical masterpiece, but compared to MPLsound it almost is.

On Lotusflow3r, Prince shows he is still 'hungry' about how his music should sound, he is still trying new things, and still seems to dare himself.

MPLsound appears like a calculated attempt to copy his followers, without a lack of understanding what made his music great in the first place.

No single programmed linn-beat or composition on MPLsound can measure up with what a great electro-funk album like 1999 has to offer.

The fact you can hear a linn drum, or some cheap sounding synths on the album, doesnt make it comparable to an album like 1999, it first of all shows too many people are way too easy jumping on, based on superficial elements.

1999 is a great, innovative, very influential album: 9 out of 10.

MPLsound is a disaster: mistaking bubblegum dance-pop with great, innovative dance-music, offering very mediocre compositions, and lacking any funk. To put it simple: 4 out of 10.

Riverpoet31 said:

i agree but let's shed the light on the musicians that played on that CD - MPLS is in fact a cheesy attempt at sounding funky imo - The problem i see with this new CD is that its too much Prince., its good to feel the energy of other musicians and songwriters collaborations on a project than just yours - Prince didn't make 1999 - Prince and Revolution created 1999.. and if you don't believe it look on the album cover and it says Prince and the Revolution spelled backgrounds..

Right now what I would like to see happen is for Prince to tour the country and release unreleased music as albums.

And the Bria CD is GAWD AWFUL! As much as I want to like "Home" it doesnt go any where and that's what i make of the songs that are on her project.. they never mover.. LotusFlower I have no comment for that CD - Only song I like on there is "Dreamer" ..

I've been a P-fan since 1982 and i've come to understand that everything he creates aint GOLD - but this time he fell real short, I dont know his motive for release this project was it for fans or to get new fans, is he trying to prove to us that he's still funky or relevant or to others..

what i did get pissed about is how he wanted to give props to the white house for being a brown house but yet he didn't even vote,, lol - u can't claim 2 be down unless u r down..

OzlemUcucu said:

Lotus Flow3r is commerical? What radio stations are you listening to? Looked at the charts lately?

As for Riverpoet's original post, others have said it before, but let me reiterate: The arrogance and nerve you've displayed here is frankly stunning. There's certainly nothing wrong with stating your opinions and disagreeing with other's appreciation for music you dislike, but you've just about laid a textbook example of how not engage discussion here. Shameful.

Riverpoet31 said:

Let me explain:
Lotus is not following his muse, he is following the commercial shit, which is fine, cause there are fans who like the commercial site of him and his music.

Mplsound, now pprince cant follow the producers popular at this moment, because those producers have copied prince sound for many years, so it cant be Prince copying them.

MPLS is the orginal, Lotus is commercial!

kjamal said:

OMG so u really think the "revolution" made 1999 huh? then perhaps u should take out the album and look under every track on who per4med on the tracks ..so i guess prince and the revolution made darling nikki, the beautiful ones and when doves cry right?

Old School Company = a slowed down version of Push it Up = not funky at all..

I agree with 1 thing Prince sang on "Ol' School Company"

"Every other song on the radio = Me!"

I laughed when I heard that line..

Lotusflow3r, have no idea what Princes music is originally about?

Or to put it more blunt, don't even understand what good music means?

Its not that I personally see Lotusflow3r as a musical masterpiece, but compared to MPLsound it almost is.

On Lotusflow3r, Prince shows he is still 'hungry' about how his music should sound, he is still trying new things, and still seems to dare himself.

MPLsound appears like a calculated attempt to copy his followers, without a lack of understanding what made his music great in the first place.

No single programmed linn-beat or composition on MPLsound can measure up with what a great electro-funk album like 1999 has to offer.

The fact you can hear a linn drum, or some cheap sounding synths on the album, doesnt make it comparable to an album like 1999, it first of all shows too many people are way too easy jumping on, based on superficial elements.

1999 is a great, innovative, very influential album: 9 out of 10.

MPLsound is a disaster: mistaking bubblegum dance-pop with great, innovative dance-music, offering very mediocre compositions, and lacking any funk. To put it simple: 4 out of 10.

how about we take a poll of those that like mplsound and those that don't just based on this thread alone..and afterwards we'll c who has "no clue about music" and those that do


i like mplsound


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