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Reply #30 posted 03/28/09 11:52am

JOYJOY

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Spank86 said:
I'm from England and I only have a debit card (difficult to get a bank account without one). No credit card. I joined up no problem at all.


There are many people who dont currently have a bank account, and use those check cashing places to get their money and pay their bills with cash via paypoints or some similar system (since post offices and banks are in decline).

These people are not rich but not poor, what they shouldnt have any musical taste? WE who can afford it should be the only one's with access to Prince's music? wink

I couldnt always afford to buy his records so my friends and I would club together buy a record and make tapes so we could ALL enjoy the music. not everyone had satellite TV so we would gather around at the houses of those who did to watch MTV.

I honestly see no difference between doing that and finding some of his material for free on the web. I guess im naive lol
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Reply #31 posted 03/28/09 11:54am

realm

Serena said:

So because someone doesn't have money for something, they should still get it for free, while all the rest of us pay for it...ok. nuts


Yeah, thats what the banking system just did. They lent out money they didn't have and replenished bank with tax payer dollars so they could continue. It's the American way to steal even to steal legally.
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Reply #32 posted 03/28/09 11:57am

Thex

What a boring moaning thread by some miserable so and so who is miffed at throwing $77 down the toilet.

Get over it and move on.

Theres more to life than a Prince website.
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Reply #33 posted 03/28/09 11:58am

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Serena said:


So because someone doesn't have money for something, they should still get it for free, while all the rest of us pay for it...ok. nuts



Yes it's what is known by crazy folk like myself as being CHARITABLE Serena... razz lol
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Reply #34 posted 03/28/09 12:07pm

Spank86

JOYJOY said:

Spank86 said:
I'm from England and I only have a debit card (difficult to get a bank account without one). No credit card. I joined up no problem at all.


There are many people who dont currently have a bank account, and use those check cashing places to get their money and pay their bills with cash via paypoints or some similar system (since post offices and banks are in decline).

These people are not rich but not poor, what they shouldnt have any musical taste? WE who can afford it should be the only one's with access to Prince's music? wink

I couldnt always afford to buy his records so my friends and I would club together buy a record and make tapes so we could ALL enjoy the music. not everyone had satellite TV so we would gather around at the houses of those who did to watch MTV.

I honestly see no difference between doing that and finding some of his material for free on the web. I guess im naive lol
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If they don't have bank accounts then there's probably a reason for that. Choices they made in the past that musta got them completely blacklisted. I mean you can set up a bank account with £10, if you've got £60 it shouldn't be too hard.

Now if you and your friends clubbed together and paid the 77 between you i would count that as fair game,
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Reply #35 posted 03/28/09 12:23pm

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Spank86 said:


If they don't have bank accounts then there's probably a reason for that. Choices they made in the past that musta got them completely blacklisted. I mean you can set up a bank account with £10, if you've got £60 it shouldn't be too hard.


Babes not everyone can get bank account, a common reason for some people is that they dont earn enough for the banks or building societies to see them as a good customer. others dont have a passport, not everyone leaves the country you know lol

Some people are bankcrupts and I can appreciate that.


Now if you and your friends clubbed together and paid the 77 between you i would count that as fair game,


I totally agree with you there! razz
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Reply #36 posted 03/28/09 12:36pm

Spank86

JOYJOY said:


Babes not everyone can get bank account, a common reason for some people is that they dont earn enough for the banks or building societies to see them as a good customer. others dont have a passport, not everyone leaves the country you know lol

Some people are bankcrupts and I can appreciate that.



If they don't earn enough to have a bank account then I would class them as poor since I had one when I was earning £20 a week.

I also didn't have a passport just a couple of bills registered to my address with my name on them.

Of course bankruptcy is a good reason for not having an account but then that was a choice made, and usually a lot of other peoples money defaulted on. Bankruptcy has to have some drawbacks to it or everyone would do it.
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Reply #37 posted 03/28/09 1:34pm

Serena

JOYJOY said:

Serena said:


So because someone doesn't have money for something, they should still get it for free, while all the rest of us pay for it...ok. nuts



Yes it's what is known by crazy folk like myself as being CHARITABLE Serena... razz lol
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lol Well, since you don't OWN the videos or pictures on the site, you're being charitable with someone else's property...sweet!

If you want to be charitable, do something that matters in the world, not justify theft.
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Reply #38 posted 03/28/09 1:44pm

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Serena said:

JOYJOY said:




Yes it's what is known by crazy folk like myself as being CHARITABLE Serena... razz lol
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lol Well, since you don't OWN the videos or pictures on the site, you're being charitable with someone else's property...sweet!

If you want to be charitable, do something that matters in the world, not justify theft.
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ooh lets get one thing out in the open hon, I havent bought then shared any info from LF, but would like to add I dont actually believe it is theft to share something I've paid for... I will agree to differ with you on this as im certain you'll not agree razz
Would you like some popcorn just bought it freshly popped popcorn


cant spell edit razz
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Reply #39 posted 03/28/09 1:51pm

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Thex said:

What a boring moaning thread by some miserable so and so who is miffed at throwing $77 down the toilet.

Get over it and move on.

Theres more to life than a Prince website.


piss off then lol
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Reply #40 posted 03/28/09 1:57pm

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RumAndRaisin said:

Thex said:

What a boring moaning thread by some miserable so and so who is miffed at throwing $77 down the toilet.

Get over it and move on.

Theres more to life than a Prince website.


piss off then lol

lol lol
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Reply #41 posted 03/28/09 2:13pm

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Serena said:

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My point is that people feel like he hasn't "Freed the Music" because he's made a lot less material (both new and old) available for purchase than people expected back then.

Hence they deliver some payback by pirating. Again, I'm not justifying that, but I do think it's a part of the psychology.


Yeah, that's how they FEEL, but that doesn't make it right. What Prince wants to release is his decision, sure I want everything like everyone else, but I WANT to compensate him for it. I think the exact opposite of a lot of people, I think they SHOULD join just to pay him back for any unofficial product they have. I've tried to even out my Karma by always buying multiple official releases, concert tickets for me/friends, memorabilia, making donations to his & his associates' charities and never bitching about any pricing (I HAVE NO RIGHT TO and I know/admit it!). lol

Not to get all sappy, but I've made so many good friends and get so much enjoyment out of his performances and music that I truly feel I can't repay him. Geez, when you think that something you paid $10-$15 for (and he got about .10 off that sale back then), 25 years ago, can still make you smile and move, it's pretty special. Of course, the memories I have from live shows, the Celebrations, etc. are priceless and I wouldn't have them if it wasn't for him, so I'm grateful instead of hateful. (CORNY!!!!!) err


I like that. But I also don't mind subsidizing other Prince fans.
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Reply #42 posted 03/28/09 2:19pm

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SUPRMAN said:



I like that. But I also don't mind subsidizing other Prince fans.



yeahthat
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Reply #43 posted 03/28/09 4:27pm

Serena

JOYJOY said:

SUPRMAN said:



I like that. But I also don't mind subsidizing other Prince fans.



yeahthat


That's cool, how many memberships have you guys sponsored?
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Reply #44 posted 03/28/09 4:32pm

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This thread is f'n stupid. neutral
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Reply #45 posted 03/28/09 4:58pm

Spank86

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ooh lets get one thing out in the open hon, I havent bought then shared any info from LF, but would like to add I dont actually believe it is theft to share something I've paid for... I will agree to differ with you on this as im certain you'll not agree razz
Would you like some popcorn just bought it freshly popped popcorn


cant spell edit razz
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I see where you're coming from and I can agree that sharing music with your close friends is (swapping cd's and whatnot) is not really a prosecutable offence, but we did all agree to terms and conditions and none of them said "you can share with other people if you feel like it"

Face it, it;s a contract, we all signed, some people broke it. unless part of it is clearly against the law it's enforceable (and I didn't notice any illegal bits)
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Reply #46 posted 03/29/09 7:44am

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2elijah said:

Obviously it had to be from some fans who joined the site and ripped them off somehow and posted them elsewhere, just like some fans who took the 3 songs he released and posted them on other sites, then people wonder why he's protective over his material.
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the biggest enemy of prince is his fans

cheers!
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Reply #47 posted 03/29/09 7:45am

7e7e7

Serena said:

JOYJOY said:

What about the people who has paid membership yet are STILL unable to download the music, or navigate the site

What about the European fans who can afford the site but cant join because the site doesnt accept their payment details? Patience is a virtue yes but not every one has it, or lost it quickly this past week.

What about the fans who wish to have a look at the site but honestly CANT afford it?

Lastly what about all the fans worldwide who dont own credit cards?

wink
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The people who've paid and are still having problems are a different story than Joe Public. There are ways to help fellow (or future) members without releasing stuff to the general public.

Why don't people get that there are things in life we can't all have all the time? What about me? I can't afford to buy a bunch of Prince stuff off eBay that I'd like, so should the sellers just give it to me instead?

If you don't have a credit card you can't do a lot of shit nowadays, but there are workarounds like pre-paid VISAs and MCs.


yeah! that's what a club is for!

cheers!
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Reply #48 posted 03/29/09 7:46am

Dayclear

If Prince's people want to do something about it they will. who in their right mind didn't KNOW it would happen anyway??!
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Reply #49 posted 03/29/09 7:49am

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Serena said:

BanishedBrian said:


Those are all fair sentiments, but keep in mind that Prince has largely backtracked on things he's stated in the past, whether in interviews, press releases, or otherwise.

The SLAVE Prince told fans that freeing himself of the WB chains would allow him to release a lot more material than he has ultimately done. There are probably a lot of reasons why it's ended up that way, but part of it has to do with the fact that his current beliefs make him turn his back on a lot of what he did back then.

The argument that it's his music and his right to do what he want with it has some merit, but then he should have said that from the beginning instead of lobbying his fanbase to pressure WB for years only for him to have a change of heart about it.

Lastly, I disagree slightly with the argument that it's his right to decide what does and doesn't see the light of day. If you take his view that the songs are his children, does a parent own a child and have a right to dictate everything about their life, or do you eventually have to let it go?

It's one thing if Prince wants to keep all of the money off his work. I totally respect that. It's another if he wants to bury it because he's decided he doesn't like what it represents.


We're getting way too broad here, but what does it matter if Prince said something many years ago? We're dealing with the here and now and whether or not it's right to take stuff you haven't paid for.

God forbid people should hold me to the stupid shit I've said and done over the past 30 years.

As for the children part, I'm a mother who will be protective of her child until the day I die. Even after they grow up, they're still your children. Now, since his songs aren't living creatures that mature without his input, then yes, he should have full control as long as HE wants.
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music is a business children!

cheers
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Reply #50 posted 03/29/09 7:50am

7e7e7

Dayclear said:

If Prince's people want to do something about it they will. who in their right mind didn't KNOW it would happen anyway??!


yeah! what dayclear said!

cheers!
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