IstenSzek said: please forgive this long and silly review but i wrote it as i
listened and just put down whatever came to mind listening. from the lotus... the album opens with the ambient/psychedelic music that was montaged on the lotusflower preview that ran on the small tv. after that the track segues into what sounds very much like the coda of the title track from the rainbow children album. from the fast ticking sound of what appears to be a metronome to the guitar fills. nice way to set the mood. drums are fierce and crisp. boom starts out with that reverby echo laden dolphin/strays of the world sound that "crimson and clover" has as well. beautiful vocal track, also similar to the one on "crimson and clover". i'm dying to hear them segue into one another on the cd release. nice full sound and yet not over stuffed or over produced. weird vocal effects and a bit of backmasking on inbetween the refrains? also the lyrics are enigmatic enough not to be considered "too religious" if anything the talk of obelisx and primordeal space sound new age lite, like something you can tailor to your own like. what i like most about this is that even if the track was not called boom you would still go "boom" at the exact time he says it. cool. the morning after i'm not convinced about this one. perhaps i just dislike it since it has replaced crimson and clover on this version of the album. i just don't think it fits that well, although, fcuz prince does and he knows best i guess. all the ingredients of this song are top notch but the sum of the parts lacks magic. it sounds only a little bit better than most of planet earth. 4Ever i never really like these songs with multi vocal track chorus that is just a chant. the song feels a little bit too much like others before (she loves me 4 me and everywhere come to mind immediately). nice album track but nothing i would listen to on it's own because i was desperate to hear it again. colonized mind if you're a prince fan you must have been living under a rock if you haven't heard this one yet. mellow track, pushed forward by the guitar until the steady (once again perfect) drums kick in and give it more beef. the lyrics of the first chorus are the most outspoken religous lyrics on the album, i think. the song is a big winner in most respects but i can't help but feel a little bit uneasy when he starts singing about intelligent design. the two songs that come to mind most when listening to this are Calhoun Sq and Beautiful Strange, especially their live renditions circa 2002. feel good, feel better, feel wonderful thank god he left the vocal track untouched when he polished up the song. it's one of my fav vocal tracks of the last decade. especially the second verse. "i might be the same one that tapped on the crack" oh lord. i love the way prince just spits like a train rolling down a track and all the while the backingband counters his vocals ever so slightly. the image i get from listening to this is prince on a crowded street somewhere in spain, screaming the lyrics as he struts down the sidewalk with various bandmembers in tow joined here and there by the locals. it's that walking beat and the fun, the sense of searching that was most evident circa 1994. looooove this one. love like jazz both this and the next track feel like summer holiday resort late night pool schmoozing. lol. prince style though. classy yet a bit unnerving. the 70s mid-afternoon cocktails n jazz xylophone fills are very funny and lift the mood. i adore the way he croons the title of the song twice during the end of the song before there's a guitarsolo in two parts that starts slow and seductive and ends up ushering the song out with a quickly raising pulse. 77 beverly place starts with what sounds like the death rattle of a thumping rock song with a woman out of breath, gasping and post coital. only to very weirdly abruptly give way to a greek-ish holiday summer sun and siesta on a sofa in the garden of a spanish villa, lol. it's a nice pallete cleanser and a light note in a heavy, dense album and i like it for that. the schism between the opening seconds and the rest of the song is still quite disturbingly weird tho. wall of berlin another one most people know by now. the beat is nice, typical michael b, sonny t and prince jamsession stuff. although it's got lots of temo shifts and amazing guitar and drums it's also got very silly lyrics and yet another outdated mention of the wall of berlin. how did he get locked on that one after all this time? (remember the ending of 3121?). still the song is a definite keeper for the guitar and drum track alone. something weird i noticed is the "shout out" or whatever at the beginning of this track, it almost sounds like a radio dj, not very cool, or well, perhaps cool, but strange. $ i'm already deeply in love with the segue between this one and wall of berlin. reminds me of lovesexy/parade segues. the song itself is deceivingly simple. it's instantly catchy but to the point where i found myself thinking "is this all? isn't this just too easy for prince?" but the keyboard, the horn stabs and the relentless tempo crawl under your skin and especially with those sped up -almost camille like but not quite- vocals it's an instant stepper. no wonder "dancing" is mentioned so many times in the lyrics. that's what it sounds like, like dancing. dreamer *funkface goes here* by now you're expecting you've probably heard all the album has to offer and it will probably close with a ballad. uhm, no. if ever the advise to hold on to yer wig was called for it is now. prince sings/speaks/shouts or just plain "coolspeaks" topical lyrics that speak directly to the imagination. the imagery of the lyrics is bleak and hard, confronting and at the same time hopefull. and then the guitar comes down, as hard as the confrontation in the lyrics. soaring above and beyond and thank god not reigned in like on so many previous releases. the guitar SPEAKS to you. it lashes out and growls and then it soars freely till the song reaches it's climax in groans and mumbled hushed lyrics before prince says "....wake up, wake up" hardest rocking song he did in like, forever. ...back to the lotus a continuation of the opening instrumental track although this time with more hushed, deep and distorted vocals. is this a poem being recited? halfway through prince starts to moan, ooh and aah in distorted vocals sounding like a lover, a ghost and a wild animal in turns until the track slows down and the fast paced guitar eases out into what sounds like a portion of the end of N.E.W.S.'s "north". more distorted incomprehensible vocals, and more weird sighs and gasps. noodling guitar, drumm rolls, static and reverb. it feels like a wind blowing over the surface of a distant planet with the voice of the last human softly, echoingly transmitted into nothingness. AMEN. hallelujah. ----- I couldn't even try to describe these songs as good as you. My only complaint is 4EVER. Completely out of place on this album. | |
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coltrane3 said: I'm a Prince fan who has admittedly lost interest over time. I do buy all of his releases and there is always something that I like, a track here, a track there, but, overall the last few albums really didn't excite me.
I was very sceptical about lotusflower But, I actually love it. It's eclectic, yet cohesive. It sounds like Prince, but it's not just a rehash. It's fresh. I remember when Michelle Ndegeocello's "The World Has Made me the Man of My Dreams" was released last year, there was a thread, and some people posited that this was the sort of far flung, interesting album that Prince should be making. And, he did just that. Lotusflower is like Prince meets N'Degeocello meets Steely Dan, meets Funkadelic. I love the instrumentals, and I love the Crimson and Clover cover (I can honestly say that I like all versions - Tommy James, Joan Jett, and now Prince) Colonized Mind and Love Like Jazz are fantastic. Wall of Berlin and Back to the Lotus are incredible. There is not one song that I would skip. Nothing here offends. I'm really digging this CD. I love your take on this album and I also was reminded of MeShell's "TWHMMTMOMD" and Steely Dan. I also hear a hint of Joni Mitchell's "Car On A Hill" on "Love Like Jazz" | |
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Lovin' this album! RIP, mom. I will forever miss and love you. | |
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psychodelicide said: Lovin' this album!
Likewise. Even songs like Back to the Lotus, Love Like Jazz, and 77 Beverley Park sound good now. Again, I can't emphasize enough what a fantastic job Prince has done on the production side of this album. Countless songs from his later work were plagued by either stale production effects (Incense and Candles), a lack of reverb (almost every song on Musicology), or poor choices in the mixing (see: the muted sounding guitar in Fury). LOTUSFLOW3R suffers from no such problems whatsoever, and I no longer feel he needs anyone to produce his work. The world is a comedy for those who think and a tragedy for those who feel.
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PurpleKnight said: psychodelicide said: Lovin' this album!
Likewise. Even songs like Back to the Lotus, Love Like Jazz, and 77 Beverley Park sound good now. Again, I can't emphasize enough what a fantastic job Prince has done on the production side of this album. Countless songs from his later work were plagued by either stale production effects (Incense and Candles), a lack of reverb (almost every song on Musicology), or poor choices in the mixing (see: the muted sounding guitar in Fury). LOTUSFLOW3R suffers from no such problems whatsoever, and I no longer feel he needs anyone to produce his work. RIP, mom. I will forever miss and love you. | |
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I'm sorry peeps, I'm not feeling this whole 3 CD project. It's just self-indulgent. The only glimpse of his genius is in the song Valentina. Not even the instrumental stuff has anything. Prince has resorted to using auto-tune on his vocals. Prince was a trend setter, now he's just following trends. I'll just listen to Valentina | |
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Im listening to Lotusflow3er in my livingroom with headphones and a glass of wine at 2am in the morning..to me this his Prince's best work in years.Feeling wonderful | |
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I haven't had time to search through all the pages of this thread, but riddle me this (please):
Has anybody popped their (Target) copies of Lotusflow3r and MPLSOUND into their computer to listen on windows media and gotten completely incorrect track lists!? The music is fine - it's correct. *AND I'M ENJOYING IT!!! I'm just bugging out about the wrong track names. When I play Lotusflow3r, my tracks listed are the complete "1999" album tracks!!!! When I play the MPLSOUND cd, the tracks listed are the complete "Lovesexy" album tracks!!! I don't have that either one of those cds anywhere else on my computer so it's not that kind of mix-up. Maybe I found the Golden Ticket!!!! LOL | |
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colonized mind (like this song alot, it is overflowing with truth- has alot substance).
77 beverly place: (beautiful instrumental, very italian) crimson and clover (cool) 4 ever (over my head) back to the lotus (makes me want to run and hide, the song is creepy... Don't care of the rest of this album.[u] | |
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I still need to get the physical CD. Is The Morning After really not on it? Just replaced with Crimson & Clover and removed entirely? The world is a comedy for those who think and a tragedy for those who feel.
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PurpleKnight said: I still need to get the physical CD. Is The Morning After really not on it? Just replaced with Crimson & Clover and removed entirely?
You are correct. I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that | |
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That's good news. Crimson & Clover is a great rock interpretation, while The Morning After had the sound of a hastily thrown on consolation prize. Honestly, I think he panicked at the last minute and dug that track up from the Vault to avoid any royalty issues with the downloads. The world is a comedy for those who think and a tragedy for those who feel.
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danzakairos said: colonized mind (like this song alot, it is overflowing with truth- has alot substance)
And slugs love salt. | |
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'Colonized Mind' has me transported to some other place. Has to be added among my all-time favourite Prince tracks. The guitar, vocals ... it all works for me.
'Dreamer', 'Wall of Berlin', 'Crimson & Clover' and 'Boom' are all first-rate. Love the guitar work and warmth of the sounds. It's heaviness. I'm particularly pleased that none of these songs are over-produced and have been kept quite raw. 'Feel Good, Feel Better, Feel Wonderful' is a prime organic funk jam that is a good counterpoint for the electronic funk of 'MPLSound.' The jazzier, non-guitar'funk tracks are perhaps the biggest growers; after repeated listens 'Love Like Jazz' comes on like a summer breeze, '$' conjures images (for me at least) of 1940's-50's era dancers and'Under the Cherry Moon'style Prince. It is utterly raucous and becomes incredibly addictive. The horns work particularly well and none of these jams outstay there welcome. All are tightly edited, something Prince has come under criticism for in the past. All in all an excellent album, which I believe stands well with Prince's vaunted 80's material. | |
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SanDiegoFunkDaddy said: I'm sorry peeps, I'm not feeling this whole 3 CD project. It's just self-indulgent. The only glimpse of his genius is in the song Valentina. Not even the instrumental stuff has anything. Prince has resorted to using auto-tune on his vocals. Prince was a trend setter, now he's just following trends. I'll just listen to Valentina
That's the worst song on the thing. Guess I'm glad someone's spinning it [Edited 4/4/09 6:13am] | |
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BSK3478 said: Gav said: Dansa = Art God
Enough said not really. i drew all that pretty fast, so it's shit. i was actually thinking about waiting after i listened to the whole thing before i drew but then i was like "hmm...what if i draw each panel as each song comes and goes?" so i stuck with it. Couldn't disagree more, but that was still Off the Richter!! ********************************************
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I just joined and I have to say I am glad I had to wait a few days before I was allowed to post. My review would have been a little negative. I made the mistake of getting the album and going right to the songs I hadn't heard. So putting it in and going from $ to Love like Jazz to Beverly place was not working for me. But then I got to get time to play it from the beginning and like the Prince of old I was finally happy to go on a trip again instead of hearing a collection of 3 minute thoughts like the past 3 albums. It flows very well. In fact the first 6 songs flow better IMO than the last 3 albums for sure. Then, like D&P I get 3 that are not my cup of tea. Kinda like strollin' and Walk don't walk. It's not that these songs or $, love like jazz, Wall of Berlin or Beverly are not good songs, just not what I dig. But what is most refreshing is that even songs that I don't get into fully there is once again parts or instruments in the songs that I can listen to the whole song just to get to. Mostly Guitar solos for me. That's what the last 3 lacked so much. Not only did I not care for certain songs, it didn't have that bass line, solo or drum beat that I could appreciate in the midst of a song I didn't like overall. I know that's ambiguous and personal taste, just trying to say that there is more musicianship in this one to create those layers that I can find something positive in each song. So not so much a song for song review, but that's the best way I can describe this album. Just the most creative thing I have heard from him since Rainbow Children. I love the guitar solos. My favorites are Colonized mind, Dreamer, Crimson and Clover, Feel good.., Boom, 4 Ever, and the 2 lotus' in that order. Very happy with this album. Thanks Prince. | |
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MIGUELGOMEZ said: mypancakeplaces said: Feel Good, Feel Better, Feel Wonderful is more funky than that thing from a few years ago. Horns and a more punch bass line.
Am I the only one who loves this song? NO!!! I think its one of the best songs he has done in a LONG TIME!! 'Love will be your Soldier' - Nikka Costa
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Just now listening to it LOUD for the first time.
I LOVE it! | |
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Kim69 said: MIGUELGOMEZ said: Am I the only one who loves this song? NO!!! I think its one of the best songs he has done in a LONG TIME!! MyeternalgrattitudetoPhil&Val.Herman said "We want sweaty truckers at the truck stop! We want cigar puffing men that look like they wanna beat the living daylights out of us" Val"sporking is spooning with benefits" | |
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Lotus Flow3r is freakin' cool. I always thought that Prince would sound cool if he had a little Dark Side of the Moon kinda sh*t goin' on. I think LF shows off some of that weirdness. Way to go Prince. "this is where the PURPLE PARTY PEOPLE be" | |
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PurpleKnight said: Again, I can't emphasize enough what a fantastic job Prince has done on the production side of this album. Countless songs from his later work were plagued by either stale production effects (Incense and Candles), a lack of reverb (almost every song on Musicology), or poor choices in the mixing (see: the muted sounding guitar in Fury).
LOTUSFLOW3R suffers from no such problems whatsoever, and I no longer feel he needs anyone to produce his work. | |
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All n'all Prince deserves credit for this album.
I don't think anyone here will argue that this isn't his best in a way long time. I'm still listening, to this album. To me "Colonized Mind" and "Dreamer" are new Prince classics along with his 80's greats. If he takes this on concert, I wouldn't mind listening to the complete album played. Most of all, I am so glad that prince produced not only a great album, but one that finally shows the grown-ass Prince. I am also glad that I did not have to use the word "cringeworthy" in my assessment of Lotusflow3r, never used that word so much in any setting other than talking about 90's- Prince albums. Hopefully he got the cringeworthy stuff off his chest with M-Sound and we can move forward and never have to use that word again. | |
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Ugot2shakesumthin said: All n'all Prince deserves credit for this album.
I don't think anyone here will argue that this isn't his best in a way long time. I'm still listening, to this album. To me "Colonized Mind" and "Dreamer" are new Prince classics along with his 80's greats. If he takes this on concert, I wouldn't mind listening to the complete album played. Most of all, I am so glad that prince produced not only a great album, but one that finally shows the grown-ass Prince. I am also glad that I did not have to use the word "cringeworthy" in my assessment of Lotusflow3r, never used that word so much in any setting other than talking about 90's- Prince albums. Hopefully he got the cringeworthy stuff off his chest with M-Sound and we can move forward and never have to use that word again. Cringe is in the eye of the beholder. | |
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1817 said: any chance we can get a tally on how sales are going ?
Australia = 0 UK = 0 Rest of Europe = 0 Asia = 0 .... ... ... | |
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TyphoonTip said: Ugot2shakesumthin said: All n'all Prince deserves credit for this album.
I don't think anyone here will argue that this isn't his best in a way long time. I'm still listening, to this album. To me "Colonized Mind" and "Dreamer" are new Prince classics along with his 80's greats. If he takes this on concert, I wouldn't mind listening to the complete album played. Most of all, I am so glad that prince produced not only a great album, but one that finally shows the grown-ass Prince. I am also glad that I did not have to use the word "cringeworthy" in my assessment of Lotusflow3r, never used that word so much in any setting other than talking about 90's- Prince albums. Hopefully he got the cringeworthy stuff off his chest with M-Sound and we can move forward and never have to use that word again. Cringe is in the eye of the beholder. Youre absolutely right, i just read another music review citing M-sound as the better disk. . | |
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Ugot2shakesumthin said: All n'all Prince deserves credit for this album.
I don't think anyone here will argue that this isn't his best in a way long time. I'm still listening, to this album. To me "Colonized Mind" and "Dreamer" are new Prince classics along with his 80's greats. If he takes this on concert, I wouldn't mind listening to the complete album played. Most of all, I am so glad that prince produced not only a great album, but one that finally shows the grown-ass Prince. I am also glad that I did not have to use the word "cringeworthy" in my assessment of Lotusflow3r, never used that word so much in any setting other than talking about 90's- Prince albums. Hopefully he got the cringeworthy stuff off his chest with M-Sound and we can move forward and never have to use that word again. U actually like a post-80's Prince CD?! Wow, there's ice in hell right now. Just joking! Cool that you dig Lotusflow3r. It is a great CD indeed and I too would love to see Prince perform the whole CD in a concert or one-off show. I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that | |
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purplecam said: Ugot2shakesumthin said: All n'all Prince deserves credit for this album.
I don't think anyone here will argue that this isn't his best in a way long time. I'm still listening, to this album. To me "Colonized Mind" and "Dreamer" are new Prince classics along with his 80's greats. If he takes this on concert, I wouldn't mind listening to the complete album played. Most of all, I am so glad that prince produced not only a great album, but one that finally shows the grown-ass Prince. I am also glad that I did not have to use the word "cringeworthy" in my assessment of Lotusflow3r, never used that word so much in any setting other than talking about 90's- Prince albums. Hopefully he got the cringeworthy stuff off his chest with M-Sound and we can move forward and never have to use that word again. U actually like a post-80's Prince CD?! Wow, there's ice in hell right now. Just joking! Cool that you dig Lotusflow3r. It is a great CD indeed and I too would love to see Prince perform the whole CD in a concert or one-off show. I buy a lot of cds in a year in all genres new and old, if he can get a record buying, hard to please curmudgeon like myself back on board says a lot i think. I think he needs to get on the boat because it has sailed when it comes to kids and kiddie pop. He will never ever win them over. He needs to concentrate on winning back serious record buyers, not just the fan base. He should bypass the reviewers and promote this record directly to listeners, ala Coachella by creating organic buzz that is impossible to buy. This audience doesn't care about age, or genre, just that you kick their ass, If he gets this audience talking again they will promote this album for him. [Edited 4/6/09 16:26pm] | |
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Alright, here's my first ever post on the Org. I was a Housequake guy and gave up on posting about Prince but after reading some negativity here, I just wanted to weigh in.
I really like Lotusflow3r but then again, I really like Prince. I've been a follower for many, many years and I guess I'm just happier than most people when he releases new stuff. I'm musically wise enough to realize where certain Prince songs fall short of others but I'd rather listen to just about anything he does than any other musician that still releases music. He is total ear candy and he is the only supreme ruler of music alive today. Dancing with my beautiful girlfriend to Love Like Jazz is a moment I'll never forget and the song is not boring at all. It's not the first time he's channeled Burt Bacharach. I think some should lighten up and just enjoy the fact that we have Prince around. OR, I guess you could listen to Computer Blue for the 6,437th time. | |
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Ugot2shakesumthin said: purplecam said: U actually like a post-80's Prince CD?! Wow, there's ice in hell right now. Just joking! Cool that you dig Lotusflow3r. It is a great CD indeed and I too would love to see Prince perform the whole CD in a concert or one-off show. I buy a lot of cds in a year in all genres new and old, if he can get a record buying, hard to please crumudgen like myself back on board says a lot i think. I think he needs to get on the boat because it has sailed when it comes to kids and kiddie pop. He will never ever win them over. He needs to concentrate on winning back serious record buyers, not just the fan base. He should bypass the reviewers and promote this record directly to listeners, ala Coachella by creating organic buzz that is impossible to buy. This audience doesn't care about age, or genre, just that you kick their ass, If he gets this audience talking again they will promote this album for him. [Edited 4/6/09 12:57pm] I feel you on that. I hope there is more promotion for this CD cause it deserves it. I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that | |
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