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Reply #540 posted 03/30/09 8:39am

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"Crimson and Clover" I would rather Prince used his "regular" vocal rather than getting his Camille on with this track but that would be only complaint. Probably my favorite on the album. Another great jam session combing two (three?) classic rock staples. I don't think the album has a single but maybe this should be it, even if it's only on the Target/retail verision.

Prince got his Camille on with this track? eek Maybe thats a typo? Prince sings this song in his regular voice not Camille



Yeah, he's not using the Camille voice. He's just using an effect that makes his voice ripple like water. I love the effect.
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Reply #541 posted 03/30/09 8:46am

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I think it's been said before but it bears repeating, this is a CD that grows on you and those are the ones that we tend to remember the longest. When I start playing this, I can't listen to just one track, I need to listen to the whole thing and that's such a great thing. In fact, I'm about to put it on right now.

Prince done did it with Lotusflow3r!!!
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Reply #542 posted 03/30/09 8:51am

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Shorty said:

this has probably already been addressed but I'm to lazy to go sifting through to find out..
anyway...why is it when I put my lotusflow3r CD into my PC to play it none of the info comes up? like album title and song titles? I have to go fill all that in manually?


You mean in iTunes? Probably because no one has uploaded it yet.
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Reply #543 posted 03/30/09 9:09am

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purplecam said:

I think it's been said before but it bears repeating, this is a CD that grows on you and those are the ones that we tend to remember the longest. When I start playing this, I can't listen to just one track, I need to listen to the whole thing and that's such a great thing. In fact, I'm about to put it on right now.

Prince done did it with Lotusflow3r!!!


I agree. By this time I was pretty much bored with Planet Earth. I've been playing Lotusflow3r (and i include MPLsound with that) on repeat non-stop since the site went live.
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Reply #544 posted 03/30/09 9:12am

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Feeels like 1987 all over again, no?
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Reply #545 posted 03/30/09 9:13am

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I just finished playing "LotusFlow3r" yet again...and the thing is still kicking my ass in every way. As soon as it ends I want to hear it again. It's a top five Prince album for me, joining "1999"/"Purple Rain"/Parade"/"SOTT" replacing "The Gold Experience." Even more amazing, "MPLSound" is VERY NEARLY as good.

Prince truly has no peer!!!
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Reply #546 posted 03/30/09 9:19am

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NoVideo said:

purplecam said:

I think it's been said before but it bears repeating, this is a CD that grows on you and those are the ones that we tend to remember the longest. When I start playing this, I can't listen to just one track, I need to listen to the whole thing and that's such a great thing. In fact, I'm about to put it on right now.

Prince done did it with Lotusflow3r!!!


I agree. By this time I was pretty much bored with Planet Earth. I've been playing Lotusflow3r (and i include MPLsound with that) on repeat non-stop since the site went live.

Me too! I've been listening to MPLSound the most out of the 2 but today I woke up with "Dreamer" and "Boom" in my head so that let me know that I needed to give Lotusflow3r the same amount of time that I've given MPLS and I'm listeing to "4ever" right now. I forgot how cool that song is. Great stuff! music
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Reply #547 posted 03/30/09 9:26am

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Seventeen said:

Feeels like 1987 all over again, no?



This is the most excited I've been about new Prince music since The Gold Experience, for sure... it's a nice feeling cool
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Reply #548 posted 03/30/09 10:00am

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"Crimsom and Clover" is decent and the James Brown sounding funk track is decent. The rest of the album is bland.
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Reply #549 posted 03/30/09 10:19am

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Of course I told ya Colonized Mind,Crimson And Clover and Dreamer are my favorite tracks and I like the trippy feel from the opening track. Awesome Cd... biggrin
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Reply #550 posted 03/30/09 10:31am

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Se7en said:

Shorty said:

this has probably already been addressed but I'm to lazy to go sifting through to find out..
anyway...why is it when I put my lotusflow3r CD into my PC to play it none of the info comes up? like album title and song titles? I have to go fill all that in manually?


You mean in iTunes? Probably because no one has uploaded it yet.


no...just in real player or media player
"not a fan" falloff yeah...ok
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Reply #551 posted 03/30/09 10:47am

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Se7en said:

Shorty said:

this has probably already been addressed but I'm to lazy to go sifting through to find out..
anyway...why is it when I put my lotusflow3r CD into my PC to play it none of the info comes up? like album title and song titles? I have to go fill all that in manually?


You mean in iTunes? Probably because no one has uploaded it yet.



came up fine on my iTunes
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Reply #552 posted 03/30/09 10:50am

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Shorty said:

Se7en said:



You mean in iTunes? Probably because no one has uploaded it yet.


no...just in real player or media player



i had to tag the download version myself, but the CD version came up fine for me
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Reply #553 posted 03/30/09 10:55am

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when you play/rip a cd the program connects to an online database to pull the album information. if there was a connection problem or the database was momentarily down when you put the cd in, that might account for it. sometimes the programs aren't smart enough to check again after you've already inserted the disc. what happens if you take it out and then re-insert it?
it's time for a new direction / it's time for jazz to die
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Reply #554 posted 03/30/09 11:54am

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This, to me, is the central album in the set. A serious group of songs from an adult, not aiming to please 12 year olds.

I have only listened once, but look forward to getting to know this one. I am so happy this picks up where TRC left off.
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Reply #555 posted 03/30/09 12:11pm

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Early thoughts.....

Briefly went thru a few of the jams and there is some promise here. He is playing some good guitar on LotusFlow3r, cuts like Boom.
Some of it sounds like pop heartland stuff he covered in the 80s, 4Ever, Wall Of Berlin.

I really dig that Colonized Mind. Slow, politically charged cut that reminds me of a circa Joy in Repetition grinder.
Feel Good Feel Better would be right at home on 3121, reminds me of Lolita, that synth slick funk.
$ is a weird lil track tht grooves on that rockabilly beat he's got with some jazzy horn licks and an almost Camille vocal.
Dreamer is another raw political charged rocker that sounds like somn off of Chaos and Disorder to me.
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Reply #556 posted 03/30/09 12:25pm

Thibaut

Here's Mr Wiggles the worm, here's my latest wiggles and squirms.
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Reply #557 posted 03/30/09 12:29pm

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Here's Mr Wiggles the worm, here's my latest wiggles and squirms.


Yes come on down to the Motor booty Affair we won't be coming up for air so leave your blow-hole at home. May I have this swim?
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Reply #558 posted 03/30/09 12:33pm

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Thibaut said:

Here's Mr Wiggles the worm, here's my latest wiggles and squirms.



I thought it was "these are my ladies giggles and squirm" the two female fish that come with the album cut out
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Reply #559 posted 03/30/09 12:44pm

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Here's mah two zents...

FROM THE LOTUS - an instrumental track as an opener of an album is not something I would personally shun away from. Sounds a lot like TRC -material, but at least the use of reverb is more restricted this time around (he could have added a bit more to the electric piano sounds to make the entire thing sound more fusion-erta Miles / etc). The rimshot sounds he's been using on material like this for most of the decade aren't however working as well as they should, they add a bit of "cocktail bar" feel to his music sometimes to be honest. Not a major complaint here, though.

BOOM - this track surprised me with its relative mellowness, as I was expecting something a bit different. The way the underscored, barely audible "boom" -line is employed gives it a proper, more seductive "Axis: Bold as Love" - era hendrix feeling instead of being another "Endorphinmachine". It's not that complex a song as far as songwriting goes, but the elements he has constructed it off are interesting and varied enough. I like his guitar playing here a lot, and the use of the effects on the vocals does actually work quite well (there's autotune there, right?). What this track after several listens reveals that It's better than most of his 90s rockier output, better than "Endorphinmachin", "Peach" or "I Like It There". I've been lead to believe at least the retail version will have a longer version than what I got leeched off the internet?

THE MORNING AFTER - yes, it does indeed remind of "Teacher Teacher" with the clavichord -figure driving the entire song. It lacks a memorable chorus, but the female backing vocals are great and make up for it (is that a Wendy & Lisa -arrangement?). A little bit of the 60s, with a whole lot of the Dream Factory -vibe. Would this be a new bootleg leak from the 80s most would be drooling all over it by now ("man he really used to have it in the 80s, not so much anymore"). The palette of sounds used on the album is positively restricted to more organic-sounding instrumention, and the digital synth pads / strings that never really worked in the context of his music that well have been mostly omitted. It's quite possible the track originates from the same sessions as, say, "I'm The One U Wanna C", but this one's turnt out to be more tasteful effort I have to say. Could have been included very well on the retail version too. The only real downside is that the feel of "morning after" the song conveys is highly contradictory with what I'd associate with morning after's myself. Let's not give such false impressions to our young listeners, okay?

4EVER - one of Prince's problems more recently has been that he hasn't bothered to write proper choruses for most of his mid-tempo songs, and this one continues the tendency (starting with "The Greatest Romance Ever Sold" already). The verse melody is actually bordering on brilliance in more simplistic terms, but the single-line chorus is a bit of an anti-climax. The instrumentation is classic 70s rock, I was actually thinking of someone like Todd Rundgren when I was listening to it. Nice sounds employed, nevertheless.

COLONIZED MIND - this has been a grower for me personally, as I didn't really care for it upon the first listen. The chorus is admittedly quite endearing and "emotive" after getting used to it, but the excessive stacking of multiple vocal lines provides something of a NPGMC -material association (not a positive thing in itself). I'm not going to comment on the lyrics too much because I feel like I am not the right person to judge another person's world-view, especially as his own idealogies differ quite greatly from mine. I don't find the lyrical content overtly naive, though. It's just that... in Prince World basically any comment on social issues is seen as a really in-depth statement. Could have been a bit dirtier on the guitar-end of things, though. If this is the closest thing to "Purple Rain" he delivered during this decade I guess we'll just have to learn to live with it.

FEEL GOOD, FEEL BETTER, FEEL WONDERFUL - as the only proper funk track on the record he could have had chosen a stronger one (or perhaps indeed include F.U.N.K. on it in some form). A pleasant enough offering on its own right - his vocal delivery is positively raunchy and the arrangements, whilst minimal, are top-notch quality. As expected. Again, it's really just the lacklustre chorus that's sort of fighting again the rest of the music ultimately. I know shouting "Housequake!" several hundred times during a track does not count for a terribly complex chorus either, but nevertheless.

LOVE LIKE JAZZ - on the first listen it sounded quite different from anything I've heard from Prince before. I admit his rhyming dictionary could do with an expansion section added to it ("NAME!" ... "GAME!"), but this has turnt into one of my own favourites on the album during a string of successive listens. It's a great track if you're not expecting a mind-blowing pop song, and I would perhaps call material like this veering on "a musical study" really. The arrangements are interesting and I've always wanted to point out that Prince is one of the very few better-known musicians on the planet who is capable of producing a light-sounding yet at the same time artsy material. It's a whole lot easier to make Radiohead -type of pop / rock -music where the artistry relies on the notions of melancholy, schizophrenism or whatever. Of course this one doesn't classify exactly as high-concept avant-garde either, but the song manages to go in various different directions tonally and still preserve a good level of cohesion. The outro leans even more strongly towards the sounds on TRC again. Better than "She Loves Me 4 Me", I would have to say.

77 BEVERLY PARK - well... this one's different. For some oblivious reason listening to it makes me want to go to the kitchen, fix myself a cup of coffee and feel happy about the fact that I will enter my thirties in just a couple of weeks. Thankfully though, it's not soaked in digital effects, although it really is an odd inclusion on the album as it is. The second half of the track should have preferably developed into something more interesting musically (a little bit of jazzy dissonance, or even a run-of-the-mill guitar solo would have done the trick probably). I wouldn't desire to kick it out of the album's running order, but even with the slight hint at the "Parade" -era it is indeed a bit of a "wtf" -moment. Better being a "wtf" -moment than a "gtfo" -moment, obviously.

WALL OF BERLIN - don't really care for the vocal delivery, but I guess this is one of the "key" -compositions of the album as it binds together some of the other tracks by being a bit of an "in-between take" stylistically. I don't mind the silly lyrics, although let's admit it - would any of the artists deemed as his followers (D'Angelo, Maxwell etc.) ever title a track "Wall Of Berlin"? The "trashier" guitar breaks are what breathes more life into an otherwise a bit too goofy melodic morif on the chorus.The track ultimately makes a nice enough transition to the next one. By the way, does "going down like the wall of berlin" mean you're going to be smashed down in pieces or is it just an implication of oral sex? When was the last time Prince visited Berlin anyway?

$ - really love this. It's really nothing like Prince has done before, but the "Camille" -vocal effect grounds it to his sound (could he be using sped-up tape again instead of a crude pitch-shifter, because the sound is far softer than on the more recent tracks that employed the similar element?). Perhaps the closest equivalence would be "Baby Knows" in that regard, but this is so much better (and I actually enjoyed that track in question). A hint of "Courtin' Time" thrown in there too, but "$" is an entiry of its own in Prince's vast song catalog. Simple and effective, he should be rightfully proud of music like this still pouring out of him. Just lacks a Harmonica solo!

DREAMER - Oh, yes. I was surprised how his take on the "Hendrix" -esque stuff still manages to employ all types of classic quirkiness that you would associate with his own classic output. If you listen more closely you could hear some echoes especially of Prince's rehearsal / aftershow -material from the 80s here too ("Billy's Sunglasses", "Neon Rendezvous"). It might be just the type of a reverberation playing tricks in my mind, but what the hell.

... BACK 2 THE LOTUS - this is a more interesting take on the intro track. The mumbling included on it gives it a bit eerie vibe, and that IS a positive thing. I find it intriguing how he has chosen to include the flanger on his guitar - and even on guitar interference noise - so audibly in the mix (he used to do this in the 80s quite a lot, it's used even on Sheila E.'s 3rd record I recently noticed). I didn't first warmp up for the obvious use of basic guitar pedal effects on "Wall of Berlin" or "Colonized Mind", but they do in the end add a certain amount of rawness to the overall result. The outro track is one of the best ones on the album in my mind, btw, but then again I'm sort of a fucked up individual.

CRIMSOM AND CLOVER - a few comments on this too, as it's supposed on the final record. The use of the leslie / vibrato effect gives the track its own vintage bite, although Prince's vocals aren't as powerful as they should be. Still, his 2nd best cover after "The Case Of U", perhaps. The download version really would have indeed benefited from this one. Is the Hendrix -reference here really to "Foxy Lady" or "Wild Thing" though? I can't make up my mind.

VERDICT: far from perfect, but one of the best outings of his post-WB material. Could have done with a few stronger SONGS, but as it stands it proves that Prince can still deliver adventurous records (if you think about it, TRC was released already quite a long time ago already). The poppier tracks from the record aren't that drastic a departure from Planet Earth -material to be honest, but I'll take tracks like "$" over "Guitar" anyday. Shame about - what I consider - the unfitting cover art for the album, although admittedly he has had worse over the years as well. I like it how he has re-connected with some of his trademark elements from the 80s and mixed them up with material that also break some new ground for him too.

I give it 4 pineapples out of 5 pineapples. Thanks for reading.

(Fuck, I should have been writing my graduation thesis instead of this... only 2½ weeks left! Oh well...)
[Edited 3/27/09 6:43am]


great review, though mostly because I agree with you! lol
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Reply #560 posted 03/30/09 1:11pm

Purplestar88

This album makes me "Feel good,feel better, feel wonderful"! biggrin
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Reply #561 posted 03/30/09 1:20pm

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In all 3 discs Prince really put a lot of time in to get a some quality stuff out for a great price.

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Well this disc is jammin'. Great licks, strong vocals, he did some neat effects for his voice.

For years folks were desiring a rock album and Prince delivered. It really is a gift, like MPLSOUND...Prince was listening.

I've only listened once to the disc... some of instrumentation at the intro reminded me of Vai/Satriani,I'm sure they'd love it.

This disc has more depth of the 3 and will take longer to digest. This being the "center" disc it has more diverse tracks one would find on any Prince album,

hmmm but it also continues Prince's pursuit of more traditional sounding instrumentation which he's been doing for the past decade -- focusing on song structure rather than creating unique pop tones and formats (the unique sounds/tone of U GOT THE LOOK, etc... all his unmistakable hits that are instantly recognizable), which has been my biggest complaint over the years, but that's where he's at, he just wants a more mature soundscape it seems.

I'd still argue it's what makes Prince..well, Prince. These songs are good, some great, but using traditional instruments/production and you sound like everybody else at one level.

In that regard I enjoyed the traditional instruments and mixing better in the pop/jazz/soul feel of ELIXIR.

Nevertheless, I thought the most creative song was BOOM.

77 BEVERLY PARK sounds like a movie soundtrack. Was this a morsel of what he was shopping around in 2006 for a rumored 3121 movie or something?
I suspect it is.

Standing alone I'd say this is a good album, like 3121 if not better, probably his best in the past decade and longer, up to EMANCIPATION.

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Reply #562 posted 03/30/09 2:29pm

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LOTUS IS A TASTE OF ROCK AND BEATTLES JUST A NICE WORK OF ART COULD HAVE DONE WITHOUT 77 B ST.BUT THE CD IS THE BOMB.SO IS MPLS JUST STRAIGHT OUT FUNK.THE SLEEPER IS ELIXIR THIS CD IS VERY NICE ALSO.
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Reply #563 posted 03/30/09 2:48pm

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I'm lovin' "The Morning After" as well. It kinda reminds me a bit of Raspberry Beret, for some reason. It's a keeper. music


Not according to Prince. wink
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Reply #564 posted 03/30/09 2:50pm

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Dreamer : All I can say is DAMN!! This is the most flat out rock guitar that Prince has ever played on a studio cut to my knowledge since maybe Bambi and for some reason i've heard some say Dez played that and some say Prince played that.


Endorphinmachine? eek
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Reply #565 posted 03/30/09 3:00pm

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Number23 said:

tricky99 said:



We would expect no less from Wall then a negative review. Along with Bart, Dansa and some others the glass is always 2/3 empty. Why u folks even bother is so perplexing to me. Are u guys as sad in real life as u are on this site?

It's the same reason why you bother, tricky. We all acknowledge Prince is a musical genius - determining whether this is an eternal state of being or if it's just a transitory, fleeting sharpness of vision some special people tap into for a short time is where we part ways. A printer will keep printing weaker and weaker pages until the ink runs out if the electricity is on. A shit analogy? Without doubt. But some do believe - and I'd like to add that I'm not among them - that Prince should have bowed out with his dignity a long time ago. I don't see the problem with opposing viewpoints idf you are secure in your opion. Who wants a happy, clappy collective conciousness of drones trying to blow bubbles with Prince's diaroeeh?


Prince?
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Reply #566 posted 03/30/09 3:46pm

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LOTUSFLOW3R ....THIS IS EASILY PRINCE BEST ALBUM SINCE THE GOLD EXPERIENCE 15 YEARS AGO....not perfect but a really strong album...
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MPLSOUND....VERY GOOD ALBUM IMO....pity about the opening two tracks or it would have been on a par with lf....
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GREAT TO PRINCE FINALLY TURNING UP THOSE GUITARS.....where are you murdo smile
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Reply #567 posted 03/30/09 4:15pm

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There's no title track. Gotta be a first, right?
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Reply #568 posted 03/30/09 4:23pm

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Meloh9 said:

Thibaut said:

Here's Mr Wiggles the worm, here's my latest wiggles and squirms.



I thought it was "these are my ladies giggles and squirm" the two female fish that come with the album cut out



Yes but I dig the change-up Thibaut put on it. It's ever fonk-n on. Now I am delving into the Elixir a bit and am not disappointed nor offended in the least. It sounds like a collection of tracks he could have done on himself only with her at the mic.
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Reply #569 posted 03/30/09 4:24pm

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shockadelica777 said:

There's no title track. Gotta be a first, right?


prince
parade
batman
prince
the gold experience
the chocolate invasion
the slaughterhouse
c-note
n.e.w.s
lotusflow3r
mplsound

some of those come close, but none have a literal title track.
it's time for a new direction / it's time for jazz to die
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