Dreamer is the shit

guess i'll be roasted for not liking it either. Though better than the other two cds.I won't delete all of this like I did Bria and MPLSoUND. AS I've said before- I had hoped Prince would be an artist I could listen to since I first freaked out over his sound in 1978. But somewhere in the late 90s he lost (imo - of course) his ability to write about anything that interested me. Here and there were things I loved - sure. But even that started falling apart around TRC. It was clear to me that other musicians were definitely going to be spinning more often than Prince. And I hated that fact. BUT- I grew up on this guys music and vibe. SO I want to discover that new thing he's gonna bring to sync me back artistically. This wasn't it - but a few things are ok.
I like "Dreamer" for it's straight rock feel.If only the rest had that unencumbered feel.
"$" had potential and is pretty funny. Once. Otherwise I'd like it better with no vocals.
"77 Beverly Park" - again. Why not JUST the guitar? The "arrangement puts it into goofy territory.
"Boom" is the other track I like quite a bit.
But that's not so great from a guy I once wore out both the album and B-side releases from. What can I say? Unfortunate for me I guess.

And to address those that think if you don't LOVE everything you should leave the org - being a fan of an artist doesn't mean you kiss their ass at every turn. Listening to music is somewhat like a conversation, though one end might not get the feedback. I hope Prince gets the feedback one day and takes it like a friends opinion. You don't have to agree, but at least listen and think about it.

tricky99 said:

You mean Prince has stunted growth as an artist? I agree.

tricky99 said:

where's the "issues" in that? it's true, fandom is not a contest or grounds to prove things.


just about every artist wants themselves (moreso, their work) to be looked at in some sorta respect. that's one of the many points of art.


they're merely quick sketches i did, i'm not trying to re-create stuck rubber baby here. you're sitting here getting redundant and butthurt over nothing, man. i disliked the new stuff. you seem to dig it. good on us.

at any rate, nice talking to you. s'been a minute.

NeptuneHQ said:

i hate to say it but he lost it, somewhere between gold experience and emancipation or even worse between graffiti bridge and diamonds, honestly i think the turning point was the black album.

now it's 15 years that he wrote his last classic song / hit song (the most beautiful girl), everything since is even ignored by the man himself.
i do like 6 of the new songs, but none of them can match with the fillers of the past like electric chair or hot thing or computer blue or something in the water.
and the ballads are awful, i am afraid there will be no other cherry moon, the cross, joy in repetition or power fantastic.
does anybody honestly believe that other musicians listen to his last 7 or 8 albums and say: wow, he did it again!?

he is a legend, has written about 10 classic songs and is still a great live performer - but even his concerts begin to lose the magic when he has to play the same hits or covers every time. and he will not play colonized mind or dance 4 me or boom in london 2019, but probably the "classic" dmsr which wasn't a classic 1984 - 1993 when he promoted his best albums and played nearly every new song.

take your favourite 10 songs from 1996 - 2009 and then compare this compilation with his 10 songs from graffiti bridge - maybe you feel the difference...
and then remember how disappointing graffiti bridge was back in 1990...

the best song is crimson and clover, enough said.

I am really happy with this album and Mplsound. Here's my review

01 From the Lotus...

I really like this opening track. It reminds me of an opening track on an old santana record. Really mellow with a great vibe about it. It does have a rainbow children feeling to it, but even if you didnt like that album you may still enjoy this. Great start.

02 Boom

This track is absolutely fantastic. Great melodic tune which leads to a real nice heavy dirty bass and guitar.

03 The Morning After

Another great track. This has a really happy feel to it. I've never been the greatest fan of princes 'happy soft rock' type songs, but im loving this one.

04 4Ever

Wow, this album is still going strong. Another great happy feeling soft rock song which fits perfectly with the morning after. Reminds me a little of dinner with delores for some reason.

05 Colonized Mind

And the great songs continue. I've never been a fan of princes recent political lyrics so i tend to ignore them, which is a shame as this one of princes most accessable songs in ages, would make a great single. This tune has a great vibe to it, nice guitar solo as well.


06 Feel Good, Feel Better, Feel Wonderful

And there was me thinking it was about time for the obligatory prince 'incense and candles' mid song moment to spoil the great vibe. How pleasantly wrong i was. This song is so funky, kind of in the vein of 'musicology' or 'get on the boat', two songs i never liked much but this is thousand times funkier. Great horns, great guitar, great bass. Whats the bad thing about this tune.. it's to damn short!!

07 Love Like Jazz

After the quality of the previous songs, upon hearing the 'musak' elevator opening I was ready to cry. However, this song isn't that bad. It picks up nicely towards the end and isnt long enough to be unpleasant. To sum up i would say this song is 'harmless'

08 77 Beverly Park

Once thing that bugs me about this is that the opening guitar piece hints at some great guitar song. When you first hear it, your thinking, wow this is gonna rock. Then for some inexplicable reason it turns into a sweet ditty. It's not at all bad, it has a 'parade' feeling to it. Would be far more enjoyable if it wasn't straight after love like jazz.

09 Wall of Berlin

Not a bad song by anymeans, but nothing special. Especially unwelcome after the previous two 'uninspiring' songs that preceded it. Nice guitar work midway through picks the song up though. After 5 great songs its a shame the quality of the album is spoiled by having those three uninspired songs in a row.

10 $

And the album gets back on track with this. Great fast funky song with a little bit of a swing feel thrown in for good measure. Really liking this one.

11 Dreamer

Great solid rock track which doesnt swallow up the guitars in the production like previous prince rock songs such as 'Fury'. A little bit of a Jimi Hendrix vibe in there. Some fantastic guitar work by prince!!

12 ...Back 2 the Lotus

As the first track. However this finished with a great guitar workout which finished of the album nicely.

Overall, I am loving this album. imho it would have worked far better had 'love like jazz' and 'Wall of Berlin' been removed. These songs ruin the great quality and vibe of the record just when your thinking that your listening to a pretty flawless album. The last three songs bring the quality back but not enough for you to forget those offending two tracks.

The song 'Boom' has some ok moments ... the verse sounds a bit 'Darling Nikki' don't people think?
It really lacks a chorus though ... seems a little half finished.
[Edited 3/26/09 13:56pm]

johnny2000 said:

that's why i was like "it's over before it began"...it's the sorta song you would think would go on for longer, but *blip!* it ends just as you're feeling it out. same goes for the majority of lf.

Meloh9 said:

omg yes! i kept thinking where i heard that fast paced "metronome" type
sound. what is that, is that the drummer? i'm not a musician as you can
tell, lol.

but it's the exact same 'beat'

You got a new look Dansa?

After a few plays here's my thoughts.


From the Lotus...*** Nice opening track
Boom.**** amazing
The Morning after*** pretty good
4Ever**** Hits home, love this one
Colonized Mind*** At the moment it's 3, but after a few more plays I think it could be 4
Feel Good, Feel Better, Feel Wonderful** Could do without
Love Like Jazz** Kinda like it at the moment
77 Beverly Park*** Cool
Wall Of Berlin*** Killer guitar
$**** Awesome
Dreamer**** Awesome as stated by most people
...Back 2 the Lotus*** Nice closer
Crimson and Clover**** I feel ripped, should of been on the DL from the site, one of the best on the album

johnny2000 said:

The target version will be longer. He had to cut it short to make the transition with The Morning after. That's why its ending sounds abrupt.

wow.
where do i start.

i have all 3 albums.

Lotus Flow3r is wayy better than i thought.

The whole album is consistently great.
My favorite tracks are...Feel Good,Feel Better,Feel Wonderful, Love Like Jazz, and ...Back To The Lotus.

i am a young die hard fan, and i dnt really like his stuff after the Love symbol album but i get the other stuff anyway becuz i am a die hard fan.

this album isnt his best but it is better than alot of the crap that is out now.

and alot of ppl should let go of wanting him to release all those outtakes from '85-'87.
dont get me wrong i would love to hear/have them too,but y dont we just focus on and appreciate the music that he is giving us.

HardcoreJollies said:

they're all just under 50 minutes.

2freaky4church1 said:

Agreed. That guitar solo is the first really emotional moment of the album too.

you take 4ever and add Crimson and Clover in it's place and you have a pretty solid album all the way through.

Sdldawn said:

Where would you place The Morning After while still keeping 4Ever and obviously C&C?

Bfunkthe1 said:

I guess leave it as no. 3 since it fades pretty well with track two. Just have Crimson come after that.. cause Crimson and Colonized together is a hell of a one two punch.

Lotusflow3r is EVERYTHING I hoped it would be and then some. The only MINOR quibble I have with it will be solved Sunday when I buy the retail version and the somewhat tepid "The Morning After" is swapped for the excellent "Crimson & Clover." This album is quickly climbing into my personal Prince Top 5.

Sdldawn said:

Well I thought on Target release, track2 Boom, will be longer and segue more into C&C. So if that's the case I guess The Morning After can be put after Colonized Mind.

Dreamer


"Dreamer" is absolutely hot. The lyrics are deep too. Replayed it about 5 times already.

Lawd have mercy, say no more, say no more.. I just listened to the track "Dreamer", Prince intertwines this track with some Sly funk and Jimi Hendrix rock, with a quick Betty-Mabry Davis vocal tease at the beginning, and if you're not listening carefully, you'll miss the banging BB King blues licks..all of this wrapped up in Prince style.

Dreamer is hot, nasty, Coco-rock with a mixture of blues and funk so hot, it's like taking a hot buttered biscuit and sopping it up with some gravy, and swishing it around in the plate until you get every last drop, because it so good. Love this track, it's so sizzling hot (ouch!) and nasty it makes me want to cuss and scream.

Prince will blow this track out of the water when he plays this live. I hope he plays it on Leno, if not I hope to see him play this track live someday.
[Edited 3/26/09 20:02pm]

tricky99 said:

step to a mirror

I love Dreamer, I cant believe though that ppl still expect a classic album of any kind. Both lotus & MPL are like every other prince album from the last 10 years ,they have a couple of good tracks each but the rest is quite forgettable. I like a couple of tracks off PE, musicology,3121 ..... RaveUn2 has a few decent 1's ..... but really none r either better then Come. I must say i think the Gold E was his last good album & symbol his last really good album. Still the man is a legend & all the time he comes up with tunes like Dreamer, Colonized mind, crimson & clover, Ol'Skool company I will keep buyin these 10 track albums which have say 3-4 quality tracks on

Number23 said:

prince

Zannaloaf said:

I agree with you here, but let me add something .

I think when you come to the table with something legit (disagreements) it adds to the flavor of the discussion.

But what I have seen on this site for the last 8 years is a total devolving of intellect and rational thinking with Prince's music. Damn the man has made almost every kind of song at a very high level of skill. So disagreements will be a given. My point is that you cannot make snap judgements about the music and post stupid responses like what I have seen from many here at the ORG.

I will say that there have been many that have had some legit disagreements about these songs but you have been drowned out by others who just want to cause confusion.
MODS:
I would love to see an "all-star" group of ORGers(Langeblu,Violet, NwPwrSoul and other old timers) have access to post on certain topics like this one for a limited time. Just to have a good discussion before all Hell breaks loose.

BSK3478 said:

jesus christ who doesn't exist. it is the same on every fansite for every possible form of entertainment. there is always a hit squad ready to jump any fool who lets slip anything but effusive praise.

i used to participate in prince fandom in the early '90s. and again in the late '90s. and again in the early '00s. i can honestly say the balance is way out of whack these days. there has always been a vocal minority who defended prince as if he were their offspring but the last couple of weeks i have been earnestly following threads here it makes my stomach hurt like the very worst days of '97/'98/'99.

why can't people just accept that not everyone holds identical opinions.

Putmarroussia said:

i was refering to the fact that it does not have a chorus ... nothing to do with the ending.

myloveis4ever said:

I agree, people go and pick yourself one up and us U.K people buy it from site over here
[Edited 3/26/09 18:00pm]

My view's on the tracks...

1.) From the Lotus 8/10 - a good intro to a album!

2.) Boom 7/10 - not that amazing, it lacks summin..

3.) The mornining after 9/10 - I think this track is awesome and really bouncy

4.) 4ever - 9/10 - Good track and a good listen

5.) Colonized mind - 10/10 - Lost count on how many times ive listened to this..

6 ) Feel Good, Feel ....- 8/10 I'm not tooo sure on this track at the moment

7.) Love like Jazz - 5/10 - I nearly fallen asleep on this lol

8.) 77 Beverly Park - 8/10 A really good instrumental

9.) Wall of Berlin - 8/10 - A good track with that Jimi style

10.) $ - 8/10 - I did like it, sounded like candy man by christina aguala.

11.) Dreamer - 9/10 - Love it, more rocky, (prince do metallica style )

12.) Back to the Lotus - 8/10 - A good ending!

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