Moonbeam said:

I was wondering this too. Two possible reasons popped into my head. Royalties, it's a cover and maybe there's some sort of issue with downloads and paying more money (I dunno I'm stretching here????!), or more likely, with it being the 'lead single' and one of the strongest cuts on the set, Prince was ensuring that as many fans as possible join the site AND buy the CD.

Alexandernvrmind said:

True...Planet Earth was a big disaster.....but Lotusflow3r is the best since ONA live and ONA piano....

Wall said:

We would expect no less from Wall then a negative review. Along with Bart, Dansa and some others the glass is always 2/3 empty. Why u folks even bother is so perplexing to me. Are u guys as sad in real life as u are on this site?

Alexandernvrmind said:

Ahh, poor Planet Earth.
As I've stated many times, I like Planet Earth (minus Mr. Goodnight). I know I'm probably 1 of maybe 5 around here that does but there ya go. I like weird quirky pop Prince.
That said, I can't wait to hear new albums. I have them, just haven't had time.
I'm amazed at the immense praise and some hatred, for new stuff. Don't think I've seen the praise at these levels since being on the org. 2002 or so.
It intrigues me and concerns me. But in the end it's what moves ME. And I am preparing to be moved.

Wow Its Has Been A Few Years Since I Replyed 2 a topic but Lotusflow3r has brought me back out Im Really enjoying the music im listening 2 really feelin Prince right now.....

Alexandernvrmind said:

im digging all your saying.

i will say something bold here again and say that after a few more glorious listens, lotusflow3r is like his modern day solo Dream Factory. tracks like 'the morning after', if someone played that track in boot quality and said its from the Dream sessions, i would easily believe them. 77 beverly park too, same vibe.

but overall its just incredible and i don't care for past prince as much as new anymore....to think that barely 2 days ago, my opinion was not like that. :lol:

it's also great that some critical thinkers are totally in praise of lotusflow3r.

i understand the past lovers will dog me for my Dream Factory comparison but, i don't care, i'm looking forward to moving forward!
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I have to say, I'm VERY satisfied with this album. Songs like "Dreamer", "4ever" or "Colonized Mind" are fantastic and I love how this album has a perfect flow, it kinda has an unified sound, but the songs are still not interchangeable. Great job!!!

LOtUSFLOW3r

From the Lotus...

I had a feeling this was gonna be the intro to the album ever since I heard it playing on the TV at lotusflow3r.com (albeit a very short snippet) - even went as far as ripping the sound file from the TV screen and putting it on my "LOtUSFAK3r" itunes playlist of all the collected songs (before the album was released of course) -- anyhow, this is a nice instrumental, greatly recalls Rainbow Children and N.E.W.S. I like the idea of having instrumentals at the beginning and end of the album.

Boom

Weirdest lyrics ever, obelisks and 33 rpm, primordial ooze... sun shine and celibate mushroom canopies.. all of this = an awesome Prince song: weird and cryptic. Cool guitar sounds, bass that reminds me of FUNK , and of course the jazzy rimshot sound he's been using in ALL of his new output....

The Morning After

At first, I didn't care for this song, but it's definitely grown on me. Reminds me of Teacher, Teacher and some other old songs. Possibly a vault track... classic Prince, imo

4Ever

Sugary sweet and poppy - hated it at first listen and mentally labeled it as a track i wouldn't like. After listening quite a few times, this is a cute and fun little song. Nothing to take seriously, but it doesn't drag down the album.

Colonized Mind

I think everyone pretty much loves this song, so I don't know what else I could really say about it. Once again dark, interesting, textured... I love the vocal effects. Lyrics don't bother me because it's all mostly true.

Feel Better, Feel Good, Feel Wonderful

Been wanting this song for like 2 years now... can't believe he actually delivered and released this song. I'd prefer he hadn't added the horns, but thankful he kept everything else intact from the snippet we heard on NPGMC. Like the rest of the lyrics, think the censoring part is funny, at least he made it funny/cool like in Lolita.

Love Like Jazz

Boring, but then again I never really like the ballads. I'll be taking this one of my playlist. Not as bad as "Somewhere Here on Earth" from Planet Earth, but in the same vein.

77 Beverly Park

Kind of boring and fritzy, but not bad for an instrumental.


Wall of Berlin

Loved this track since we first heard it -- where am I? Psychedlic, fun, trippy, rockin, and once again very Prince. Love it.

$

This song has yet to grow on me, but I'm sure I will. I WANT to like this song, but for some reason it's not grabbing me. Sounds like "Song of the Heart" part 2.

Dreamer

Not on balls like everyone else is with this song -- it's ok. Yeah, it's pretty rockin, but the lyrics turn me off and so does the 'country guitar' loop at the beginning.

... Back 2 the Lotus

LOVE THIS. I'm not usually much of a Prince instrumental fan, but this is cool. Super dark, surreal, spacey, scary at times with the creepy spoken word... this song is just an awesome way to close out a trippy, fun, strange, and in my opinion, classic Prince album.

Bfunkthe1 said:

Just based on a couple of our exchanges I think you will enjoy both discs

LTFLW is a slightly stronger disc IMO but its certainly not by much. I don't skip anything on it (I can't remember the last time that has happned for me) Crimson and Clover will sound great on the Target release (I have already inserted digitally)

Mplsound is almost as good and the only reason I gave the nod to LF is because Prince lead off Mpls with There will never be another which I didn't evven load to the ipod at all... That is the only song I skip on either disc. Some of the ballads have really grown on me after two days as well

tricky99 said:

It's the same reason why you bother, tricky. We all acknowledge Prince is a musical genius - determining whether this is an eternal state of being or if it's just a transitory, fleeting sharpness of vision some special people tap into for a short time is where we part ways. A printer will keep printing weaker and weaker pages until the ink runs out if the electricity is on. A shit analogy? Without doubt. But some do believe - and I'd like to add that I'm not among them - that Prince should have bowed out with his dignity a long time ago. I don't see the problem with opposing viewpoints idf you are secure in your opion. Who wants a happy, clappy collective conciousness of drones trying to blow bubbles with Prince's diaroeeh?

Alexandernvrmind said:

this is why you can never trust reviews of stuff when you haven't heard
it yet for yourself.

people say the strangest things.

i mean, at the time of release there were fools who were saying that the
song "mr goodnight" was 'erotic city part 2'

wait, what?

everyone has their own taste and perspective but it's amazing what kind
of connections people make in their minds when listening to new prince
music. the wildest most insane comparisons pop up.

tricky99 said:

even though you're not in agreement with mine or any other review you find that isn't in tandem with your opinion, at least we're saying exactly why we don't like it instead of stooping to the level of "lol it sux because it i say it sux i haven't even herd it lololololololol". that, and we've all actually listened to the albums and actually, y'know, gave them a chance to see if there's anything on there that might, in fact, change our views a little. you should be happy to hear that shit, not wagging your finger like "no, you're SUPPOSED to like it! shame on you!"

i may like the older stuff. you may like the old as well as the new. different strokes. deal. all that said, i've gotta ask you these questions:

--is it a rule here that in order to be considered as a fan, you must like a certain amount or percentage (of course, it has to be above 50% or otherwise...HA!) of prince's material?

--if you aren't a fan of a lot of prince's catalogue but you still in fact do dig the guy, then you should just throw in the towel?

--lastly, if one considers themselves a hardcore fan then along with loving everything the brotha has done should it also be one's duty to admonish those who don't like all the things that they do?

i would like for you to answer these questions honestly, please.

Alexandernvrmind said:

Cool.
Without naming names I have been paying attention to certain peoples perspectives and realizing that I'm pretty sure I will dig all 3 CDs.
I agree with you on TWNBALM. I've never really liked it.The vocals annoy me. Although I do like instrumental version.
My glass is half full.

NouveauDance said:

That is the one and ONLY reason. And in the process he has manufactured additional incentive for people to DL illegally.

I mean, why would I decide to pay $77 to get one album track that SHOULD be on the CD. And why should people who have shelled out $77 be annexed into buying a CD because their DL didn't have the 1st single!! WTF.

Seriously, that is a disgrace.

Pirate away, people.

Btw, is Boom supposed to segue into Crimson and Clover?
I've read some things about this around here. I did listen to this song because of this concern, and it does sound chopped off. Thought maybe it was my copy.

BSK3478 said:

actually, i think in your particular case, you just drew cutesie pictures of an angel throwing up at all the songs, with clever little speech bubbles trashing every individual song -- however, you did NOT, unless i'm mistaken, give ANY actual reasons for why these songs/albums are so terrible.

The Morning After is a fun little song, why the dark shadows?

Sdldawn said:

I completely agree about 4ever. It's not terrible to me. It's almost really good, but the weak chorus and a couple of cringeworthy lines ("bubble bath", "bite that") force me to hit skip.

Add Crimson, leave Morning After, remove 4ever, and you have a damn good album from start to finish that I'll listen to in it's entirety without reservation.

The album really has a great flow to it that has been missing since TRC.

TheEnglishGent said:

I had the .php file issue and thought it was a mac problem. It is not. I stand corrected!

Jakeasaurus said:

i deliberately made my reasons concise, due to the medium i'd used and space/size limitations; if i just typed my stuff out, it'd be longer (usually is, when i've posted my reviews in the past). plus, i didn't feel like going for an all-out graphic novel explaining myself as to what i do and don't like about each song. like i mentioned on both my posts, i did those on the fly as i listened to everything.


btw...it's a cartoon pegasus, not an angel edit
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I forgot how good Colonized Mind was.

I really like Boom. I'm on my first listen, so I'll have to post back on this thread.

Bfunkthe1 said:

yes....but depending what audio program your listening to (itunes... or windows media player) it could be the play back settings and how its programed/set. So a little of that might be in play there

Alexandernvrmind said:

I see.
So then what is the actual track time for Boom?
My is 3:19

Number23 said:

Bfunkthe1 said:

Never mind.
My question has been answered in this thread.
http://prince.org/msg/7/302286

Boom is 4:54 on Target version. 3:19 on D/L version.
Now for those who have heard ALL tracks and want to sequence everything, where would you put The Morning After?

Bfunkthe1 said:

i would simply leave that one off, but that's just me

i'd prefer to have FUNK on there instead.

IstenSzek said:

Right.
I'm somewhat of a completest so I'll probably have both.
Just trying to see where you guys think it will fit after hearing album several times.

Whoa! I definitely love this side of the album so far