PEJ said:

I completely agree - but thats the whole point why even talk about them, or tease the fanbase re a pending release (cuz he knows we all want them - ive said it in other posts, these are his trump card, no way he'll give em up)

jstar69 said:

trump black version cards

First off let me start by sayin this is how i feel. Now i will say that 1/31/09 was not a broken promise but the whole hype was very mis leading. I was goin to LA on vacation anyways, i was at Nokia and there was a lot of people there mis led

..i feel bad 4 all of those that feel they have the 'broken promise feeling' ..
..i on the other hand cannot complain becuz as we speak i haven't had a broken promise from prince..on the contrary he is EXTRA LOVEABLE
..mzsexybaby'I AM A WITNESS in this love-affair'

PEJ said:

Thanks, dude.

But keep in mind that Prince has people speaking to reporters talking about tons of unreleased material that "could" be released through a portal targeting his die-hard fanbase. Prince is the one keeping the topic of the past current among his fans. I learned long ago to take what he says with a grain of salt until I'm holding a cd in my hands.

1, 234, 567, 890

MTV Unplugged 1991 for "D&P" LP. Was advertised on the Fall 91 lineup,... never done.

ThreadBare said:

yeah after all it's Prince, he can be full of surprises, sometimes when we least expect it and sometimes we get surprised when we expect too much. believe me when he said something big is coming soon and we got N.E.W.S that wasn't even what I expected but then the NPGMC made up for it IMO but to his dismay people complain about that too. He can never satisfy us all.

optimus said:

I agree. I truly believe we've already heard the best of his old material, the vault be damned. Still, I'd like for him to release it all on CDs...and soon.

ThreadBare said:

sorry love thoe but realy dont know about this but i do know he cant keep a prmoise if it was put in his hands to even try to love but i know jesus christ can thoe peace loves

There is a difference between unfulfilled intentions and broken promises, I think. Promises involve some kind of definite commitment and require a "promisee," someone who is directly being addressed. Therefore, cancelling a gig that has been announced and tickets sold would qualify as a broken promise, as would an official commitment to return to make up for it.
However, P bandies around "intentions" that I wouldn't call promises, e.g. at a concert in the Oz tour of '93, he said something like, "We'll be back next year and we'll bring a whole bunch of friends." That could be construed as a promise, but he was not addressing anyone in particular or making a clear commitment, but was just throwing out a supposed intention, which he may have meant to fulfil at the moment he made it, but clearly forgot about 5 min. later. That's not a broken promise. It is a-hole behavior, though

3 words - Croke Park, Dublin!

After buying tickets, getting time off work, booking a hotel and flights only for it to be cancelled a few days before!

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I don't think Prince has ever made a promise to his consumers that I recall. But I don't think you meant 'promise' literally in that sense.

If I gather correctly that you're referring to statements prince has made that he hasn't lived up to, I think there are too many to remember.


My primary issues with Prince's dealings surrounded things like 'lifetime membership' fees for his websites, only to have him delete the website after people signed up. I can only imagine folks who signed up just before the site closed .

Or ridiculously unprofessional emails from L4OA.com calling folks who complained about the legendary fiasco surrounding Crystal ball 'Haters'. What kind of company calls their customers names when the customer has a greivance with the distribution of their products? Most apologize. but nooooo... L4OA.com name calls. That's assine.
This isn't a case of fans calling each other names. This was business behaving really poorly.


I could never imagine Warner Bros. calling upset customers "haters"

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I really don't understand why any of the stuff mentioned here is a "broken promise". A shelved project is a shelved project, but why is that a PROMISE?
An artist announces something, then changes his mind and the thing doesn't get released. When did he ever make a PROMISE to you?

Some people here act as if they had a personal relationship with Prince. Here comes the scoop: no, you don't. It's a business relationship, he records music, you pay for the right to listen to it. If you already paid and he doesn't deliver, it's a broken contract, but not a broken promise.

I admit that Prince changes his mind quite often. But is that really news??? If you think so, then I've got the next enlightening info for you: he also wears makeup, and I heard he's not that tall. Maybe we should put that sensational insight on the front page.

Imago said:

If you think a lifetime membership is longer than the duration of the club you suscribed to you don´t understand much about how things work in the real world.

rwn said:

"Lifetime membership" can refer to your own lifetime as well as to the lifetime of the project you subscribed to. It's amazing that some just refuse to get that - maybe it should be included in the FAQs or something like that.

EmancipationLover said:

My goodness. If you read my original post, you'll see that I didn't intend for this thread to be about bellyaching but about poor business-to-consumer practices. Slddawn had a whole list of things that Prince as a business entity told his consumer base to expect and then reneged on.

Look, I'm decidedly not talking about expecting Prince to throw a football with me when I was 12 or attend my first concert. I'm talking about a history of bad business practices and how that history informs the skepticism seen in part of Prince (the business entity)'s consumer base.

ThreadBare said:

Why do you call this thread "Prince's broken promises" and not "Prince's business practices" then?

rwn said:

I am so sick of that excuse! If anyone but Prince had tried that, everyone who throws out that excuse would have had their heads on a platter mounted on the walls of the BBB and y'all know it!

If "lifetime membership" meant the "lifetime of the club" by right and I do believe, by law, it should have said that plainly and clearly, on the sign up page!

It did not because if it had, with everyone knowing Prince and his impulses, many would not have signed up for it, including myself! I was under the impression that Prince was finally satisfied with his site and would do all the stuff that he is "alluding" to doing now, on that site and charge extra fees and such as updates and things warranted because we already had lifetime memberships.

He closed the club because he was being sued by that other company for using NPG, that had nothing to do with Prince's consumers, so we should have been giving some type of warning. We could have made efforts to back up the stuff that we'd already paid him for but chose to come to his site to listen to because that boosted his ranking and we figured the club would always be there because we had lifetime memberships.

I'm not joining his site, I wouldn't care if he made free at this point but for the people who are not on my level of disgust with his antics, the least he could do for the sake of good business practices is give them a 25.00 discount on the new fee. The most he could do is honor their lifetime memberships! Sheesh, it's not rocket science but it is the excuse makers that make it easy for him to shit on his fans without regret. I would know, I used to be one!

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

The lifetime membership was for the NPGMC and not the Lotusflow3r website. If you can´t see that, that´s your problem.
The big problem with obsessed ex-fans like you is that you think Prince owes us something. He owes us absolutely nothing. We can buy his albums, join his website, go to his concerts or not.

aBOUT time we have a thread like this i'm mad and i don't mind speaking out about it. prince, when i was younger i trusted you. totally. you had me, even before hello. so WHY did you tell me that if i ate my vegetables they'd put hair on my chest? WHYY???!! don't you know women aren't supposed to have hair on their chests???? huh??? oh. wait a minnit. that wasn't you, come to think of it, that was mom.

nevermind

rwn said:

The big problem with obsessed current fans like you is that you think you owe Prince something, so you simply refuse to see the fact that if Prince had not been sued by that other company, there wouldn't be a LotusFlow3r website, there would be the NPGMC!
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HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Prince doesn't strike me as someone who is afraid that someone is suing him. You just choose to believe that is the reason for the end of the NPGMC. Like you choose to believe Prince is treating his fans horifically bad.

rwn said:

July 4, 2006, he abruptly shuts down the NPGMC with some lame "on hiatus" excuse. Then a few days later it becomes public knowledge that HM Publishing Holdings, a book company in England, filed the lawsuit on July 3 based on its own NPG, a science-book subsidiary called the Nature Publishing Group.

Coincidence? I think not!

Does any of this matter in the grander scheme of things? No, not really and you can dismiss me all you want but the facts are the facts and I've learned the hard way, that no amount of excuse making for Prince by his fans, changes that.

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

It is still speculation on your part, because even if that was the reason for the NPGMC shutdown, there should have been a way for both parties to clear up the matter. Consequently, it cannot be ruled out that there was more to the story.

However, all of this is irrelevant. Is the logical consequence of the NPGMC history that Prince is not allowed to open any subscription-based website again in his whole life? I don't think so. It's a simple thing: either you choose to pay 77 $ for it based on the press-release info, or you don't. You are not forced to do anything, it is your free decision. So where is the problem?

EmancipationLover said:

There is no problem with me. I freely choose not to. I was addressing someone else's "speculation" by presenting a fact to the discussion.
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Imago said:

Warner Bros may not call customers "haters" cuz their caught up in punkin their "clients". remember

Okay I thought of something that comes to as close as a promise. I do recall a concert that was supposed to take place in the mid nineties I think at the LA forum. I had two tickets to go to the show and a smokin hot date and just as we were about to head out to enjoy a nice night out at a Prince concert we heard on the radio the show had been cancelled and it never was rescheduled. I think I did get a refund though. I remember I was very upset but it didn't take me long to get over it. I wish I could remember exactly which year but it was something like 94 or 95.
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XxAxX said:

Mocking my thread, are you? Stalked anyone else at any bus stops lately?