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Printablepurplecam said: Who knows but Prince on the radio with NEW music and not that old 80's shit is fine by me. Great news any way you look at it.
 can YA FEEL ME?!!!  man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81 | |
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Shorty said: daPrettyman said: When I say typical 1982, I mean in writing style and arrangement. Are you saying it should sound more like Justin's "Until The End of Time"? I don't know enough about music to comment on writting style and arrangement....and I've never even heard JT's song you mentioned. I'm saying it should sound better....much much better than it does. It sounds like it's from the Rave Un2 album. well if u remember, the rave un2 album was supposed 2 b a return of the linn drum machine which it did. so a lot of prince's songs from the 80's used the linn drum machine. if u look at the cover of mplsound, there is the linn drum! and in this song it's heavily featured. it's alright if u don't like this song..i personally like it better than anything from lotus thus far cause it's the return of the groove master 2 me  man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81 | |
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2elijah said: Alexandernvrmind said: good post... I will add this. You say: but when they suddenly "go-out-of-their-element" it makes it harder for their fans or those who appreciate their music to accept the change of style. At the same time this is one of the things that actually works against Prince having more commericial success. Because he doesn't fit in a category. He does these albums with jazz, rock, funk, R&B etc... sometimes all in the same song. It alienates fans of R&B who don't want to hear a guitar all up in the middle of a song like I Hate U. Or the rock fan that loves some of his more rock based songs don't get Kiss. Even his own fans struggle with this. I continue to read this board despite the fact it consistently disapoints me the disrespect that Prince fans on this very board have towards Prince and his R&B based music. Some of the comments are downright disrespectful. I say that to say.... part of Prince's strength has everything to do with him being so good at doing so many different kinds of music (which is what you say above) However, at the same time it has proven to be a weakness as well. Sure there are other factors including his persona wich has distracted from the music but its also that he decides to be so diverse album to album. We only have to look at so many rock fans who have absolutely no idea that Prince is an extroidinary guitar player and has many songs that would appeal to them. Or the same with the young hip fan who hears songs like Lets Go Crazy or Take Me With U and think that Prince has no edge is is essential a soft rock artist I have to agree with you about the disrespect he gets from some fans when he cuts an R&B track. It's almost like some fans only see "the rock" side of prince's music, and give much criticism if he creates a track with a bit more r&b, soul flavor. They immediately think “ fail” when an r&b flavored track is released, especially if there is no solo rock guitar intertwined in it. I doubt Prince became a musician only to appeal to a selected group of fans.. Too many fans want to hold on to the Prince of the “Wendy & Lisa” era, not accepting that he has moved on years ago creating tracks flavored with various flavors. Either you like a particular track or you don’t, but to tell an artist what type of music he should only create is a bit reaching. Either you like a particular track an artist creates or you don’t. Secondly, people need to remember that “rock” came out of blues and so did “r&b” as well. I would like to think that Prince is not “limited” to creating songs to appeal, only to a particular segment of his fan base. Why put chains on an artist’s creativity because there’s only a particular sound you prefer to hear from him? Every song/sound will not appeal to every fan, but to assume he will fail as an artist and to criticize him vigorously for taking various directions with his music, wreaks of a fan who wants to limit an artist’s creativity. Don’t get me wrong, there is absolutely nothing wrong with constructive criticism, which is no different from criticizing a piece of art. But when you criticize a piece of art, you’re just giving your perspective of what you think that piece of art may signify. There will be different opinions about it. Only thing is, you cannot take the brush out of the artist’s hand and change it to satisfy your dislike for it or what you think it should appear to be. CHURCH!!  man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81 | |
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i'd like to get some good prince r&b. it's time for a new direction / it's time for jazz to die | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: 2elijah said: I have to agree with you about the disrespect he gets from some fans when he cuts an R&B track. It's almost like some fans only see "the rock" side of prince's music, and give much criticism if he creates a track with a bit more r&b, soul flavor. They immediately think “ fail” when an r&b flavored track is released, especially if there is no solo rock guitar intertwined in it. I doubt Prince became a musician only to appeal to a selected group of fans.. Too many fans want to hold on to the Prince of the “Wendy & Lisa” era, not accepting that he has moved on years ago creating tracks flavored with various flavors. Either you like a particular track or you don’t, but to tell an artist what type of music he should only create is a bit reaching. Either you like a particular track an artist creates or you don’t. Secondly, people need to remember that “rock” came out of blues and so did “r&b” as well. I would like to think that Prince is not “limited” to creating songs to appeal, only to a particular segment of his fan base. Why put chains on an artist’s creativity because there’s only a particular sound you prefer to hear from him? Every song/sound will not appeal to every fan, but to assume he will fail as an artist and to criticize him vigorously for taking various directions with his music, wreaks of a fan who wants to limit an artist’s creativity. Don’t get me wrong, there is absolutely nothing wrong with constructive criticism, which is no different from criticizing a piece of art. But when you criticize a piece of art, you’re just giving your perspective of what you think that piece of art may signify. There will be different opinions about it. Only thing is, you cannot take the brush out of the artist’s hand and change it to satisfy your dislike for it or what you think it should appear to be. His R&B of today can't touch the jams he was putting out in the day. When was the last "Adore"? I'm not saying he has to do Adore X a thousand but he is capable of so much more than the throw away cookie cutter stuff he's been doing. Even 18 & Over was at least original Prince: sleighbells on top of a bass line/driving synth/moaning chick. Might not have been Adore quality but it was unique. His R&B output sounds like he's trying to follow today's trends instead of creating them as the trendsetter.... . [Edited 3/13/09 10:52am] okay one minute ur asking where is the next adore (imo, Friend love sister mother wife, soul sanctuary rank up there as adore), then saying he doesn't have 2 do that a thousand times. y is the need 2 always compare what's he's done in the past 2 what he's doing now? if anything zeliah's post points out everything that his fans always want him 2 do but when he delivers it, there's complaints man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81 | |
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L4OATheOriginal said: 2elijah said: I have to agree with you about the disrespect he gets from some fans when he cuts an R&B track. It's almost like some fans only see "the rock" side of prince's music, and give much criticism if he creates a track with a bit more r&b, soul flavor. They immediately think “ fail” when an r&b flavored track is released, especially if there is no solo rock guitar intertwined in it. I doubt Prince became a musician only to appeal to a selected group of fans.. Too many fans want to hold on to the Prince of the “Wendy & Lisa” era, not accepting that he has moved on years ago creating tracks flavored with various flavors. Either you like a particular track or you don’t, but to tell an artist what type of music he should only create is a bit reaching. Either you like a particular track an artist creates or you don’t. Secondly, people need to remember that “rock” came out of blues and so did “r&b” as well. I would like to think that Prince is not “limited” to creating songs to appeal, only to a particular segment of his fan base. Why put chains on an artist’s creativity because there’s only a particular sound you prefer to hear from him? Every song/sound will not appeal to every fan, but to assume he will fail as an artist and to criticize him vigorously for taking various directions with his music, wreaks of a fan who wants to limit an artist’s creativity. Don’t get me wrong, there is absolutely nothing wrong with constructive criticism, which is no different from criticizing a piece of art. But when you criticize a piece of art, you’re just giving your perspective of what you think that piece of art may signify. There will be different opinions about it. Only thing is, you cannot take the brush out of the artist’s hand and change it to satisfy your dislike for it or what you think it should appear to be. CHURCH!! ...and the preacher says "AMEN!"  | |
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2elijah said: Alexandernvrmind said: good post... I will add this. You say: but when they suddenly "go-out-of-their-element" it makes it harder for their fans or those who appreciate their music to accept the change of style. At the same time this is one of the things that actually works against Prince having more commericial success. Because he doesn't fit in a category. He does these albums with jazz, rock, funk, R&B etc... sometimes all in the same song. It alienates fans of R&B who don't want to hear a guitar all up in the middle of a song like I Hate U. Or the rock fan that loves some of his more rock based songs don't get Kiss. Even his own fans struggle with this. I continue to read this board despite the fact it consistently disapoints me the disrespect that Prince fans on this very board have towards Prince and his R&B based music. Some of the comments are downright disrespectful. I say that to say.... part of Prince's strength has everything to do with him being so good at doing so many different kinds of music (which is what you say above) However, at the same time it has proven to be a weakness as well. Sure there are other factors including his persona wich has distracted from the music but its also that he decides to be so diverse album to album. We only have to look at so many rock fans who have absolutely no idea that Prince is an extroidinary guitar player and has many songs that would appeal to them. Or the same with the young hip fan who hears songs like Lets Go Crazy or Take Me With U and think that Prince has no edge is is essential a soft rock artist I have to agree with you about the disrespect he gets from some fans when he cuts an R&B track. It's almost like some fans only see "the rock" side of prince's music, and give much criticism if he creates a track with a bit more r&b, soul flavor. They immediately think “ fail” when an r&b flavored track is released, especially if there is no solo rock guitar intertwined in it. I doubt Prince became a musician only to appeal to a selected group of fans.. Too many fans want to hold on to the Prince of the “Wendy & Lisa” era, not accepting that he has moved on years ago creating tracks flavored with various flavors. Either you like a particular track or you don’t, but to tell an artist what type of music he should only create is a bit reaching. Either you like a particular track an artist creates or you don’t. Secondly, people need to remember that “rock” came out of blues and so did “r&b” as well. I would like to think that Prince is not “limited” to creating songs to appeal, only to a particular segment of his fan base. Why put chains on an artist’s creativity because there’s only a particular sound you prefer to hear from him? I can only speak for myself, but from what I'm reading folks are not dissing "Never Be Another Like Me" because it's R&B - we're dissing it because it is a weak song. He's released plenty of songs this decade that are much stronger R&B tunes that are widely praised - "Call My Name," for instance. "Musicology." "3121". The genre has nothing to do with it, IMHO. Prince has released plenty of killer pop, rock, R&B tunes. He's also released plenty of awful ones of each genre. This song - in my opinion, and in the opinion of some others as well - happens to fall into that second category. That's not a dis on the style, or a clinging to the wish that he'd record more in the style of the Revolution, or a longing for him to abandon R&B or to stick with one style. It's simply recognition that "Never Be Another Like Me" is a lame-ass song. * * *
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2elijah said: L4OATheOriginal said: CHURCH!! ...and the preacher says "AMEN!" and then the preacher looks at the collection plate and wonders y i not filling it with cash  man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81 | |
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NoVideo said: 2elijah said: I have to agree with you about the disrespect he gets from some fans when he cuts an R&B track. It's almost like some fans only see "the rock" side of prince's music, and give much criticism if he creates a track with a bit more r&b, soul flavor. They immediately think “ fail” when an r&b flavored track is released, especially if there is no solo rock guitar intertwined in it. I doubt Prince became a musician only to appeal to a selected group of fans.. Too many fans want to hold on to the Prince of the “Wendy & Lisa” era, not accepting that he has moved on years ago creating tracks flavored with various flavors. Either you like a particular track or you don’t, but to tell an artist what type of music he should only create is a bit reaching. Either you like a particular track an artist creates or you don’t. Secondly, people need to remember that “rock” came out of blues and so did “r&b” as well. I would like to think that Prince is not “limited” to creating songs to appeal, only to a particular segment of his fan base. Why put chains on an artist’s creativity because there’s only a particular sound you prefer to hear from him? I can only speak for myself, but from what I'm reading folks are not dissing "Never Be Another Like Me" because it's R&B - we're dissing it because it is a weak song. He's released plenty of songs this decade that are much stronger R&B tunes that are widely praised - "Call My Name," for instance. "Musicology." "3121". The genre has nothing to do with it, IMHO. Prince has released plenty of killer pop, rock, R&B tunes. He's also released plenty of awful ones of each genre. This song - in my opinion, and in the opinion of some others as well - happens to fall into that second category. That's not a dis on the style, or a clinging to the wish that he'd record more in the style of the Revolution, or a longing for him to abandon R&B or to stick with one style. It's simply recognition that "Never Be Another Like Me" is a lame-ass song. I'm speaking for myself as well. I'm not saying everyone was "dissing" TWNBALM because some may see it as r&b specifically, But as far as his r&b tracks, yes often, many fans, (not all), have actually stated on these forums that they wish he would leave the r&b, soul/jazz-flavored tunes alone and focus and release more rock-flavored songs. My response was based on actual comments made by some fans over the years and recently on these forums when it concerns his r&b flavored tracks. I do agree with you about "Call My Name" and "Musicolgy".I especially liked CMN and that song was played on an r&b station in NYC, for over 3 years when it was released. Usually you hear his older tracks played on some of those stations. But for a recent release at that time, I was surprised that track was given given heavy rotation, for that long, and made part of that station's daily playlist, considering what many r&b stations are playing these days. [Edited 3/16/09 12:52pm] | |
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L4OATheOriginal said: 2elijah said: ...and the preacher says "AMEN!" and then the preacher looks at the collection plate and wonders y i not filling it with cash | |
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NoVideo said: 2elijah said: I have to agree with you about the disrespect he gets from some fans when he cuts an R&B track. It's almost like some fans only see "the rock" side of prince's music, and give much criticism if he creates a track with a bit more r&b, soul flavor. They immediately think “ fail” when an r&b flavored track is released, especially if there is no solo rock guitar intertwined in it. I doubt Prince became a musician only to appeal to a selected group of fans.. Too many fans want to hold on to the Prince of the “Wendy & Lisa” era, not accepting that he has moved on years ago creating tracks flavored with various flavors. Either you like a particular track or you don’t, but to tell an artist what type of music he should only create is a bit reaching. Either you like a particular track an artist creates or you don’t. Secondly, people need to remember that “rock” came out of blues and so did “r&b” as well. I would like to think that Prince is not “limited” to creating songs to appeal, only to a particular segment of his fan base. Why put chains on an artist’s creativity because there’s only a particular sound you prefer to hear from him? I can only speak for myself, but from what I'm reading folks are not dissing "Never Be Another Like Me" because it's R&B - we're dissing it because it is a weak song. He's released plenty of songs this decade that are much stronger R&B tunes that are widely praised - "Call My Name," for instance. "Musicology." "3121". The genre has nothing to do with it, IMHO. Prince has released plenty of killer pop, rock, R&B tunes. He's also released plenty of awful ones of each genre. This song - in my opinion, and in the opinion of some others as well - happens to fall into that second category. That's not a dis on the style, or a clinging to the wish that he'd record more in the style of the Revolution, or a longing for him to abandon R&B or to stick with one style. It's simply recognition that "Never Be Another Like Me" is a lame-ass song. apparently there's alot of conversation going on about stuff that's been said before on other threads....not what's actually been said on this thread...  who knew?  "not a fan"  yeah...ok | |
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aw Your lover was on TV. The bright bleeding red back end of a BABOON. >  | |
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L4OATheOriginal said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: His R&B of today can't touch the jams he was putting out in the day. When was the last "Adore"? I'm not saying he has to do Adore X a thousand but he is capable of so much more than the throw away cookie cutter stuff he's been doing. Even 18 & Over was at least original Prince: sleighbells on top of a bass line/driving synth/moaning chick. Might not have been Adore quality but it was unique. His R&B output sounds like he's trying to follow today's trends instead of creating them as the trendsetter.... . [Edited 3/13/09 10:52am] okay one minute ur asking where is the next adore (imo, Friend love sister mother wife, soul sanctuary rank up there as adore), then saying he doesn't have 2 do that a thousand times. y is the need 2 always compare what's he's done in the past 2 what he's doing now? if anything zeliah's post points out everything that his fans always want him 2 do but when he delivers it, there's complaints I'm not asking for duplication of music, just duplication of heart. This song is a piece of trash and it has nothing to do with it's musical category. It has to do with the fact that Prince is on autopilot with a lot of his music in the last 10 years. Rainbow Children, whatever you have to say about it lyrically, is absolute brilliance musically. How can someone release an album like that and then go on to that lazy piece of filth called Musuckology? I like a lot of what's been heard so far but this isn't on par with Colonized Mind that is for sure. I completely agree with you shorty  2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: L4OATheOriginal said: okay one minute ur asking where is the next adore (imo, Friend love sister mother wife, soul sanctuary rank up there as adore), then saying he doesn't have 2 do that a thousand times. y is the need 2 always compare what's he's done in the past 2 what he's doing now? if anything zeliah's post points out everything that his fans always want him 2 do but when he delivers it, there's complaints I'm not asking for duplication of music, just duplication of heart. This song is a piece of trash and it has nothing to do with it's musical category. It has to do with the fact that Prince is on autopilot with a lot of his music in the last 10 years. Rainbow Children, whatever you have to say about it lyrically, is absolute brilliance musically. How can someone release an album like that and then go on to that lazy piece of filth called Musuckology? I like a lot of what's been heard so far but this isn't on par with Colonized Mind that is for sure. I completely agree with you shorty alright u like colonized mind where i prefer another like me it's all good ..but i tell u what ..u disagree with me ONE MO TIME ..and i'm gonna b YOUR Healer!!
 where is new amerykah pt 2 ..oops wrong thread  man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81 | |
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what's the deal with the "pennies should scatter" line..
he's used this line on Mr. Goodnight we need to retire this line please.. or find another line that rhymes.. geez  [Edited 3/18/09 1:01am] | |
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Sdldawn said: what's the deal with the "pennies should scatter" line..
he's used this line on Mr. Goodnight we need to retire this line please.. or find another line that rhymes.. geez
[Edited 3/18/09 1:01am] I think that's the new phrase he's using 2 try 2 b "hip" 2 young folks. **--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••-
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daPrettyman said: Sdldawn said: what's the deal with the "pennies should scatter" line..
he's used this line on Mr. Goodnight we need to retire this line please.. or find another line that rhymes.. geez
[Edited 3/18/09 1:01am] I think that's the new phrase he's using 2 try 2 b "hip" 2 young folks. | |
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underthegraffitibridge said: It kind of reminds me of a SOTT era b-side - only emails didn't exist back then and lyrics were better.
[Edited 3/13/09 6:43am] SOTT ERA and b-side ????? no way..... | |
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to me it sounds like the npgmc stuff it's time for a new direction / it's time for jazz to die | |
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he put some olive oil in his hair..
so those pennies should scatter pure poetry | |
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Sdldawn said: he put some olive oil in his hair..
so those pennies should scatter pure poetry hold on it makes sense good quality olive oil is expensive as hell it's time for a new direction / it's time for jazz to die | |
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stanleylieber said: Sdldawn said: he put some olive oil in his hair..
so those pennies should scatter pure poetry hold on it makes sense good quality olive oil is expensive as hell
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so here it is..
he can get her anything she wants.. she should verify it with her mother, sister and brother.. there is no'one really like him.. the story begins.. he gets his lazy ass up in the late afternoon... turned on his stereo to full blast (To piss off the neighbors).. went into the bathroom, put olive oil in his hair.. then browsed his closet for a dress. checks his email to see where the party is (cause thats how big rollers do it.. he gets an email).. changed the name to protect the guilty, cause they are gonna cream at the local party. he doesn't give a shit if he has someone, or dances alone.. cause tonight.. oh yes, it is really on. half past ten.. he finally gets his slow ass to the club.. cause there is a cute puerto rican as a DJ... but he didn't have prince's new song.. cause it expired in his last club.. wma format.. soon as he hits the door, arms were all around him... and he thinks to himself (Thank god I ate my spinach) and a bunch of men were looking at him.. with a crazy face. but rest assure, prince has crazy fools with him, ready to tear up the place (Think chappelle show basketball team) all in all.. he wants some girl to make up her mind.. he tries to explain he is a dime.. and all those damn pennies should scatter.. --- sounds like a fucked up night to me.. [Edited 3/18/09 15:43pm] | |
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Sdldawn said: what's the deal with the "pennies should scatter" line..
he's used this line on Mr. Goodnight we need to retire this line please.. or find another line that rhymes.. geez
[Edited 3/18/09 1:01am] having heard this song again on heart and soul this mornin' this line really bugs me....if you think about it, it's really a pompus, elitist kind of thing to say...I mean he says "we're dimes, and the rest of them pennies should scatter" or something like that....yeah look at us..way up here all shiney and new and all those measly lowly pennies should get away from us. ugh! This morning they played the shorter version....just when the music kicks in and it starts sounding funky and almost good...it ends! it ends where it should really begin. Cut out the first 3 minutes of the song and maybe I'll like this tune....MAYBE. "not a fan" yeah...ok | |
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Shorty said: Sdldawn said: what's the deal with the "pennies should scatter" line..
he's used this line on Mr. Goodnight we need to retire this line please.. or find another line that rhymes.. geez
[Edited 3/18/09 1:01am] having heard this song again on heart and soul this mornin' this line really bugs me....if you think about it, it's really a pompus, elitist kind of thing to say...I mean he says "we're dimes, and the rest of them pennies should scatter" or something like that....yeah look at us..way up here all shiney and new and all those measly lowly pennies should get away from us. ugh! This morning they played the shorter version....just when the music kicks in and it starts sounding funky and almost good...it ends! it ends where it should really begin. Cut out the first 3 minutes of the song and maybe I'll like this tune....MAYBE. ha.. why has he repeated this on two albums? Why does he seem to think that phrase is so good. | |
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