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PrintableIt's always cool hearing a new Prince song on the radio, or seeing his new video on TV. I remember when I first saw Prince's video "Somewhere Here on Earth" on BET. Of course, had to jump on the org right away to start a thread about it.  [Edited 3/13/09 19:52pm] RIP, mom. I will forever miss and love you. | |
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TNBALM is a hot ass song! And I wish people would stop complaining before he continues to keep making that sappy ass shit like Crisom and Clover and Colonized Mind or whatever it's called. Barfs! Keep it coming Prince I see a glimmer of hope. | |
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vinx98 said: Shorty said: well...I would never say I want prince to sound like JT and bouncy but...it was a hell of alot better than never be another like me... there are people out there influenced by prince that can do the prince sound more authentically than prince. never be another like me is a peice of poo and deep down in our hearts we all know it. this song is soulful and i cant see prince ever making a song this good in the future if he continues down his current plastic direction. He doesn't have to make it in the future he already made it. JT is a total swagger jacker, and throwing BeYAWNcy in there didn't make it any better.[b] | |
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tonyat said: vinx98 said: there are people out there influenced by prince that can do the prince sound more authentically than prince. never be another like me is a peice of poo and deep down in our hearts we all know it. this song is soulful and i cant see prince ever making a song this good in the future if he continues down his current plastic direction. He doesn't have to make it in the future he already made it. JT is a total swagger jacker, and throwing BeYAWNcy in there didn't make it any better.[b] U saying he should live off his laurels as does one MJ? not saying whether he needs to "make" it or not, but really all we want is quality music or are just going to accept any crap he makes as being great? | |
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daPrettyman said: vinx98 said: there are people out there influenced by prince that can do the prince sound more authentically than prince. never be another like me is a peice of poo and deep down in our hearts we all know it. this song is soulful and i cant see prince ever making a song this good in the future if he continues down his current plastic direction. How can a mimmicker of a sound make it better than the original? That's like saying Sly and James were horrible and Prince was influenced by their style and made it better than them. I don't buy it. As for his direction, Prince is revisiting his past even more. He started visiting more of his past in 99 when he dug back out the Lin. Every since then, people have complained that he has done nothing new and his sound is weak. The crazy thing is, we will still be having these same conversations 5, 10, 15 years from now (or as long as he continues to release music). No one seems to want to accept a song or album for what it is. They always seem to compare it to PR or something from DM or any other 80s album. Sure, P was a big hit in the 80s, but he is not about reliving his hey day at this moment. It's simply about establishing a musical legacy that will live forever. think U missed the point. i never said he isnt revisiting his past, he just aint doing it well! whats the point of using the lin if you make the blandest song with tired lyrics? it aint gonna help. Also comparing that song with Prince doesnt make JT better or worse, it just means that on that occiasion he was better at capturing that "old" prince soul. I still prefer Prince because I like the fact that you never know what your gonna get with the guy, but lately his output has been poor, even when he tries to sound like himself 20 years ago, it just aint as strong. who the fuck knows why, it just is! | |
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vinx98 said: daPrettyman said: How can a mimmicker of a sound make it better than the original? That's like saying Sly and James were horrible and Prince was influenced by their style and made it better than them. I don't buy it. As for his direction, Prince is revisiting his past even more. He started visiting more of his past in 99 when he dug back out the Lin. Every since then, people have complained that he has done nothing new and his sound is weak. The crazy thing is, we will still be having these same conversations 5, 10, 15 years from now (or as long as he continues to release music). No one seems to want to accept a song or album for what it is. They always seem to compare it to PR or something from DM or any other 80s album. Sure, P was a big hit in the 80s, but he is not about reliving his hey day at this moment. It's simply about establishing a musical legacy that will live forever. think U missed the point. i never said he isnt revisiting his past, he just aint doing it well! whats the point of using the lin if you make the blandest song with tired lyrics? it aint gonna help. Also comparing that song with Prince doesnt make JT better or worse, it just means that on that occiasion he was better at capturing that "old" prince soul. I still prefer Prince because I like the fact that you never know what your gonna get with the guy, but lately his output has been poor, even when he tries to sound like himself 20 years ago, it just aint as strong. who the fuck knows why, it just is! It's all a matter of opinion. To me, it's not about capturing his hey day or even revisiting the past. To me, I think he has released some modern day masterpieces on his albums in the last 10 years. I'm not going to say I LOVE them all, but I will say that for every "Man O War" (which I hate) there is "Pearls B4 The Swine". I will admit that his uptempo songs have gone suffering in the last few years, but I still love the majority of his work (past and present). I have no problem with people criticizing his work, but when many say that he is not as good as he used to be makes me think was he ever that good in the beginning? Or were people just not used to him as an artist and thought it was the best ever? **--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••-
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vinx98 said: daPrettyman said: How can a mimmicker of a sound make it better than the original? That's like saying Sly and James were horrible and Prince was influenced by their style and made it better than them. I don't buy it. As for his direction, Prince is revisiting his past even more. He started visiting more of his past in 99 when he dug back out the Lin. Every since then, people have complained that he has done nothing new and his sound is weak. The crazy thing is, we will still be having these same conversations 5, 10, 15 years from now (or as long as he continues to release music). No one seems to want to accept a song or album for what it is. They always seem to compare it to PR or something from DM or any other 80s album. Sure, P was a big hit in the 80s, but he is not about reliving his hey day at this moment. It's simply about establishing a musical legacy that will live forever. think U missed the point. i never said he isnt revisiting his past, he just aint doing it well! whats the point of using the lin if you make the blandest song with tired lyrics? it aint gonna help. Also comparing that song with Prince doesnt make JT better or worse, it just means that on that occiasion he was better at capturing that "old" prince soul. I still prefer Prince because I like the fact that you never know what your gonna get with the guy, but lately his output has been poor, even when he tries to sound like himself 20 years ago, it just aint as strong. who the fuck knows why, it just is! Why don't you just move on to other artists ? When are people like you ever going to answer that question ? | |
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Cool. I love turning that song on blast.  Change it one more time.. | |
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rwn said: vinx98 said: think U missed the point. i never said he isnt revisiting his past, he just aint doing it well! whats the point of using the lin if you make the blandest song with tired lyrics? it aint gonna help. Also comparing that song with Prince doesnt make JT better or worse, it just means that on that occiasion he was better at capturing that "old" prince soul. I still prefer Prince because I like the fact that you never know what your gonna get with the guy, but lately his output has been poor, even when he tries to sound like himself 20 years ago, it just aint as strong. who the fuck knows why, it just is! Why don't you just move on to other artists ? When are people like you ever going to answer that question ? when people like you get fucked. | |
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has anyone else heard any promo on their local radio stations??? | |
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I don't get the hate... I love Never Be Another. Really fun song. Chocolate Box sounds really bad though. :/ | |
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Shorty said: LondonStyle said: Not a big fan of this track ....i can see the commercial pull hence the radio airplay ...and prince want to reach non-fams/fans with his new music..for sure...I think Prince music is good and sometimes amazing ...he really needs to work on the promotion side...hope lotusflower lives up to the hype...it's the right time to go for a project like this and he may have learned alot from NPGMusic Club so he should have a head start...  you can? I can't...it sounds way dated, and I can't imagine any youngin' thinking it sounds cool. ---- No one cares what some youngin thinks. Jesus they think Lil Wayne is talented. P has plenty of old folks who are interested in what he is doing. | |
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genre isn't the problem. i really think a lot of songs since the dawn of the  era have been spoiled by lame beats. there are a lot of strong melodies and interesting structures on 'emancipation,' for example, that are completely undermined by bland drum patterns and very boring drum textures. part of what made prince's early use of drum machines so interesting was the way he layered the textures of the drums with other instruments. since he decided to 'lessen the emphasis on drums' in his music, the songs have been built on a weak foundation. it's hard to sustain the energy required for a great r&b, rock or funk song when the rhythm section isn't taking you anywhere. couple this with the chronic overproduction and 'studio sheen' applied to most everything since the '' album ('diamonds and pearls' and '' had flawless production but were already pointing the way towards this level of excess) and it amounts to often pretty melodies with nothing holding them together.
stuff like 'kamasutra' and 'the truth' didn't suffer much in spite of this because they featured non-standard percussion or no drums at all. conversely, the songs that do have drums usually sound like something that comes pre-programmed in a consumer grade keyboard. in the end i don't blame prince entirely. he has always been a big fan of presets. i have decided to blame instrument manufacturers for using lame samples and rhythms in their newer equipment.  it's time for a new direction / it's time for jazz to die | |
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as an illustration of what i'm talking about, play 'parade' and '3121' back to back, focusing on the drum patterns and sounds. what's happening with the mix on these newer records? it's time for a new direction / it's time for jazz to die | |
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Really?
This song? | |
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vinx98 said: tonyat said: He doesn't have to make it in the future he already made it. JT is a total swagger jacker, and throwing BeYAWNcy in there didn't make it any better. U saying he should live off his laurels as does one MJ? not saying whether he needs to "make" it or not, but really all we want is quality music or are just going to accept [b]any crap he makes as being great? See that was my point TNBALM is not "crap' IMO!!! And believe you me I don't think everything he makes is great. Take Crisom and Clover and Colonized Mind for instance a hot boring mess if you ask me! | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: 2elijah said: I have to agree with you about the disrespect he gets from some fans when he cuts an R&B track. It's almost like some fans only see "the rock" side of prince's music, and give much criticism if he creates a track with a bit more r&b, soul flavor. They immediately think “ fail” when an r&b flavored track is released, especially if there is no solo rock guitar intertwined in it. I doubt Prince became a musician only to appeal to a selected group of fans.. Too many fans want to hold on to the Prince of the “Wendy & Lisa” era, not accepting that he has moved on years ago creating tracks flavored with various flavors. Either you like a particular track or you don’t, but to tell an artist what type of music he should only create is a bit reaching. Either you like a particular track an artist creates or you don’t. Secondly, people need to remember that “rock” came out of blues and so did “r&b” as well. I would like to think that Prince is not “limited” to creating songs to appeal, only to a particular segment of his fan base. Why put chains on an artist’s creativity because there’s only a particular sound you prefer to hear from him? Every song/sound will not appeal to every fan, but to assume he will fail as an artist and to criticize him vigorously for taking various directions with his music, wreaks of a fan who wants to limit an artist’s creativity. Don’t get me wrong, there is absolutely nothing wrong with constructive criticism, which is no different from criticizing a piece of art. But when you criticize a piece of art, you’re just giving your perspective of what you think that piece of art may signify. There will be different opinions about it. Only thing is, you cannot take the brush out of the artist’s hand and change it to satisfy your dislike for it or what you think it should appear to be. His R&B of today can't touch the jams he was putting out in the day. When was the last "Adore"? I'm not saying he has to do Adore X a thousand but he is capable of so much more than the throw away cookie cutter stuff he's been doing. Even 18 & Over was at least original Prince: sleighbells on top of a bass line/driving synth/moaning chick. Might not have been Adore quality but it was unique. His R&B output sounds like he's trying to follow today's trends instead of creating them as the trendsetter.... . [Edited 3/13/09 10:52am] My thoughts exactly. He is capable of much more. | |
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vinx98 said: tonyat said: He doesn't have to make it in the future he already made it. JT is a total swagger jacker, and throwing BeYAWNcy in there didn't make it any better.[b] U saying he should live off his laurels as does one MJ? not saying whether he needs to "make" it or not, but really all we want is quality music or are just going to accept any crap he makes as being great? Crap will never be great no matter how you serve it, what is tonycat talking about being sappy?  | |
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worhol said: vinx98 said: U saying he should live off his laurels as does one MJ? not saying whether he needs to "make" it or not, but really all we want is quality music or are just going to accept any crap he makes as being great? Crap will never be great no matter how you serve it, what is tonycat talking about being sappy? lol@tonycat...but I think Crisom and Clover and Colonized Mind are as sappy as they come! | |
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daPrettyman said: It's simply about establishing a musical legacy that will live forever.
i think everyone who posts here would like to see that happen. it's time for a new direction / it's time for jazz to die | |
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Not only do I dislike the song, I also have a hard time believing he threw it as the first track to this mpls album..
i usually don't dislike the first track of any of his albums.. | |
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2elijah said: Shorty said: you don't know what other people think. Of course I don't, how silly to think anyone can, but we all have a right to an opinion, such as yours, whether we disagree or agree to disagree.
[Edited 3/13/09 12:42pm] but you say that you do all ova your post.... "They immediately think “ fail” when an r&b flavored track is released, especially if there is no solo rock guitar intertwined in it." "Too many fans want to hold on to the Prince of the “Wendy & Lisa” era, not accepting that he has moved on years ago creating tracks flavored with various flavors." "not a fan"  yeah...ok | |
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daPrettyman said: Shorty said: you don't know what other people think. They don't have to "think". It's obvious that lots of people always label Prince's r&b as lame, horrific, and any other adjective that is bad. When they get a decent pop/rock song like "The One U Wanna C", they manage 2 find something 2 complain about. Prince can't win in some of the "fans" eyes around here. what you're doing is assuming you know why people are not liking this song. when the truth is you don't know....you just THINK you do. I don't like the song because it sux. plain and simple. Now anyone who knows me at all on this site knows that I don't critize the man that much....some have even gone as far as to call me a "fam" (gasp!) I love all of prince's different styles and as some have pointed out that's what makes him so great and different....so to say that it's the "rock" fans who don't like the r&b stuff...is pure speculation on thier part. I do love Prince's rock side probably more than I do his r&b side...but I love him the most when I can't put my finger on what genre a song falls in. I agree that Prince can't win with some fans...he's got a tough group that's for sure. "not a fan" yeah...ok | |
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laurarichardson said: Shorty said: you can? I can't...it sounds way dated, and I can't imagine any youngin' thinking it sounds cool. ---- No one cares what some youngin thinks. Jesus they think Lil Wayne is talented. P has plenty of old folks who are interested in what he is doing. well...when someone speaks of "commercial pull" thats where "youngin's" come in to the picture... and let's not fool ourselves....PRINCE cares what the youngin's think. I could be wrong but I think Prince trys to sell albums to the young and not so young, it would be foolish of him to market to current fans only right? I did overlook that it could have commercial pull to the adult contemporary audience (ala sirius heart and soul) but (imo) not with those silly lyrics. "not a fan" yeah...ok | |
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Shorty said: 2elijah said: Of course I don't, how silly to think anyone can, but we all have a right to an opinion, such as yours, whether we disagree or agree to disagree.
[Edited 3/13/09 12:42pm] but you say that you do all ova your post.... "They immediately think “ fail” when an r&b flavored track is released, especially if there is no solo rock guitar intertwined in it." "Too many fans want to hold on to the Prince of the “Wendy & Lisa” era, not accepting that he has moved on years ago creating tracks flavored with various flavors." Shorty, I was basically referring to those fans with that first statement, who have made it perfectly clear on this forum, that they don't like any of his r&b music and who have also stated that they don't like it when he creates songs that have the r&b flavor because they claim he would lose a certain portion of his fan base if he decides to stay on that route, and not do more tracks with more of a rock flavor. I just don't agree with that. My comment was based on actual statements from fans that I've read on this forum in previous posts. I'm not speaking in general of his entire fan base, and yes there have been many (many meaning not all of his fans) that want to hold on to the Prince of the 80s. Geez, I hope I didn't commit a crime by stating my opinion, it's not written in stone. If you don't like a track of an artist, then fine, but remember, many here do actually think they could tell him to stop playing certain forms of music, just because they may not like it. [Edited 3/16/09 7:47am] | |
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Shorty said: daPrettyman said: They don't have to "think". It's obvious that lots of people always label Prince's r&b as lame, horrific, and any other adjective that is bad. When they get a decent pop/rock song like "The One U Wanna C", they manage 2 find something 2 complain about. Prince can't win in some of the "fans" eyes around here. what you're doing is assuming you know why people are not liking this song. when the truth is you don't know....you just THINK you do. I don't like the song because it sux. plain and simple. Now anyone who knows me at all on this site knows that I don't critize the man that much....some have even gone as far as to call me a "fam" (gasp!) I love all of prince's different styles and as some have pointed out that's what makes him so great and different....so to say that it's the "rock" fans who don't like the r&b stuff...is pure speculation on thier part. I do love Prince's rock side probably more than I do his r&b side...but I love him the most when I can't put my finger on what genre a song falls in. I agree that Prince can't win with some fans...he's got a tough group that's for sure. How can I be assuming when so many here say how the song is wack or has weak lyrics. Those are the people we're referring to. **--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••-
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Heard it on the internet...2 FUNKY...classic Prince...eye'm glad that it will b included in the Lotus Flow3r album...yet eye'm dissapointed that there will b no flute concerti...eye think Prince is more than capable of composing it, only that mayb he thinks we're not ready 4 it  | |
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2elijah said: Shorty said: but you say that you do all ova your post.... "They immediately think “ fail” when an r&b flavored track is released, especially if there is no solo rock guitar intertwined in it." "Too many fans want to hold on to the Prince of the “Wendy & Lisa” era, not accepting that he has moved on years ago creating tracks flavored with various flavors." Shorty, I was basically referring to those fans with that first statement, who have made it perfectly clear on this forum, that they don't like any of his r&b music and who have also stated that they don't like it when he creates songs that have the r&b flavor because they claim he would lose a certain portion of his fan base if he decides to stay on that route, and not do more tracks with more of a rock flavor. I just don't agree with that. My comment was based on actual statements from fans that I've read on this forum in previous posts. I'm not speaking in general of his entire fan base, and yes there have been many (many meaning not all of his fans) that want to hold on to the Prince of the 80s. Geez, I hope I didn't commit a crime by stating my opinion, it's not written in stone. If you don't like a track of an artist, then fine, but remember, many here do actually think they could tell him to stop playing certain forms of music, just because they may not like it.
[Edited 3/16/09 7:47am] ok...well, you didn't make it clear that you were speaking about past threads/posts....it seemed to me you were speaking on this thread and these posts...sorry for the misunderstanding. and...no...no crime has been committed, I don't think there was any reason to even say that...you stated your opinion just as I did. As far as other saying he should stop playing this or that...I don't really care, people can think what ever they want, I'm not the thinking police. "not a fan" yeah...ok | |
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daPrettyman said: Shorty said: what you're doing is assuming you know why people are not liking this song. when the truth is you don't know....you just THINK you do. I don't like the song because it sux. plain and simple. Now anyone who knows me at all on this site knows that I don't critize the man that much....some have even gone as far as to call me a "fam" (gasp!) I love all of prince's different styles and as some have pointed out that's what makes him so great and different....so to say that it's the "rock" fans who don't like the r&b stuff...is pure speculation on thier part. I do love Prince's rock side probably more than I do his r&b side...but I love him the most when I can't put my finger on what genre a song falls in. I agree that Prince can't win with some fans...he's got a tough group that's for sure. How can I be assuming when so many here say how the song is wack or has weak lyrics. Those are the people we're referring to. ugh... your quote: "It's obvious that lots of people always label Prince's r&b as lame, horrific, and any other adjective that is bad." to me...what you are assuming is...if someone says this song is wack or weak that means that they "always label Princ'es r&b as lame, horrific,blah blah blah" when that's not true at all. there are plenty of us...(me) that do love alot of his r&b stuff...but just don't like all of it. but whatever...it's really not that big a deal. [Edited 3/16/09 8:51am] "not a fan" yeah...ok | |
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Shorty said: daPrettyman said: How can I be assuming when so many here say how the song is wack or has weak lyrics. Those are the people we're referring to. ugh... your quote: "It's obvious that lots of people always label Prince's r&b as lame, horrific, and any other adjective that is bad." to me...what you are assuming is...if someone says this song is wack or weak that means that they "always label Princ'es r&b as lame, horrific,blah blah blah" when that's not true at all. there are plenty of us...(me) that do love alot of his r&b stuff...but just don't like all of it. but whatever...it's really not that big a deal. [Edited 3/16/09 8:51am] No, I don't mean it that way. I'm saying that 99% of the time here on the org, people label Prince's r&b as that. I'm not necessarily referring to you or your opinion. Just a generalization. It has been said about FBM, There'll Never Be Another and countless others (since Emancipation). **--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••-
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