stanleylieber said: jill4life said: I don't think the title is deragatory, depends on how its read.
like prince says, "there's a theocratic order." god -> man -> woman -> child -> animals so, if you're prince's woman, you'd better be ready to do what you're told. otherwise, "oops [you're] out the door." the song is a blunt declaration of prince's intention to "wear the pants" in the relationship. i think this is the attitude that turns some people off. human beings are created equal, not in some arbitrary hierarchy of power. [Edited 3/7/09 11:35am] Funny, but I don't think that's what is said or implied in the song; in fact my interpretation is completely opposite., particularly this stanza: Yeah I know U might be fine but I've seen it all before Cinderella was a waste of time and oops she's out the door To build a house together the thing that matters more Is under the floor A strong foundation that last forever more Of course it depends on what your personal experiences are... "As we abide in sleep, intuitively resonating with the sum of all our experiences - this life and beyond - we gain refreshing perspective on our efforts and have an opportunity to remember what we know." ....Henry Reed | |
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jill4life said: stanleylieber said: like prince says, "there's a theocratic order." god -> man -> woman -> child -> animals so, if you're prince's woman, you'd better be ready to do what you're told. otherwise, "oops [you're] out the door." the song is a blunt declaration of prince's intention to "wear the pants" in the relationship. i think this is the attitude that turns some people off. human beings are created equal, not in some arbitrary hierarchy of power. [Edited 3/7/09 11:35am] Funny, but I don't think that's what is said or implied in the song; in fact my interpretation is completely opposite., particularly this stanza: Yeah I know U might be fine but I've seen it all before Cinderella was a waste of time and oops she's out the door To build a house together the thing that matters more Is under the floor A strong foundation that last forever more Of course it depends on what your personal experiences are... "As we abide in sleep, intuitively resonating with the sum of all our experiences - this life and beyond - we gain refreshing perspective on our efforts and have an opportunity to remember what we know." ....Henry Reed i think it's reasonable to enjoy the song if you like it. i also think it's reasonable to interpret the lyrics as we see them. if you disagree with my interpretation, that's (obviously) fine. i'm not sure our personal experiences have any bearing on what prince meant when he wrote the song, but obviously we're free to make of it what we like. (alexander: is this really so hard) i think the "theocratic order" is hogwash. anti- freedom propaganda. i do believe every stitch of prince's lyrics for almost a decade now have intentionally tried to further that agenda, but it's cool if people can like his new music for their own reasons. it's time for a new direction / it's time for jazz to die | |
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and just to be clear:
a lot of my favorite prince music advances the same kind of "prince first, all other humans second" attitude, but the crucial difference, for me, is that since the mid- '90s he's adopted a whole theology that explains, in explicit detail, why it's okay for him to feel that way. to my mind there is a difference between the old selfish prince who at least acknowledged he was selfish and that maybe that wasn't such a good thing, and the new selfish prince who insists his selfishness is part of god's plan for the world -- and potential baby mamas better get with the program. this is not music i can get behind like i could get behind, say, the message of the song "lovesexy." it's time for a new direction / it's time for jazz to die | |
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stanleylieber said: jill4life said: Funny, but I don't think that's what is said or implied in the song; in fact my interpretation is completely opposite., particularly this stanza: Yeah I know U might be fine but I've seen it all before Cinderella was a waste of time and oops she's out the door To build a house together the thing that matters more Is under the floor A strong foundation that last forever more Of course it depends on what your personal experiences are... "As we abide in sleep, intuitively resonating with the sum of all our experiences - this life and beyond - we gain refreshing perspective on our efforts and have an opportunity to remember what we know." ....Henry Reed i think it's reasonable to enjoy the song if you like it. i also think it's reasonable to interpret the lyrics as we see them. if you disagree with my interpretation, that's (obviously) fine. i'm not sure our personal experiences have any bearing on what prince meant when he wrote the song, but obviously we're free to make of it what we like. (alexander: is this really so hard) i think the "theocratic order" is hogwash. anti- freedom propaganda. i do believe every stitch of prince's lyrics for almost a decade now have intentionally tried to further that agenda, but it's cool if people can like his new music for their own reasons. . [Edited 3/8/09 0:38am] | |
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Yes but how one can interpret lyrics really isn't open to debate. Especially not in this song. Its would be like saying the song Diamonds and Perls is about owning a woman and buying her loyalty off with gifts. The lyrics are right there. They aren't wrapped in some shroud of secrecy or manipulation. For example many on this board like Prince's overtly sexual stuff. The swearing. Some prefer his falsetto some his normal register. Some (obviously a minority on this board) prefer his R&B material. All of those things are a matter of taste. However, lyrically FBM leaves nothing open to interpretation. This is not If I was ur Girlfriend in which Prince playing games singing in a voice that sounded like a girl, looking like a girl, and singing about being about someone's girlfriend. Even though we all know he singing the song from the male perspective... the song has been easily recorded by other women artist because of the unusual bend of the song. There is nothing like that in FBM He sings in the opening lines about Folks speculate that all his women look alike (light skinned black or white women with long hair) He then says despite that reputation hes really been looking for someone like the woman hes singing to in the song that then leads into the chorus (I will remove the term FBM and put mother of my baby since some of you so foolishly can't get beyond what term means to him here) None of them got what it takes to be the mother of my child Got to bend in the wind but don't break (shes knows that there will be hard times and shes flexible and will stay by his side and not run at the 1st sign of adversity) to keep her man. Show me one of them and I will make her mine with no more drama. Mother of my child then later in the song this... Yeah I know you might be fine but I've seen it all before. Cinderella was a waste of time and oops shes out the door. To build a house together (a relationship) the thing that matters more is under the floor ... a strong foundation that last forever more. (what is there to interpret about that???!!!) I could go on with the lyrics but I will end here.... the lyrics of the song don't leave much for interpretation at all IMO If someone says I don't like the song because of the title... I don't get it because Mr. Pussy Control, Scarlet Pussy and Irresistible Bitch has used far stronger terms in other songs. Also I get it your not into his R&B stuff and don't like the vocal or music. However, what people are saying about the lyrics does not fly because we can see and read those. We can hear his vocal delivery tone and inflection and know exactly what this song is about [Edited 3/8/09 8:35am] Dance... Let me see you dance | |
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Yes but how one can interpret lyrics really isn't open to debate. you're wrong. accept it. be an adult. it's time for a new direction / it's time for jazz to die | |
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I want to make you happy, baby,
Happier than happy itself U know what? If you'll ever need a hand, call me I'll help I know what U want, What every good woman wants A man so in love with you He can't help but to flaunt U Deep down I know what U want You want your girlfriends to hate U 'Cos they can't get Ur man!!!!! [/quote] ..mzsexybaby ..She's Just A Baby..but she's my lady..my loveR..my only friend!..true love that will last!..PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND..WHAT SHE SEES IN AN OLDER MAN..they never stop 2 think that maybe i'm what she's looking 4..THEY NEVER TAKE THE TIME..2 look in her mind | |
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Sdldawn said: ThreadBare said: Now, compare that with, say, "House of Cards" or "All I Need" and FBM's shortcomings become glaring... Prince isn't even in that same arena with songs like this.. All I Need and House of Cards are attempts at becoming timeless art.. Of course, this is when you have a group of people who's opinions matter.. I guess if Prince is the only decision maker involved.. he will continue to pump out songs that only deteriorate as time goes by. I've noticed alot of your posts you seem to becoming the new Bart Van whathisname. Maybe your one and the same. Future Baby Mama is great, the vocals are divine. It has alot of the trademark Prince ballad elements to it, I do feel it was a little out of place on Planet Earth, would have fitted better on 3121 as would Mr Goodnight. [Edited 3/8/09 15:10pm] [Edited 3/8/09 15:55pm] [Edited 3/8/09 15:56pm] | |
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Sdldawn said:[quote] Alexandernvrmind said: http://www.metrolyrics.co...rince.html I fail to see how these lyrics are bat shit? You all are talking out of your asses. I wonder if the lyric to the One U Want to C are bat shit? What about U Got the Look... Ur face if jammin your body's heckaslammin. Yeah there are some genius lyrics Don't like the song all you want... but I fail to see whats Bat Shit about Lyrics that Princes reflects on past loves and the reputation hes developed because of it. Finds the love of his life and explains despite what she has heard hes so in love with her that he sees her as the mother of his child. Or explaining that in a relationship that he really appreciates a woman that will stand by him even in the storms (gotta bend in the wind but don't break to keep your man) The thing that is bat shit is your friggin brain The lyrics are great calm down... I will never, ever take some song entitled "future baby mama" seriously. I don't give a fuck if shakespear wrote the lyrics.. it's a cop out, carrot on the stick cliche phrase that I never thought prince would stoop to. [Edited 3/4/09 20:17pm] [/quote Until the prince song came out I had never heard the phrase Future Baby Mama and haven't heard it in any other context. I guess it's an American thing, what's so wrong with the title? | |
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..when u break-down the title..those 3words..
..HERE WE R FOLKS!!..she has 2 have the-look... ...she has 2 b more than JUST a HOT-THANG!.. ..besides..prince is interested in something more than JUST 'sugar-walls'.. ...'do u wanna..play with me?'..'when u smile..4 me!'.. ..mzsexybaby'i'm goning 2 the crystal-ball' ..She's Just A Baby..but she's my lady..my loveR..my only friend!..true love that will last!..PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND..WHAT SHE SEES IN AN OLDER MAN..they never stop 2 think that maybe i'm what she's looking 4..THEY NEVER TAKE THE TIME..2 look in her mind | |
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stanleylieber said: Alexandernvrmind said: To stanleylieber
Yes but how one can interpret lyrics really isn't open to debate. you're wrong. accept it. be an adult. Be an adult? Your too funny lol! Look man regardless of if you like it or not. There no other interpretation of the lyrics of that song other than dude is madly in love and feels like he met a woman worthy of having children with. The kind that he can build a strong foundation with.... one that will stand by his side Its really that simple and we know this because we can read the lyrics Dance... Let me see you dance | |
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mzkqueen03 said: I want to make you happy, baby,
Happier than happy itself U know what? If you'll ever need a hand, call me I'll help I know what U want, What every good woman wants A man so in love with you He can't help but to flaunt U Deep down I know what U want You want your girlfriends to hate U 'Cos they can't get Ur man!!!!! ..mzsexybaby [/quote] its ridiculous isn't it.... How can anyone interpret anything but complete love in the lyrics Dance... Let me see you dance | |
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mushmackalenta said: Sdldawn said: Prince isn't even in that same arena with songs like this.. All I Need and House of Cards are attempts at becoming timeless art.. Of course, this is when you have a group of people who's opinions matter.. I guess if Prince is the only decision maker involved.. he will continue to pump out songs that only deteriorate as time goes by. I've noticed alot of your posts you seem to becoming the new Bart Van whathisname. Maybe your one and the same. Future Baby Mama is great, the vocals are divine. It has alot of the trademark Prince ballad elements to it, I do feel it was a little out of place on Planet Earth, would have fitted better on 3121 as would Mr Goodnight. [Edited 3/8/09 15:10pm] [Edited 3/8/09 15:55pm] [Edited 3/8/09 15:56pm] considering it took you about an hour to edit your post.. I'm a bit afraid you might actually be lurking around my posts. stalker beware! I post what I want, and could give a shit less how you feel. so instead of critiquing how I feel about it, express yours without spending and hour concerning your opinion on who you think is who on the org. Oh yeah, and figure out how to edit your edits. [Edited 3/8/09 17:28pm] | |
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Alexandernvrmind said: but FBM ain't one of those songs
[Edited 3/6/09 14:25pm] well said Love God. Love Music. Love Life. | |
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Alexandernvrmind said: mzkqueen03 said: I want to make you happy, baby,
Happier than happy itself U know what? If you'll ever need a hand, call me I'll help I know what U want, What every good woman wants A man so in love with you He can't help but to flaunt U Deep down I know what U want You want your girlfriends to hate U 'Cos they can't get Ur man!!!!! ..mzsexybaby its ridiculous isn't it.... How can anyone interpret anything but complete love in the lyrics[/quote] TRUE !!! | |
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mzkqueen03 said: ..when u break-down the title..those 3words..
..HERE WE R FOLKS!!..she has 2 have the-look... ...she has 2 b more than JUST a HOT-THANG!.. ..besides..prince is interested in something more than JUST 'sugar-walls'.. ...'do u wanna..play with me?'..'when u smile..4 me!'.. ..mzsexybaby'i'm goning 2 the crystal-ball' | |
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Alexandernvrmind said: To stanleylieber
Yes but how one can interpret lyrics really isn't open to debate. Especially not in this song. Its would be like saying the song Diamonds and Perls is about owning a woman and buying her loyalty off with gifts. The lyrics are right there. They aren't wrapped in some shroud of secrecy or manipulation. For example many on this board like Prince's overtly sexual stuff. The swearing. Some prefer his falsetto some his normal register. Some (obviously a minority on this board) prefer his R&B material. All of those things are a matter of taste. However, lyrically FBM leaves nothing open to interpretation. This is not If I was ur Girlfriend in which Prince playing games singing in a voice that sounded like a girl, looking like a girl, and singing about being about someone's girlfriend. Even though we all know he singing the song from the male perspective... the song has been easily recorded by other women artist because of the unusual bend of the song. There is nothing like that in FBM He sings in the opening lines about Folks speculate that all his women look alike (light skinned black or white women with long hair) He then says despite that reputation hes really been looking for someone like the woman hes singing to in the song that then leads into the chorus (I will remove the term FBM and put mother of my baby since some of you so foolishly can't get beyond what term means to him here) None of them got what it takes to be the mother of my child Got to bend in the wind but don't break (shes knows that there will be hard times and shes flexible and will stay by his side and not run at the 1st sign of adversity) to keep her man. Show me one of them and I will make her mine with no more drama. Mother of my child then later in the song this... Yeah I know you might be fine but I've seen it all before. Cinderella was a waste of time and oops shes out the door. To build a house together (a relationship) the thing that matters more is under the floor ... a strong foundation that last forever more. (what is there to interpret about that???!!!) I could go on with the lyrics but I will end here.... the lyrics of the song don't leave much for interpretation at all IMO If someone says I don't like the song because of the title... I don't get it because Mr. Pussy Control, Scarlet Pussy and Irresistible Bitch has used far stronger terms in other songs. Also I get it your not into his R&B stuff and don't like the vocal or music. However, what people are saying about the lyrics does not fly because we can see and read those. We can hear his vocal delivery tone and inflection and know exactly what this song is about [Edited 3/8/09 8:35am] WELL SAID | |
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mushmackalenta said:[quote] Sdldawn said: Alexandernvrmind said: http://www.metrolyrics.co...rince.html I fail to see how these lyrics are bat shit? You all are talking out of your asses. I wonder if the lyric to the One U Want to C are bat shit? What about U Got the Look... Ur face if jammin your body's heckaslammin. Yeah there are some genius lyrics Don't like the song all you want... but I fail to see whats Bat Shit about Lyrics that Princes reflects on past loves and the reputation hes developed because of it. Finds the love of his life and explains despite what she has heard hes so in love with her that he sees her as the mother of his child. Or explaining that in a relationship that he really appreciates a woman that will stand by him even in the storms (gotta bend in the wind but don't break to keep your man) The thing that is bat shit is your friggin brain The lyrics are great calm down... I will never, ever take some song entitled "future baby mama" seriously. I don't give a fuck if shakespear wrote the lyrics.. it's a cop out, carrot on the stick cliche phrase that I never thought prince would stoop to. [Edited 3/4/09 20:17pm] [/quote Until the prince song came out I had never heard the phrase Future Baby Mama and haven't heard it in any other context. I guess it's an American thing, what's so wrong with the title? I refuse to take anyone seriously who canĀ“t spell Shakespeare. | |
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Alexandernvrmind said: To stanleylieber
Yes but how one can interpret lyrics really isn't open to debate. Especially not in this song. Its would be like saying the song Diamonds and Perls is about owning a woman and buying her loyalty off with gifts. The lyrics are right there. They aren't wrapped in some shroud of secrecy or manipulation. For example many on this board like Prince's overtly sexual stuff. The swearing. Some prefer his falsetto some his normal register. Some (obviously a minority on this board) prefer his R&B material. All of those things are a matter of taste. However, lyrically FBM leaves nothing open to interpretation. This is not If I was ur Girlfriend in which Prince playing games singing in a voice that sounded like a girl, looking like a girl, and singing about being about someone's girlfriend. Even though we all know he singing the song from the male perspective... the song has been easily recorded by other women artist because of the unusual bend of the song. There is nothing like that in FBM He sings in the opening lines about Folks speculate that all his women look alike (light skinned black or white women with long hair) He then says despite that reputation hes really been looking for someone like the woman hes singing to in the song that then leads into the chorus (I will remove the term FBM and put mother of my baby since some of you so foolishly can't get beyond what term means to him here) None of them got what it takes to be the mother of my child Got to bend in the wind but don't break (shes knows that there will be hard times and shes flexible and will stay by his side and not run at the 1st sign of adversity) to keep her man. Show me one of them and I will make her mine with no more drama. Mother of my child then later in the song this... Yeah I know you might be fine but I've seen it all before. Cinderella was a waste of time and oops shes out the door. To build a house together (a relationship) the thing that matters more is under the floor ... a strong foundation that last forever more. (what is there to interpret about that???!!!) I could go on with the lyrics but I will end here.... the lyrics of the song don't leave much for interpretation at all IMO If someone says I don't like the song because of the title... I don't get it because Mr. Pussy Control, Scarlet Pussy and Irresistible Bitch has used far stronger terms in other songs. Also I get it your not into his R&B stuff and don't like the vocal or music. However, what people are saying about the lyrics does not fly because we can see and read those. We can hear his vocal delivery tone and inflection and know exactly what this song is about [Edited 3/8/09 8:35am] U are absolutely right about the song. Some folks in here bring their own hang-uups to the song and completely take it out of context. Prince basically sought to reclaim the term "baby mama" and give it the respect it deserves. Its a play on perceptions just like "Pussy Control" was. If your mind is to literal I guess u can't get past the title, but that is problem with your level of intelligence. | |
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Cuddles said: shoe was the gem among all of PE
Now I can agree with you completely on that one. I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that | |
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piccolo7 said: However, lyrically FBM leaves nothing open to interpretation. This is not If I was ur Girlfriend in which Prince playing games singing in a voice that sounded like a girl, looking like a girl, and singing about being about someone's girlfriend. Even though we all know he singing the song from the male perspective... the song has been easily recorded by other women artist because of the unusual bend of the song.
There is nothing like that in FBM He sings in the opening lines about Folks speculate that all his women look alike (light skinned black or white women with long hair) He then says despite that reputation hes really been looking for someone like the woman hes singing to in the song that then leads into the chorus (I will remove the term FBM and put mother of my baby since some of you so foolishly can't get beyond what term means to him here) None of them got what it takes to be the mother of my child Got to bend in the wind but don't break (shes knows that there will be hard times and shes flexible and will stay by his side and not run at the 1st sign of adversity) to keep her man. Show me one of them and I will make her mine with no more drama. Mother of my child then later in the song this... Yeah I know you might be fine but I've seen it all before. Cinderella was a waste of time and oops shes out the door. To build a house together (a relationship) the thing that matters more is under the floor ... a strong foundation that last forever more. (what is there to interpret about that???!!!) I could go on with the lyrics but I will end here.... the lyrics of the song don't leave much for interpretation at all IMO [Edited 3/8/09 8:35am] WELL SAID [/quote] Why his songs have to be in cryptic code? Cant they just be slow jams? I dont think My Love Is Forever or Adore was very cryptic at all. Straight Jacket Funk Affair
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purplecam said: Cuddles said: shoe was the gem among all of PE
Now I can agree with you completely on that one. Shoe is an amazing song... Shoe and FBM are the only songs I listen to from that disc Dance... Let me see you dance | |
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Alexandernvrmind said: To stanleylieber
Yes but how one can interpret lyrics really isn't open to debate. Actually it is; the difference of opinions on this thread proves that. If, as you say, the interpretation of the lyrics weren't open to debate then everyone on this thread would agree. What you seem to mean is closer to, "My [Alexandernvrmind] interpretation of the lyrics is not open to debate." | |
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DevotedPuppy said: Alexandernvrmind said: To stanleylieber
Yes but how one can interpret lyrics really isn't open to debate. Actually it is; the difference of opinions on this thread proves that. If, as you say, the interpretation of the lyrics weren't open to debate then everyone on this thread would agree. What you seem to mean is closer to, "My [Alexandernvrmind] interpretation of the lyrics is not open to debate." No what I meant was in a song like FBM the lyrics aren't open to debate You can interpret that the lyrics to Sign of the Times are about a long lost love all you want. Doesn't make you right or very observant now does it? You could interpret that the lyrics to a song like Pussy Control are about a woman who sleeps around with everyone and gets paid while doing it but if you were to do that people would call you out because the song clearly isn't about that despite the vulgar title. We can read the lyrics and know that in that song he is talking about a woman who has herself together and was taught the value of modesty, education, and self respect. Nope you go on believing that the lyrics to FBM are open to interpretation all you want... lol!! Hey did you know pigs can fly? [Edited 3/9/09 8:09am] Dance... Let me see you dance | |
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Naaah...
The weakest spot of the album, together with Mr. Goodnight. Annoying and generic, 'contemporary' R&B with lame lyrics. | |
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Riverpoet31 said: Naaah...
The weakest spot of the album, together with Mr. Goodnight. Annoying and generic, 'contemporary' R&B with lame lyrics. the lyrics are posted in this thread... care to elaborate on why you feel they are weak? Thanks I'm Curious.... do you feel like the One U Want to C is a stong song? How about those lyrics. Dance... Let me see you dance | |
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TyphoonTip said: Love 'Future Baby Mama'. Great melody in the verses. Lyrics are fine without being exceptional. Certainly not bad enough to distract from the song.
I really like the phrasing in certain parts of the song. Particularly the "..Show me one of them and I'll make her mine with no more drama". And how the second time around the phrasing changes to accommodate a different starting point for the line. Fantastic. 'The One U Wanna C', however is not only the worst song on the album, I struggle to think of a Prince song that makes me cringe the way that one does. It may be the only Prince song that has got absolutely no redeeming features. Just thinking about it makes me feel a bit nauseous. yes the One U Want to see is sorta like bad cheese.... yet folks love it. Talk about lyrics. Oh well the masses on this board just want a contemporary Rock record. Damn to hell if its a good one. lol! And then have the merve to imply that Purple Rain was a rock record!! Dance... Let me see you dance | |
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stanleylieber said: jill4life said: Funny, but I don't think that's what is said or implied in the song; in fact my interpretation is completely opposite., particularly this stanza: Yeah I know U might be fine but I've seen it all before Cinderella was a waste of time and oops she's out the door To build a house together the thing that matters more Is under the floor A strong foundation that last forever more Of course it depends on what your personal experiences are... "As we abide in sleep, intuitively resonating with the sum of all our experiences - this life and beyond - we gain refreshing perspective on our efforts and have an opportunity to remember what we know." ....Henry Reed i think it's reasonable to enjoy the song if you like it. i also think it's reasonable to interpret the lyrics as we see them. if you disagree with my interpretation, that's (obviously) fine. i'm not sure our personal experiences have any bearing on what prince meant when he wrote the song, but obviously we're free to make of it what we like. (alexander: is this really so hard) i think the "theocratic order" is hogwash. anti- freedom propaganda. i do believe every stitch of prince's lyrics for almost a decade now have intentionally tried to further that agenda, but it's cool if people can like his new music for their own reasons. Again... you know what the problem is here. Your interpretation of the song has more to do with your issues with Prince's religion as opposed to what the song is actually about. That is now perfectly clear to me. Just as I said earlier people bring their own bagage into the song. hilarious! [Edited 3/9/09 8:57am] Dance... Let me see you dance | |
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Alexandernvrmind said: Oh well the masses on this board just want a contemporary Rock record.
it's weird that you keep accusing people of being delusional but then insist on things like this. people not liking prince being "funky fresh for the '90s" is not an indictment of r&b -- it's an indictment of how chasing trends has sucked the life out of his music. in spite of your insults, i like this song. the music, to me is the best on any of his albums in a long time. note how the beat isn't something you'd find programmed into a consumer grade keyboard (i'm looking at you, every prince album since 1995). i just don't like the lyrics. it's time for a new direction / it's time for jazz to die | |
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