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Reply #30 posted 03/04/09 8:45pm

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Alexandernvrmind said:

lspear76 said:



No way man. The song is good until about half way thru, until Prince extends the song with a lame speaking part... it falls prey to the "random words" syndrome, when Prince runs out of ideas for a song so he just talks over it for a good 2 minutes. "Future Baby Mama" turned a nice little rock record into some kind of lame r&b experiment. The second half of the album is a complete bomb.


I assure you there is nothing "rock" about Future Baby Mama. Nothing...nada. zilch. I don't know what it is with this board that people don't respect Prince and his R&B music. I will tell you this fans of his R&B music have been waiting for years for him to do just that kind of album and not screw up the flow with some corny ass rock song like Gold, Right the Wrong, or A Million Days.

Get over it Prince is black and grew up on R&B... its also where the vast majority of his fan base comes from. He could no more stop doing R&B than he could stop being black.

Oh yeah....There is nothing experimental about FBM either!


I know Future Baby Mama is not rock. I said that the song ruins the flow of the (up until then) rockish album.

And you're not right about most of Prince's fans being r&b fans. Prince was a relatively minor artist until his rock-pop album, Purple Rain, came out. When Doves Cry, Let's Go Crazy, Purple Rain. He gained all those millions of fans because he made a rock album, not regular r&b. With his early albums, he only had a modest fanbase. That's why Prince is so disappointing, because he never recaptured that again. That's why his r&b albums fail miserably. Everyone's been waiting for him to make another great rock record, but he's always diappointed us.
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Reply #31 posted 03/04/09 8:47pm

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lspear76 said:

Alexandernvrmind said:



I assure you there is nothing "rock" about Future Baby Mama. Nothing...nada. zilch. I don't know what it is with this board that people don't respect Prince and his R&B music. I will tell you this fans of his R&B music have been waiting for years for him to do just that kind of album and not screw up the flow with some corny ass rock song like Gold, Right the Wrong, or A Million Days.

Get over it Prince is black and grew up on R&B... its also where the vast majority of his fan base comes from. He could no more stop doing R&B than he could stop being black.

Oh yeah....There is nothing experimental about FBM either!


I know Future Baby Mama is not rock. I said that the song ruins the flow of the (up until then) rockish album.

And you're not right about most of Prince's fans being r&b fans. Prince was a relatively minor artist until his rock-pop album, Purple Rain, came out. When Doves Cry, Let's Go Crazy, Purple Rain. He gained all those millions of fans because he made a rock album, not regular r&b. With his early albums, he only had a modest fanbase. That's why Prince is so disappointing, because he never recaptured that again. That's why his r&b albums fail miserably. Everyone's been waiting for him to make another great rock record, but he's always diappointed us.
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You strike valid points.. cause I am not keen on his r&b side.. especially his 90's stuff..

he was more dynamic in his experimental sides..
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Reply #32 posted 03/04/09 8:47pm

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I'd say this is probably my absolute least favorite song on the album. I think it sounds super cheezball & corny as my grandma's feet! It sounds like he's trying to sound cool & he doesn't @ all imo. to each their own but whofarted barf for me
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Reply #33 posted 03/04/09 8:52pm

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It's not a bad song but it's not all that either. I have to be in the mood to listen to it if it come up on my iPod.
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Reply #34 posted 03/04/09 9:35pm

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lspear76 said:

Alexandernvrmind said:



I assure you there is nothing "rock" about Future Baby Mama. Nothing...nada. zilch. I don't know what it is with this board that people don't respect Prince and his R&B music. I will tell you this fans of his R&B music have been waiting for years for him to do just that kind of album and not screw up the flow with some corny ass rock song like Gold, Right the Wrong, or A Million Days.

Get over it Prince is black and grew up on R&B... its also where the vast majority of his fan base comes from. He could no more stop doing R&B than he could stop being black.

Oh yeah....There is nothing experimental about FBM either!


I know Future Baby Mama is not rock. I said that the song ruins the flow of the (up until then) rockish album.

And you're not right about most of Prince's fans being r&b fans. Prince was a relatively minor artist until his rock-pop album, Purple Rain, came out. When Doves Cry, Let's Go Crazy, Purple Rain. He gained all those millions of fans because he made a rock album, not regular r&b. With his early albums, he only had a modest fanbase. That's why Prince is so disappointing, because he never recaptured that again. That's why his r&b albums fail miserably. Everyone's been waiting for him to make another great rock record, but he's always diappointed us.
[Edited 3/4/09 20:46pm]

That's not true. Prince really broke out with 1999. That was during the time when MTV took off and they couldn't hold back playing 1999 and LRC. That's the reason why he was able to get a movie deal.

If I'm not mistaken, P had quite a few pop hits off of this album: 1999, LRC, and Delirious were all big. That's when he truly became a crossover act. I believe that 1999 was issued as a single twice (someone help me out on this). I think WB reissued it after LRC took off.
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Reply #35 posted 03/04/09 9:39pm

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nosajd said:

I'd say this is probably my absolute least favorite song on the album. I think it sounds super cheezball & corny as my grandma's feet! It sounds like he's trying to sound cool & he doesn't @ all imo. to each their own but whofarted barf for me
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U like it less than Lion of Judah or PE?
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Reply #36 posted 03/04/09 9:43pm

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daPrettyman said:

nosajd said:

I'd say this is probably my absolute least favorite song on the album. I think it sounds super cheezball & corny as my grandma's feet! It sounds like he's trying to sound cool & he doesn't @ all imo. to each their own but whofarted barf for me
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U like it less than Lion of Judah or PE?



seeing as I like both Lion of Judah & PE the answer is yes, I loathe FTB, it's awful sounding to me, just sounds like he was trying to be modern & he failed miserably, again this is just my opinion.
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Reply #37 posted 03/04/09 9:47pm

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nosajd said:

daPrettyman said:


U like it less than Lion of Judah or PE?



seeing as I like both Lion of Judah & PE the answer is yes, I loathe FTB, it's awful sounding to me, just sounds like he was trying to be modern & he failed miserably, again this is just my opinion.

I'm just the opposite. I LOATH PE and Lion of Judah (PE more than any track on the cd). I've just come to the conclusion that PE has some good tracks, but they don't work well as an album. It sounded like he just pieced together a few tracks to make an album. If he had kept a theme throughout the project, it wouldn't have been so bad to me.
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Reply #38 posted 03/04/09 10:00pm

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daPrettyman said:

nosajd said:




seeing as I like both Lion of Judah & PE the answer is yes, I loathe FTB, it's awful sounding to me, just sounds like he was trying to be modern & he failed miserably, again this is just my opinion.

I'm just the opposite. I LOATH PE and Lion of Judah (PE more than any track on the cd). I've just come to the conclusion that PE has some good tracks, but they don't work well as an album. It sounded like he just pieced together a few tracks to make an album. If he had kept a theme throughout the project, it wouldn't have been so bad to me.


I agree that the album sounds pieced together & they don't flow well as an album but I dig most of the songs on the album w/ the exception of 2 tracks, FTB & Mr Goodnight, just lamo songs that do nothing for me.
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Reply #39 posted 03/04/09 10:03pm

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daPrettyman said:

lspear76 said:



I know Future Baby Mama is not rock. I said that the song ruins the flow of the (up until then) rockish album.

And you're not right about most of Prince's fans being r&b fans. Prince was a relatively minor artist until his rock-pop album, Purple Rain, came out. When Doves Cry, Let's Go Crazy, Purple Rain. He gained all those millions of fans because he made a rock album, not regular r&b. With his early albums, he only had a modest fanbase. That's why Prince is so disappointing, because he never recaptured that again. That's why his r&b albums fail miserably. Everyone's been waiting for him to make another great rock record, but he's always diappointed us.
[Edited 3/4/09 20:46pm]

That's not true. Prince really broke out with 1999. That was during the time when MTV took off and they couldn't hold back playing 1999 and LRC. That's the reason why he was able to get a movie deal.

If I'm not mistaken, P had quite a few pop hits off of this album: 1999, LRC, and Delirious were all big. That's when he truly became a crossover act. I believe that 1999 was issued as a single twice (someone help me out on this). I think WB reissued it after LRC took off.
[Edited 3/4/09 21:38pm]


You're right he did become a break out artist with 1999, but even that album took awhile to go platinum. Once Purple Rain hit, he become a multi-million selling artist. And that album has no R&B whatsoever. I still say most of Prince's fans were rock/pop fans, not r&b fans, although he did have a small fanbase in those early years.
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Reply #40 posted 03/04/09 10:41pm

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..because prince decides he wants God 2 bless him with children??..that's bad lyrics??..
..mzsexybaby<---OH YEAAHH exclaim
..She's Just A Baby..but she's my lady..my loveR..my only friend!..true love that will last!..PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND..WHAT SHE SEES IN AN OLDER MAN..they never stop 2 think that maybe i'm what she's looking 4..THEY NEVER TAKE THE TIME..2 look in her mind
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Reply #41 posted 03/04/09 10:48pm

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Now I will admit that Planet Earth is one of my LEAST favorite album by P, but I see a lot of hate here for Future Baby Mama which just boogles me. That song (along with SHOE) saves the album from being completely awful. I'm listening to this song now and those bells are just killer, the linn drum, that bridge. I'm sorry, I just can't see how people don't like this song. I hope you're not going off the title.....



EXACTLY! IT ALSO WON A GRAMMY. ENOUGH SAID
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Reply #42 posted 03/04/09 10:51pm

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KCOOLMUZIQ said:

larksanders said:

Now I will admit that Planet Earth is one of my LEAST favorite album by P, but I see a lot of hate here for Future Baby Mama which just boogles me. That song (along with SHOE) saves the album from being completely awful. I'm listening to this song now and those bells are just killer, the linn drum, that bridge. I'm sorry, I just can't see how people don't like this song. I hope you're not going off the title.....



EXACTLY! IT ALSO WON A GRAMMY. ENOUGH SAID


...SPOKEN LIKE A TRUE CHAMP exclaim
..mzsexybaby dancing jig
..She's Just A Baby..but she's my lady..my loveR..my only friend!..true love that will last!..PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND..WHAT SHE SEES IN AN OLDER MAN..they never stop 2 think that maybe i'm what she's looking 4..THEY NEVER TAKE THE TIME..2 look in her mind
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Reply #43 posted 03/04/09 11:24pm

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lspear76 said:

daPrettyman said:


That's not true. Prince really broke out with 1999. That was during the time when MTV took off and they couldn't hold back playing 1999 and LRC. That's the reason why he was able to get a movie deal.

If I'm not mistaken, P had quite a few pop hits off of this album: 1999, LRC, and Delirious were all big. That's when he truly became a crossover act. I believe that 1999 was issued as a single twice (someone help me out on this). I think WB reissued it after LRC took off.
[Edited 3/4/09 21:38pm]


You're right he did become a break out artist with 1999, but even that album took awhile to go platinum. Once Purple Rain hit, he become a multi-million selling artist. And that album has no R&B whatsoever. I still say most of Prince's fans were rock/pop fans, not r&b fans, although he did have a small fanbase in those early years.


PR is a straight "POP" album. Pop is short for "POPULAR". That's why WDC was the first single. It was the perfect mix of r&b and pop. That is also why subsequent singles that were released had r&b flavored b-sides. Besides, P had a long line of r&b hits before PR hit. Songs like Automatic, International Lover, DMSR, and Irresistible Bitch were all big in the r&b world without even getting released as singles. From PR forward, P had developed a formula to mix in pop and r&b with a tinge of rock. He has pretty much stuck to that formula since.

You must also look at r&b in 1984. It was pretty "pop" sounding at the time. Here are some big r&b hits of 84 (from the r&b hits of 1984 cd from Billboard):
1. "Solid" — Ashford & Simpson
2. "Let the Music Play" — Shannon
3. "Joanna" — Kool & the Gang
4. "She's Strange" — Cameo
5. "I Feel for You" — Chaka Khan
6. "Don't Waste Your Time" — Yarbrough & Peoples
7. "If Only You Knew" — Patti LaBelle
8. "Automatic" — Pointer Sisters
9. "You, Me and He" — Mtume
10. "Encore" — Cheryl Lynn
Almost all of these are straight up pop songs.
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Reply #44 posted 03/05/09 12:21am

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Love 'Future Baby Mama'. Great melody in the verses. Lyrics are fine without being exceptional. Certainly not bad enough to distract from the song.

I really like the phrasing in certain parts of the song. Particularly the "..Show me one of them and I'll make her mine with no more drama". And how the second time around the phrasing changes to accommodate a different starting point for the line. Fantastic.

'The One U Wanna C', however is not only the worst song on the album, I struggle to think of a Prince song that makes me cringe the way that one does. shake

It may be the only Prince song that has got absolutely no redeeming features. Just thinking about it makes me feel a bit nauseous. ill
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Reply #45 posted 03/05/09 1:54am

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top song

its good to know there's someone out there who can do creepy right

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Reply #46 posted 03/05/09 2:15am

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lspear76 said:

Alexandernvrmind said:



I assure you there is nothing "rock" about Future Baby Mama. Nothing...nada. zilch. I don't know what it is with this board that people don't respect Prince and his R&B music. I will tell you this fans of his R&B music have been waiting for years for him to do just that kind of album and not screw up the flow with some corny ass rock song like Gold, Right the Wrong, or A Million Days.

Get over it Prince is black and grew up on R&B... its also where the vast majority of his fan base comes from. He could no more stop doing R&B than he could stop being black.

Oh yeah....There is nothing experimental about FBM either!


I know Future Baby Mama is not rock. I said that the song ruins the flow of the (up until then) rockish album.

And you're not right about most of Prince's fans being r&b fans. Prince was a relatively minor artist until his rock-pop album, Purple Rain, came out. When Doves Cry, Let's Go Crazy, Purple Rain. He gained all those millions of fans because he made a rock album, not regular r&b. With his early albums, he only had a modest fanbase. That's why Prince is so disappointing, because he never recaptured that again. That's why his r&b albums fail miserably. Everyone's been waiting for him to make another great rock record, but he's always diappointed us.
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so disappointing that you put his crimson and clover cover on your myspace page lou?
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Reply #47 posted 03/05/09 4:57am

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I LOVE that song and still play it everyday!
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Reply #48 posted 03/05/09 6:35am

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I Like "Planet Earth." "Future Baby Mama," is very sweet. cool
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Reply #49 posted 03/05/09 6:45am

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Alexandernvrmind said:

Sdldawn said:

nice melody

jaw dropping bat shit terrible lyrics



http://www.metrolyrics.co...rince.html

I fail to see how these lyrics are bat shit? You all are talking out of your asses. I wonder if the lyric to the One U Want to C are bat shit? What about U Got the Look... Ur face if jammin your body's heckaslammin. Yeah there are some genius lyrics

Don't like the song all you want... but I fail to see whats Bat Shit about Lyrics that Princes reflects on past loves and the reputation hes developed because of it. Finds the love of his life and explains despite what she has heard hes so in love with her that he sees her as the mother of his child. Or explaining that in a relationship that he really appreciates a woman that will stand by him even in the storms (gotta bend in the wind but don't break to keep your man)

The thing that is bat shit is your friggin brain

The lyrics are great



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I've been waiting for someone to post the lyrics to this song ....The problem with alot of "Prince" fan/fams is that like to keep the man in a box (1979 -1989)...I've never liked every track on any Prince Album but I get what the man's doing I can see the reason why he does what he does music wise...it really is not filler he's trying to do something a little left-field...sometimes it works and other times it's just ok....if you want run of the mill pop go by a Madonna CD ... wink

The song is pure 'Modern R'n'B' if you don't like this music for whatever reason...you won't get the song...but you may like the pop, rock, stuff of the CD get use to ithe mix ..Prince has been doing this for years .. wink
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Reply #50 posted 03/05/09 7:27am

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I frikkin love his vocal on this one - his best of the 00's. Didnt it win a grammy for best RnB vocal? I really like the melody - but i couldnt agree more about some of the shiteous lyrics....bring the song down completely.
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Reply #51 posted 03/05/09 8:07am

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Sdldawn said:

Alexandernvrmind said:




http://www.metrolyrics.co...rince.html

I fail to see how these lyrics are bat shit? You all are talking out of your asses. I wonder if the lyric to the One U Want to C are bat shit? What about U Got the Look... Ur face if jammin your body's heckaslammin. Yeah there are some genius lyrics

Don't like the song all you want... but I fail to see whats Bat Shit about Lyrics that Princes reflects on past loves and the reputation hes developed because of it. Finds the love of his life and explains despite what she has heard hes so in love with her that he sees her as the mother of his child. Or explaining that in a relationship that he really appreciates a woman that will stand by him even in the storms (gotta bend in the wind but don't break to keep your man)

The thing that is bat shit is your friggin brain


The lyrics are great


calm down...

I will never, ever take some song entitled "future baby mama" seriously. I don't give a fuck if shakespear wrote the lyrics.. it's a cop out, carrot on the stick cliche phrase that I never thought prince would stoop to.
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you calm down... your the one using profanity. I'm not excited at all... I'm just challenging your opinion. The term Baby Mama is so common these days its not even funny. You need to get out more!!! Prince didn't try and jump on some new saying or phrase any more than Hollywood did when they came out with a movie titled Baby Mama last year. http://www.moviefone.com/...27651/main

In stead of being so taken aback and appauled by the title of the song (like I saind get out more)... try actually listening to the lyrics
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Reply #52 posted 03/05/09 8:13am

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Sdldawn said:

I ain't sayin the overall lyrics are bad.. but the point is the focus of the topic. "Future Baby Mamma". All it was, was a failed attempt to become part of the "scene" in hopes of a hit..



FAIL



rubish... and even if you were correct you think it would be the 1st time any artist came up with a catchy song title... regardless of if they thought it would be a hit. You mean to tell me despite the message in the song you hate it because its called Future Baby Mama? What a moron

Now I am getting angry because your such an idiot
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Reply #53 posted 03/05/09 8:21am

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lspear76 said:

Alexandernvrmind said:



I assure you there is nothing "rock" about Future Baby Mama. Nothing...nada. zilch. I don't know what it is with this board that people don't respect Prince and his R&B music. I will tell you this fans of his R&B music have been waiting for years for him to do just that kind of album and not screw up the flow with some corny ass rock song like Gold, Right the Wrong, or A Million Days.

Get over it Prince is black and grew up on R&B... its also where the vast majority of his fan base comes from. He could no more stop doing R&B than he could stop being black.

Oh yeah....There is nothing experimental about FBM either!


I know Future Baby Mama is not rock. I said that the song ruins the flow of the (up until then) rockish album.

And you're not right about most of Prince's fans being r&b fans. Prince was a relatively minor artist until his rock-pop album, Purple Rain, came out. When Doves Cry, Let's Go Crazy, Purple Rain. He gained all those millions of fans because he made a rock album, not regular r&b. With his early albums, he only had a modest fanbase. That's why Prince is so disappointing, because he never recaptured that again. That's why his r&b albums fail miserably. Everyone's been waiting for him to make another great rock record, but he's always diappointed us.
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wrong

and the under current of race in your post is really coming out now

Prince has always been EVERYTHING he has never and will never be just rock!! Like so many of you want. People like Prince because hes funky!! His music is rooted in funk and R&B. Purple Rain is an RB/Funk record tinged with a bit of rock and pop

Lets Go Crazy is not a rock record.... its fusion of pop, funk, rock. What you think the guitar solo at then end makes it a rock song? (lord help you)

Take Me with you is rock? Yeah right... thats pop sugar

Computer Blue - New Wave - Funk bro

Beautiful Ones - Blues, Rock, Funk number

Purple Raind - A pop.. soft rock ballad

Darling Nikki - Funk, rock

Hes never done a full rock album because its not how he is wired... get over it

Not to mention the vast majority of Prince hits are his R&B records. In cluding his biggest hit ever Kiss!
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Reply #54 posted 03/05/09 8:41am

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Alexandernvrmind said:



I think the lyrics are quite thoughtful. Anyone thats married gets those lyrics. "Gotta bend in the wind but break... to keep yo man"


Alexandernvrmind said:


Don't like the song all you want... but I fail to see whats Bat Shit about Lyrics that Princes reflects on past loves and the reputation hes developed because of it. Finds the love of his life and explains despite what she has heard hes so in love with her that he sees her as the mother of his child. Or explaining that in a relationship that he really appreciates a woman that will stand by him even in the storms (gotta bend in the wind but don't break to keep your man)

The lyrics are great


As an intelligent, independent woman, I find the lyrics quite offensive. I have written several times about why I feel this way, so I'll just cut & paste:

DevotedPuppy has said numerous times:
Personally I find the term "baby mama" fairly degrading & disrespectful to woman in that:

    1. It objectifies woman as only good for "breeding" or sex with an 'oops she got knocked up' result.

    2. Being a "baby mama" implies that there is no intent from the male to get married or even necessarily support the woman or child (which leads me back to #1). This point could also be discussed in relation to the larger problem (especially within the African-American community where this term is often used), of men having babies with several different women (or several babies with one woman) and not supporting them--whether that be financial, emotional, taking care of the kids, etc. The women are simply the "baby mama," nothing more. (This could also lead into a discussion of why/if women feel the need for an 'emotional' attachment more than men but that's an entirely different forum.)

    3. I think it's a little like when he had Tony M. rapping all over D&P: instead of creating his own catch phrase (which we all know he is capable of), he is borrowing from the mainstream vernacular and it just sounds desperate.

    4. Finally, I'm disappointed that Prince resorted to using a term with these connotations--even if he's trying to spin it that the women in the song aren't even good enough to be his baby mama. (Being someone's "baby mama" really isn't something I'd want to aspire to--see points #1 & 2.)

    What happened to:
    Hooker, bitch and ho, I don't think so
    I only knew one and never told her though
    I thought about it many times (Diss me?)
    ....
    A woman every day should be thanked
    Not disrespected, not raped or spanked?

    5. Post script: Even though this isn't directly about the term "baby mama" I also dislike the part of the chorus that talks about bending instead of breaking to keep a man. You cannot "keep" (possess) a person, they have free will; and while I know it's meant to imply that bending actually takes more strength I feel it insinuates that "future baby mamas" might want to compromise (e.g. "bend") their values to get/keep a man in the hopes of being his baby mama. (See again points #1 & 2.)


I'm sure I'll get told that I'm reading waaayyy too much into it, over-analyzing, etc. but those are the reasons (as a woman, a feminist, and a Prince fan) why I think it's an awful phrase. (Disclaimer, I'm also trained as an art historian so I automatically like to look for hidden meanings in everything, even if it seems innocuous on the surface. Occupational hazard.
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Reply #55 posted 03/05/09 8:57am

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lspear76 said:



I know Future Baby Mama is not rock. I said that the song ruins the flow of the (up until then) rockish album.

And you're not right about most of Prince's fans being r&b fans. Prince was a relatively minor artist until his rock-pop album, Purple Rain, came out. When Doves Cry, Let's Go Crazy, Purple Rain. He gained all those millions of fans because he made a rock album, not regular r&b. With his early albums, he only had a modest fanbase. That's why Prince is so disappointing, because he never recaptured that again. That's why his r&b albums fail miserably. Everyone's been waiting for him to make another great rock record, but he's always diappointed us.
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That's not true. Prince really broke out with 1999. That was during the time when MTV took off and they couldn't hold back playing 1999 and LRC. That's the reason why he was able to get a movie deal.

If I'm not mistaken, P had quite a few pop hits off of this album: 1999, LRC, and Delirious were all big. That's when he truly became a crossover act. I believe that 1999 was issued as a single twice (someone help me out on this). I think WB reissued it after LRC took off.
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You're right. It was the first single in 1982 but after the success of LRC, 1999 was was released again and became a bigger hit in 1983.
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Alexandernvrmind said:



I think the lyrics are quite thoughtful. Anyone thats married gets those lyrics. "Gotta bend in the wind but break... to keep yo man"




As an intelligent, independent woman, I find the lyrics quite offensive. I have written several times about why I feel this way, so I'll just cut & paste:

DevotedPuppy has said numerous times:
Personally I find the term "baby mama" fairly degrading & disrespectful to woman in that:

    1. It objectifies woman as only good for "breeding" or sex with an 'oops she got knocked up' result.

    2. Being a "baby mama" implies that there is no intent from the male to get married or even necessarily support the woman or child (which leads me back to #1). This point could also be discussed in relation to the larger problem (especially within the African-American community where this term is often used), of men having babies with several different women (or several babies with one woman) and not supporting them--whether that be financial, emotional, taking care of the kids, etc. The women are simply the "baby mama," nothing more. (This could also lead into a discussion of why/if women feel the need for an 'emotional' attachment more than men but that's an entirely different forum.)

    3. I think it's a little like when he had Tony M. rapping all over D&P: instead of creating his own catch phrase (which we all know he is capable of), he is borrowing from the mainstream vernacular and it just sounds desperate.

    4. Finally, I'm disappointed that Prince resorted to using a term with these connotations--even if he's trying to spin it that the women in the song aren't even good enough to be his baby mama. (Being someone's "baby mama" really isn't something I'd want to aspire to--see points #1 & 2.)

    What happened to:
    Hooker, bitch and ho, I don't think so
    I only knew one and never told her though
    I thought about it many times (Diss me?)
    ....
    A woman every day should be thanked
    Not disrespected, not raped or spanked?

    5. Post script: Even though this isn't directly about the term "baby mama" I also dislike the part of the chorus that talks about bending instead of breaking to keep a man. You cannot "keep" (possess) a person, they have free will; and while I know it's meant to imply that bending actually takes more strength I feel it insinuates that "future baby mamas" might want to compromise (e.g. "bend") their values to get/keep a man in the hopes of being his baby mama. (See again points #1 & 2.)


I'm sure I'll get told that I'm reading waaayyy too much into it, over-analyzing, etc. but those are the reasons (as a woman, a feminist, and a Prince fan) why I think it's an awful phrase. (Disclaimer, I'm also trained as an art historian so I automatically like to look for hidden meanings in everything, even if it seems innocuous on the surface. Occupational hazard.



Maybe you should not play Prince records, he says it like it is... lol lol
this is Prince he just being real .... sorry ... he's not hiding anything from you this is a fact...
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Alexandernvrmind said:




http://www.metrolyrics.co...rince.html

I fail to see how these lyrics are bat shit? You all are talking out of your asses. I wonder if the lyric to the One U Want to C are bat shit? What about U Got the Look... Ur face if jammin your body's heckaslammin. Yeah there are some genius lyrics

Don't like the song all you want... but I fail to see whats Bat Shit about Lyrics that Princes reflects on past loves and the reputation hes developed because of it. Finds the love of his life and explains despite what she has heard hes so in love with her that he sees her as the mother of his child. Or explaining that in a relationship that he really appreciates a woman that will stand by him even in the storms (gotta bend in the wind but don't break to keep your man)

The thing that is bat shit is your friggin brain

The lyrics are great



clapping

I've been waiting for someone to post the lyrics to this song ....The problem with alot of "Prince" fan/fams is that like to keep the man in a box (1979 -1989)...I've never liked every track on any Prince Album but I get what the man's doing I can see the reason why he does what he does music wise...it really is not filler he's trying to do something a little left-field...sometimes it works and other times it's just ok....if you want run of the mill pop go by a Madonna CD ... wink

The song is pure 'Modern R'n'B' if you don't like this music for whatever reason...you won't get the song...but you may like the pop, rock, stuff of the CD get use to ithe mix ..Prince has been doing this for years .. wink

Well said LS clapping
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Reply #58 posted 03/05/09 9:14am

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Future Baby Mama is a masterpiece. Haters step off.
All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #59 posted 03/05/09 10:12am

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daPrettyman said:

nosajd said:

I'd say this is probably my absolute least favorite song on the album. I think it sounds super cheezball & corny as my grandma's feet! It sounds like he's trying to sound cool & he doesn't @ all imo. to each their own but whofarted barf for me
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U like it less than Lion of Judah or PE?


or Resolution? Talk about cheesy.
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