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Thread started 03/10/09 11:19pm

berniejobs

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A question about an "America" lyric.

When Prince sings "she might not be in the black, but she happy she ain't in the red"...

Metaphors aside... I am thinking this means, like a financial report, red being in the negative and black in the positive.

Like if you use an Excel spreadsheet and when you document a negative number, it might appear in red.

So, I guess my question is this. We know she "ain't in the red". And she MIGHT NOT be in the black. So, assuming she is in neither, does that mean she is at zero? Neither negative nor positive? What other color do they use in spreadsheets other than black or red?

I assume being in the red means negative profit and black means positive.
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Reply #1 posted 03/11/09 12:07am

THINKTIMM

I always thought it was a business reference... U know when a company's in the RED they're in debt they owe... and when they're in the BLACK they're profiting. So I took the lyric as... She aint making no money, but she don't owe nonting at the same time... she's just surviving day to day.

This just my opinion, I hope it helps.
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Reply #2 posted 03/11/09 12:17am

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In the context of that song I believe "she may not be in black" references her financial situation "but she happy she ain't in red" meaning communist state...You younger folks might not remember the whole Communist threat. I have a strong feeling that's what he was alluding too...
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Reply #3 posted 03/11/09 12:22am

luckybullet

berniejobs said:[quote]When Prince sings "she might not be in the black, but she happy she ain't in the red"...

Well,life was difficult for the lower members of the trickle-down pyramid... So, I understand it is a reference to Reaganomics. flag

Little sister making minimum wage
Living in a 1-room jungle-monkey cage
Can't get over, she's almost dead
She may not be in the black
But she's happy she ain't in the red

Ps. you can use tons of colors in Excel custom-wise... Blue comes up in a lot of mine...

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Also, the cold war allusion fits the song as well.. nod
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Reply #4 posted 03/11/09 12:26am

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not making a decent wage and a balanced budget for all including the country.

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Reply #5 posted 03/11/09 12:32am

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wishuhvn said:

In the context of that song I believe "she may not be in black" references her financial situation "but she happy she ain't in red" meaning communist state...You younger folks might not remember the whole Communist threat. I have a strong feeling that's what he was alluding too...



That's what I thought too. She may not have money but it is always better than being communist.
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Reply #6 posted 03/11/09 2:44am

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luckybullet said:[quote]

berniejobs said:

When Prince sings "she might not be in the black, but she happy she ain't in the red"...

Well,life was difficult for the lower members of the trickle-down pyramid... So, I understand it is a reference to Reaganomics. flag

Little sister making minimum wage
Living in a 1-room jungle-monkey cage
Can't get over, she's almost dead
She may not be in the black
But she's happy she ain't in the red

Ps. you can use tons of colors in Excel custom-wise... Blue comes up in a lot of mine...

pc
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i dont see the cold war link in this at all, is just a financial term an old expression for having/not having money. shes on minimum wage so living hand to mouth and shes not in debt which could of course be lethal depending who you are in debt to.

being in the black and in the red is more likely an old stock market reference seeing as its been around for a very long time, way before anyone had computers.
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Reply #7 posted 03/11/09 3:28am

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In short I think your right bernie nod

At least its what I thought as well
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Reply #8 posted 03/11/09 4:55am

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It has 2 meanings - it is both a reference to her financial position (no money but not in big debt - just getting by, day-by-day) and also a reference to her preferring to be in a "free" America as opposed to a Communist state.

BLACK and RED have been used as terms to describe a finanical position loooong before EXCEL was ever invented !

You young folk !
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Reply #9 posted 03/11/09 6:02am

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I think that it means if his girl was strollin' around with some punk in her black lingere, he'll probably forgive her...If it's the red...forget it. cool
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Reply #10 posted 03/11/09 6:30am

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She might not be rich but she's happy she aint in debt
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Reply #11 posted 03/11/09 6:41am

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FunkDr said:

It has 2 meanings - it is both a reference to her financial position (no money but not in big debt - just getting by, day-by-day) and also a reference to her preferring to be in a "free" America as opposed to a Communist state.

BLACK and RED have been used as terms to describe a finanical position loooong before EXCEL was ever invented !

You young folk !


I agree.
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Reply #12 posted 03/11/09 8:49am

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THINKTIMM said:

I always thought it was a business reference... U know when a company's in the RED they're in debt they owe... and when they're in the BLACK they're profiting. So I took the lyric as... She aint making no money, but she don't owe nonting at the same time... she's just surviving day to day.

This just my opinion, I hope it helps.

You're right.
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Reply #13 posted 03/11/09 12:39pm

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wishuhvn said:

In the context of that song I believe "she may not be in black" references her financial situation "but she happy she ain't in red" meaning communist state...You younger folks might not remember the whole Communist threat. I have a strong feeling that's what he was alluding too...


I think this is the best analysis.

However, if this is wrong and he is strictly talking "financial", then there is a problem. The problem being, she's not in the black OR the red... so what is she in? Is there a green? A blue? What color would be assigned to a zero or a neutral?

However, I do think wishuhvn is right.
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Reply #14 posted 03/11/09 12:43pm

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wishuhvn and thinktimm got it clapping doesn't that just make you appreciate Prince the lyricist even more? heart
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Reply #15 posted 03/11/09 12:44pm

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financial
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Reply #16 posted 03/11/09 12:51pm

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After 13-14 years I still don't GET the lyrics to this song... lol

Are they first of all patriotic (you might live a poor life in the USA, but be glad you dont live in the communistic USSR), as most people say?

Or are they an ironic / sarcastic take on people who shout 'america is the best country in the world', as others have suggested?

I still dont know.
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Reply #17 posted 03/11/09 5:07pm

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Riverpoet31 said:

After 13-14 years I still don't GET the lyrics to this song... lol

Are they first of all patriotic (you might live a poor life in the USA, but be glad you dont live in the communistic USSR), as most people say?

Or are they an ironic / sarcastic take on people who shout 'america is the best country in the world', as others have suggested?

I still dont know.



I always assumed it was the former. Prince's politcs to me always seemed abit right wing, which usually means conservative, pro America bollocks LOL
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Reply #18 posted 03/11/09 5:25pm

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The lyric has nothing to do with Communism, IMO. It's a reference to the woman's finances. She's just breaking even. She lives paycheck to paycheck. She doesn't have "disposible income", but she's at least she's not in debt.

I can see how being in the Red might be a reference to Communism, but what does being in the black have anything to do with American Patriotism???

This subject seems to come up a lot, and I'm shocked at how many people don't get that lyric.
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Reply #19 posted 03/11/09 5:56pm

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C'mon guys..He's saying 'It's better to be poor but free...than live in a Communist State'...the Black & Red thing is a play on the often used financial terms. I've always been uncomfortable with this song..When I was little I loved it 'cos it's funky as hell..but the simple minded political stance it (seemingly) takes is dissapointing..Maybe there's a cynical/ironic edge to the whole thing, but apart from his sexual politics, P comes across quite right wing at times, so I tend to think it really is just a funky "USA!! USA!!"
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Reply #20 posted 03/11/09 7:11pm

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Paris9748430 said:

The lyric has nothing to do with Communism, IMO. It's a reference to the woman's finances. She's just breaking even. She lives paycheck to paycheck. She doesn't have "disposible income", but she's at least she's not in debt.

I can see how being in the Red might be a reference to Communism, but what does being in the black have anything to do with American Patriotism???

This subject seems to come up a lot, and I'm shocked at how many people don't get that lyric.


Oh for goodness sake!!! Who really gets the lyric here? How can it NOT be about Communism? Its what the entire song is about....its mentioned in the very first verse;

"Communism is just a word
But if the government turn over
It'll be the only word that's heard "

Prince, it seems, was/is almost obssessed with the cold war and armageddon, the subject having featured in many of his songs (Ronnie talk to Russia, 1999, SOTT etc). The song is enormously patriotic (even asking God to preserve America and, hence, preserving freedom *wonders if he has the same view these days?* and is opposing capitalism against communism (which are idealogically opposed anyway), but warns that the rabid pursuit of making $, or the lack of education of children and making them "pledge allegiance" is danger-ground for allowing communism to usurp America.

What does being in the black have to do with Patriotism? Not a lot (other than you might feel grateful for the country you live in providing you with the opportunity to make money, but that doesn't fit here, as he's talking about someone on minimum-wage). She is not "breaking even", as you suggest - she lives in 1 room, a "cage" and is "not in the black" - that is, in any financial terms, not in a positive cash situation - ie IN DEBT!

Its part of what helps make a good songwriter - its a stylistic use of language, a play on words if you will. Being in the black and in the red are "financial" terms, even to the layman and Prince is just using it to imply a different statement - that, she may well be in debt, but at least she's not in a communist state.
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Reply #21 posted 03/11/09 7:14pm

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wishuhvn said:

In the context of that song I believe "she may not be in black" references her financial situation "but she happy she ain't in red" meaning communist state...You younger folks might not remember the whole Communist threat. I have a strong feeling that's what he was alluding too...


Exactly right. nod
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Reply #22 posted 03/11/09 7:15pm

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Reply #23 posted 03/11/09 7:47pm

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I always took the reference to mean:

her life is shit in America (might not be in the black = poor, which goes along with the other references earlier in that verse) but at least she is free here (ain't in the Red = not living in Russia / communist state which goes along with the other references in the song)

this is the same thing that wishuhvn said above smile
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Reply #24 posted 03/12/09 1:30am

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America has its pros and cons as well (country wise)
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