unkleg said:

this thread is not in reference 2 whether the man gets enough sleep but the actually songs he continues 2 play over and over again

L4OATheOriginal said:

The bolded part is a big reason why I would think Prince wouldn't want us to hear these recordings via bootlegs. How will you know what's missing in the released CD if you've never heard it unedited before it was "done"? There's a way that Prince or any other artist wants us to hear songs and I'm sure they don't want us to hear them in a demo form unless that's what they are aiming for. I'm not trying to be anti-bootleg in saying this, I'm just trying to look at this from a different perspective here.

This argument could have been made from 1985..onwards. Even on the Parade Tour Prince was going to be playing hits from Purple Rain and 1999. You think the masses showed up in 1986 to hear "I wonder U"? No the masses wanted "Purple Rain".



Again, see the response above. Rarely do the masses show up to "hear the new stuff" only the diehards. This is the case with most acts of Prince's caliber. Look at U2, Madonna, The Stones, Springsteen, etc....




Radiohead (or similar groups) do not have nearly as many "hit" songs as Prince does. They are not obligated...plus, they have less material to play from. Also, I would argue they have a smaller fanbase overall. Radiohead is not all things to all people... Prince is often viewed this way.



Tell that to the audiences at Coachella, 21 Nights in London, 7-7-7 in MPLS, or Hollywood California.




I remember his 1994-95 "Gold" tours...loved by die hards, loathed by the masses and critics.

1996 onwards Prince was accused by die hard fans of playing too many of "the hits". The more things change, right?
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purplecam said:

i get what ur saying ..tho priceless moments like "WELL U PUT THE MF MAGAZINE AND PLAY UR PART!" would b lost

skywalker said:

i have 2 chuckle at how in 1986, people just wanted 2 hear the 1999-purple rain material ...gee what happend when the sign o the times tour hit? lovesexy? oh ..yeah ..that's what i thought

2 satisfy the "masses" as u say, i propose prince develeop the concept of the lovesexy, act 1 tour..one half new shit..one half greatest hits..i'll walk out when it's time 4 the greatest hits bullshit comes on

iceblue07 said:

xlr8r said:

Agreed, there's a thread about this like every other week.

Dewrede said:

Amen!

skywalker said:

Skywalker, you are now a jedi

xlr8r said:

my money is on the guy with 2 sided saber

sure he can still play basketball tho'

Cx

Why you dissing this guy so much for his post? I like a good stirring debate! Surely Prince is not beyond reproach?

Though, I do differ with your opinion that Prince is just playing hits. Quite the contrary. I remember reading a lot of complaints after the O2 shows, from regular punters, that he missed out on the classics in favour of new material. I for one thought the mix was spot on.

I do on the other hand agree with your suggestion that material from the last ten years is lacking somewhat. Not musically, as the likes of Rainbow Children and 3121 will testify, but certainly lyrically. I still shudder at Mr Goodnight and most of the content on Planet Earth. I'm also concerned with the lyrics I heard from Lotus Flower.

Without wanting to cast aspersions, maybe the re-reading, and unquestioning focus on one book is having a detrimental effect. Every creative writer worth their salt reads widely and questions everything.
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Astasheiks said:

WOW - I didn't realize just how quickly an "online fan community" can turn into a judgmental, personally vicious mob - thankfully my self-worth is unaffected by online fan groups; but that said.....I enjoy Prince.Org, I am a prince fan, and as my post indicated, I am frustrated at prince music sometimes (because i'm a fan). I think it's ok to raise some points that may get disproven, may be incorrect, or may be on point -- that's fun in a fan site. If this were just a circle-jerk of prince fans talking about how much they loved everything he does, uncritically, it would cease to be an "online fan community" and become an online cult.

I appreciated Prince.org because it's a place I can be a nerd and talk about my "theories" or "thoughts" on prince music to people who will actually listen - in the real world, no one cares. It gives me a chance to escape into a guilty pleasure of mine (thinking about prince music) with others who do the same. So to everyone who wonders why I'm here - that is why.

It's kinda sad so many people's responses on here failed to reflect that spirit of community - and instead sounded like...well, i won't go into personal attacks.

As for those who said that my post reflected ideas that have been circulating for a while - fair enough, but don't attribute those ideas to me -- I am not "tired" because the idea has been around....it's not like i've been sitting at my computer for 10 years regurgitating this idea over and over; yet that is how these responses make it seem.

It'd be fun and interesting to respond to some of the more thoughtful (skywalkers) points on this.....but what's the point..... just like going to a fox news forum or some GOP fan community - the people here hide behind their online anonymity to be mean-spirited, irrational, unjustifiably personal in their attacks, and under no obligation to critically think about their words. Not saying they should - this is only a prince site afterall; let's keep our perspective but this online "community," sadly has showed itself to be anything but.

Jatrig said:

You're not helping yourself at all, this is the typical "victim" reaction from someone who starts something negative and is told to get over himself.

Nobody here loves everything that Prince does, yet immediately when a supposed "negative" post is turned down, that's how they retaliate. Ridiculous.

I can only repeat what I already said in this thread, this subject came up way too often that most people are simply tired of reading the millionth opinion on the exact same thing. Think about it, it's like every other week a "When Doves Cry" appreciation thread would appear and each thread author would repeat how it's the best song ever. Don't you think everyone would get bored of that as well?

And personally, I agree with those who say it's a fansite. Why dedicate so much time and effort into something you don't like, or something that so obviously does not meet your expectations? Or is it about finding people who share your opinion so you can comfort yourself with them? Isn't that kinda lame?

LiveToTell86 said:

Co-sign.

Though, reading threads here and at HQ, I honestly believe that there are those who do love everything that Prince does, and think that anything less than complete and undying fanaticism makes your opinion invalid.

I also agree with the getting tired of reading the same thing over and over. There's only so many times one can answer "What's your favorite P song?" However, I have to wonder...if the frequent question, comment or opinion bothers you so much (not YOU LiveToTell, "you" as a generalization ), why click on the thread? Surely you have better things to do with your life?

Jatrig said:

how dare u speak of the npgmc website that way?

LiveToTell86 said:

so what do u say 2 those that have proclaimed they love everything prince has done and have nothing 2 say but just that? i think it's great that others share the same feelings i do about his live material of late, it means i'm not alone in my thoughts. so in essence, that's also part of being in a prince community that there will b others that share ur view point, (as u have probably found) and others that share mine like the author of this thread. no harm no foul.

Nah, he aint tired, he's just getting started. Maybe you are the one whose tired and needs to take a break. I mean that with the utmost respect, afterall, those who chose to get off at the next stop wont stop those from taking the ride. Thank you for your opinion but next time be prepared for feedback. Whether you like it or not. Comes with the territory of being P fan which you should be used to.

L4OATheOriginal said:

excellent point re: community of like-mindedness, not just "fans" -- but watch out, don't get too intelligent - you may "not be helping yourself" - whatever that means