Wall said:

Read the post again. I just said "I wondered about it" never said you were the actual individual that made those malicious remarks.

Secondly, I have to laugh at the fact you are concerned about "insults" when it seems that's all you've been doing on this thread, and with that being said, at this point, my conversation with you is over.

Like I said, hope you find peace.
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viewaskew said:

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DesireeNevermind said:

I love my boy and have get on his arse at times....Play That Funky Music and Honky Tonk Woman in 2009 with all his Material. That sounds like Alzeheimers kicking in or Something?

Wall said:

And they may check me against any poster. Unlike many orgers, I don't require a second (or third) account to agree with myself.[/quote]

Yep we all got that...you're quite full of yourself

luv4u said:

Praise the Lord!!!! I hated how that thing would come here and insult orgers just for the hell of it. The less trolls in this place the better! Thank you luv4u! It's party time!

darmstro said:

There are just some people on this site that choose to mis-read threads so they can get into a "Haters vs Fans" battle which is just silly, some on this site just miss the whole point about Fan Demographics and that the people Prince employes to do a PR Job failed big time with the Oscar bash and really need to get their act together before they really mess up this new project....

Fake website leaks..."$" ...news from Dr. FB wtf?

The world has changed since Prince went online the first time he was the first real star doing that stuff back then ...now he has to deal with a big 24/7 news market and bad PR travels faster then it did in his heyday ...the pace is faster and Dr FB and Prince.org is not the way to get to the younger mentalities ...so when they do a stunt like this they need to aim it at the right Demographic....

Madonna still does it (i don't like her stuff) MJ (he's not even released a CD in years but still has it) ...Prince's new PR team need to understand who they are targeting ...this is Prince here he is the MAN ...so lets get back to the levels of quality PR in the Planet Earth / 21 Nights shows / book projects

purplecorvette1 said:

I think thats typical london/tabloid crap journolism!!!! take a fact, mince it up and spew it out to be a completley new thing. the trouble is these people are not accountable and i dont think prince realises how much damage this kind of thing does, as another crap journo reads it uses it as his own crap lead story and before you know it its on crappy GMTV discussing the demise of prince!!

BigDaddyHQ said:

I think you are so right! The actual fan reports of the night said there was an exclusive balcony that the celebs could access from the other club. This seems to me more a chance for fans to party with prince at a venue and still a chance for celeb fans to enjoy too discretely in the blacony. Again its probably just a case of poor communication in that we did not realise how many tix were available at the door - sorry prince sometimes things have to be spelled out to us!

Maybe prince has listened on here to the comments about his apparent celeb exclusive entertaining. Id bet his band has more fun with an ordianary crowd who actaully adore the music, rather than a-listers trying to 'look' hip or network. Ive never thought he was about that.

Reports at the 02 said he didnt seem to impressed with elton wanting to get up on stage with him like he had the right! or Kate moss wanting to duet with him -lol - the idea! He just dont seem the type to me to be like elton and court the media by offering his home to every z-list celeb.

I think this party/concert shows a marked move away from that perception.

syble said:

This is the question ? Bad PR ....his PR Team do not understand the Fan base or was the Fan base the target for this show ???

LondonStyle said:

Im not entirely sure who was the target for this show, but I am leaning towards thinking it was meant to be only for celebs in the balcony and fans on the floor. Otherwise the info would not have been released and tix sold. The pr was bad as it was not targeted at the end tix sales ie us. the info should have been clearly posted here like the competition for the site launch at his home. Plus a press release to that effect should have been sent out even if at the last minute to radio stations tv etc to get the media coverage, if not too many last minute sales and then the negative press would have been disapated somewhat. this way the slaggeroffers have been able to use what little info they know and spin it any way they please.

I personally think prince doesnt hold well with the whoe sychophantic celeb thing, and maybe has only done a few celeb type parties to fit in with the hollywood elite - who knows, but this seems to me to have meant to be a ig rather than a party and was miss-billed. Maybe they thought the massive celeb party last year would lead to good sales for this but put too much emphaiss on it being an oscar party which clouded the issue as to who it was for.

Only die-hards are going to queue for hours for an event that may or may not happen for them.

Ive always said prince does not have good pr people around him, maybe he neds fresh blood who will tell him like it is.

syble said:

I don't think most A-list star want to be any where near a Die-hard Prince nut...no way...that's why this whole PR thing is weird ...this mixing Oscar night with the launch or promo of his Lotusflow3r website ?? What was his PR people thinking ... very silly ...

The PR would have worked if the Lotusflow3r website had the video of the show up and running the day after....but IF it ever get's online the show will be out of date and will not bring "new" prince fans to the website...

It's just a cheap and tacky trick and Prince needs to get a new PR Team who can build on his work...

LondonStyle said:

Yes I agree, as you said for a man who is reputed to be so particular with his band he does not seem to have a good pr team, i have often wondered if he tries to control that too much by interfering and not letting them do the job effectively or if its more the case that he leaves it too alone, which is what i think happened to npgmc.

as a creative person i have discovoured that i need to be in control of all aspects as i do not feel people follow my ideas through correctly - in that I can identify with the way he controls his band members, i would assume that would follow through to his pr and web design, artwork etc. He seems too controlling and maybe that is the problem, perhaps his 'people' literally do what he says and dont move without his authorisation, that in itself could be strangling and detrimental to his PR as it seems to lead to half messages, half baked ideas announced etc

Perhaps he has little understanding of what is involved in the wheels of media, the little people, i mean, that make things happen? Ive seen MDs ordering something to get done without a thought as to how or at what cost (human) they just want their idea followed through. This is very poor management.

I cant believe that he has complete incompetents working for him, this makes me think that they wont move without his say so and that often doesnt happen for some reason.

syble said:

Yeah....I guess what your saying is once you have a good working relationship with someone you can trust to do your work to your standard you relax and let them go ....maybe this new PR Team that Prince has don't seem to be getting it right because they are "NEW" he's jumping in abit too much ??

He really wants this 3 CD project to work ...he's put alot of work into promoting the website ...but something is just not right ??

All this talk about Prince having proper PR is interesting but are any of you willing to go to L.A. and be a part of his PR team to make it any better than it is now? I'm not trying to be a smartass, I'm serious. You guys have these grand plans and I'm with some of them cause I'd love to see changes in how he promotes his music and himself but would you be willing to put you money where you mouth is with them? I'm not but would you?

After reading postings here, elsewhere and including more than a few via my MySpace page/blog from people who didn't go... the overwhelming majority of peeps said they didn't attend primarily due to economic reasons. They just couldn't afford it on such short notice... period. The rest have been equally split among those who flat out didn't know about it early enough for them to make an attempt to go and a couple who said they where unsure of the validity of the information.

Things seam to have been a PR/ communications fiasco on Prince's part. But at the same time... did he simply just get the audience he wanted? A lot of his focus in recent times hasn't been towards his fan base as a whole which includes the casual fan which would still surely sell out shows on a normal tour... but rather, his hard core internet fan base who will be the primary and regular supporters/crtics of his new website.

He and his people are aware of this community and how we access info from him. If he had gone the normal route and let the media know about the party being public before we found out... with 2 or 3 full days notice would we would have seen the tickets vanish in a near instant. Similar to what happened at the Gavensvort (sp?) gigs in NY and it was much more expensive. I'm sure people recall the race to get us the dibs on the tickets before the general public.

As far as the celebs go... last year Prince's party was the party to be at and they were there in force. This year with the Madonna/Demi 'too exclusive for even the media' party and the Elton John AIDs benefit... Prince;'s gig just wasn't it. Prince mostly attracted the celebs who are Prince fans themselves. Sure there were a few there because thier PR may have said so.... but you knew people like Alicia Keys, Tyler Perry, Tye Diggs, etc... these celebs are Prince fans.

Oh well... on to the next drama in Purple Kindom

purplecam said:

The fact that Prince's PR Team is subject on the orger may bring some change from them ....Prince wants to grab a new younger fan base and don't see why he could not do it he's still the best live act out their and live music rules in the music industry nowdays....
But he still needs good PR and they really need to understand the demographic of his old and new fans to do this ...the Stones are doing it why should he not get his fair share ...we all put our money where are mouth is when we buy a concert ticket / book or cd ...but bad PR can stop fans from going to an "Oscar Show" because the information is incorrect ...

BigDaddyHQ said:

Alot of good point here .....this could be a case of getting the PR balance right he needs/wants both young and old ...so his PR team has to do much better ...the old fans maybe can't take the "no shows" or the "last minute" stuff anymore ....the legs/feet can't hack 3.00am..only joking ...and the younger fan needs clear information and a general media build up to a gig to get them on board ...

purplecam said:

Ive always been in design pr and marketing, and im sure i could contribute to the discussion. If he asked for my ideas i would happily offer them, anonymously if need be. Im not interested in fame but i am opinionated as those who know me would agree.

as well as being not from la or the us, perhaps my laymans insite as an end user ie a uk fan who would like info and to attend his events would add to the mix.

I do wonder if the hiring of top-end people sometimes blurs the end objective as they too are so removed from the little people ie us? Im sure they are very good at getting the swingers and shakers and a-listers together but when it comes to old fashioned info to the media they appear sorely lacking.

funkteer said:

again who has 2 b there in person 2 hear the music from some other method and base it on the MUSIC per4med. i don't have 2 b in the actual venue 2 know that the setlist is a

not everyone is a

BigDaddyHQ said:

good points, and I agree entirely with you. All of this boils down to poor pr. I think the info on DrF was meant to alert the fans and it was a chance for us all to go if we wished but as the info was scant, very few people would lay money down and bus it, fly etc pay for rooms just to be told actually its all a mistake and its a private oscar event. I think they were trying ti let us know but didnt pull it off clearly. they could have emailed press releases at the leventh hour ie that sunday afternoon after the fans had been alerted two days before hand. they then could have informed the media in order to alert more local people to buy tix at the door, plus the media would have had a correct view of what the party/gig was all about. afterall his pr team must have realised the furour about his party last year! it was natural for people to watch and see if he could pull that off again against madonna and elton. the media love all that, but in reality he wasnt trying to compete, just the opposite it was another excuse to get the band together and party with the fans.

its a real shame it wasnt handled properly. I do sometimes wonder how he feels when he trys these things and the venues arent full, really down to the poor pr rather than his own pulling potential.

Now if he did the same stunt for the Baftas, he would definately have a full house and our celebs arent too proud or 'special' to not get down with the peeps! pm me prince, Ill sort it out for you! lol

syble said:

true...but this is la la land....

WHO DEFINES A-LIST ANYWAY? PRINCE AND HIS FRIENDS ARE A-LIST IN AND OF THEMSELVES
HOT CHICK/CLOSE FRIEND


OSCAR NOMINEE


OK OZZIE'S NOT A-LIST BUT YA GOTTA LOVE HIM AND HIS PURPLE SHADES!!

DesireeNevermind said:[quote]WHO DEFINES A-LIST ANYWAY? PRINCE AND HIS FRIENDS ARE A-LIST IN AND OF THEMSELVES

The "Media" and bad "PR" types that label a party "Oscar" ....why why...Prince..you work to hard for your PR people to mess things up....??


Prince Getts Off At Avalon Post-Oscars Party, Covers the Cars, Rolling Stones and Jimmy Eat World
Monday, Feb. 23 2009 @ 1:33PMBy Lina Lecaro in Live in L.A.
We'll get to a review of the show in a minute, but first, oblige us to cut to the chase and share/brag/go crazy/get nuts about something: We danced on stage with Prince last night! Near the end of The Artist's astounding covers-packed set at Avalon (for his "surprise" post-Oscar bash), he had one of his back-up singers walk down into the crowd and bring up about a dozen people to boogie, and somehow, we were lucky enough to be standing in the hardcore fan hub ushered up.

Three full songs later ("Hollywood Swingin,' "Play That Funky Music" and "Glamorous Life") we snapped out of the hypnotic purple haze and realized it wasn't just us and our Prince -an arms length away- basking in funky beats up there (don't touch him... don't touch him... we had to keep restraining ourselves), but one of the wackiest assortments of peeps ever to take any stage: gals in evening gowns like us, a couple of baggy- trousered bruthas, a few hipsters in fedoras, a dude on crutches and a star-struck butch chick who seemed to be repeating the same mantra in her head that we were as she stared and dared to stand closest to his majesty during the jam.

When Prince asked those of us on stage to "karaoke" with him on the Sheila E. hit, she was the only one with the balls to approach the mic, but he decided the ode to excess wasn't her kinda number. "You can't do it," he joked. "You're wearing a wife-beater!" He sang it himself and we all provided backup. It was the frenetic climax to an almost 2 hour set (minus the encore that followed) and P gave us all high fives (yes, we did get to touch him) as he left the stage. We followed behind him back to the crowd dazed, drained and yes, delirious. It was over just before 4 a.m.


With a few exceptions, the spontaneous and interactive stage party pretty much summed up the night. Though he kept everyone waiting outside until after midnight (many who heard about the event via fan websites got there as early as 3 pm) and another hour and half inside, Prince was no diva performance-wise. Taking the stage just before 2 am with the opening bars of "Purple Rain" as a tease, he was all smiles and happy chatter, keeping the self-indulgent jazzy noodle-offs to a minimum, and offering up familiar hits in fairly straight-forward, funked-out fashion, not to mention mesmerizing mash-ups galore: The Beatles "Come Together," the Time's "The Bird into Jungle Love," Indie.Irie's "Brown Skin, ""Crimson & Clover" into "Wild Thing," his own "7" and "Cream" (a rare visiting of his more sexed-up material). Perhaps most surprisingly, he was heavy on the rockin,' chugging out covers of The Cars "Lets Go," two(!) Rolling Stones tunes "Miss You" and "Honky Tonk Women" and a curious but exuberant version of Jimmy Eat World's "The Middle." For the encore we got "Controversy" and "I Feel For You. "





Unlike Prince's exclusive house parties or his strictly VIP secret small club gigs at the Roosevelt or Green Door previously, fans were allowed into this one (according to certain websites, the first 500 willing to pay $100 a pop got in). Non-famous might have been relegated to the floor while A-listers (Taraji Henson, Alicia Keyes, Penelope Cruz) watched from bottle service tables and the club's upper level, but the floor was not only fun and friendly as hell, it was shockingly roomy. We'd even call it empty near the back... several hundred more bodies definitely could have fit. Maybe Prince's insistence on keeping the party mum 'til day of backfired a bit. (Though, some media have reported he didn't "know he was having a party" until people started RSVP-ing and only decided to throw one after the fact, we actually heard rumors of his playing Bardot upstairs early last week). He was probably leaving room for all the celebs, but with so many shindigs to choose from (Vanity Fair, Elton John's soiree, Madonna and Demi Moore's mansion mixer) and the elusive musician's unpredictable nature, guess many of 'em decided to pass. They missed hands down one of the most remarkable nights of music ever.



Our only complaint? The Gestapo-like enforcement of no cameras or picture taking in the venue. We managed to sneak our tiny (purple) Coolpix in and hoped to snap just a couple shots for this blog, but when fellas attempting to grab images on their iPhones were reprimanded and even escorted out left and right around us, we decided to stop after these two blurry (if beautifully hued) shots taken quickly before the camera cops started coming down like hawks. The image of our royal encounter, however, will always be in our head. We hear Prince allowed the show to be
filmed for this new website www.Lotusflow3r.com (so far, no footage is up yet) so look for us (red hair, long black dress) funking til dawn on stage with him when it does.
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LondonStyle said:[quote]

DesireeNevermind said:

that no camera/no pic taking shit is getting so old and it does not serve him well in terms of exposure. but ok we'll see what ends up on lotus. i doubt it tho