dothejump said:

Wasn't the price mentioned on Dr FB on Friday? I could've sworn the price and the place it was held were announced right before the weekend. Still late but I'm just wondering.

Taraji P. Henson Talks About Her Oscar Surprise

http://www.etonline.com/a.../02/71068/

Wall said:

Wall has a point...in fact most of you do ...I said it in a thread yesterday and got dogged out by an orger for saying it....but I try to put a case for this based on what has happened since 21 Nights Book, I think Prince may have changed his PR team....and Dr FB seems to produce stories that are half baked...the whole "Leak" is an example....No ones has trust in Dr FB ...Prince need to sort his PR people out ...The New Yorker interview...The Website launch....Prince as we all know put's alot of hard work into his stage act ...so when his PR people mess up the timing it makes him look like a Fading Star trying to be hip....of course we know he is not because he is a true talent .....But his poor PR Team is Fu*k up big time and they need to be sacked...sorry...they are just not doing the job....The Indie 103 FM show was good but they did not max it out.....so to the interview with LA Times and the House Party but then again the follow up and the timing was out....

...this is just very bad work by his PR Team

LondonStyle said:

maybe it was bad pr, promotion or perhaps the oscar after parties in general are just getting tired. time to change things up.

purplecam said:

Yup. But iirc it was only on Sunday that it was mentioned that as many as 500 fans were allowed in. And then again, not everybody reads Prince blogs or forums, think of the average music lover who wants to see Prince.
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wonder505 said:

Maybe the show was the last straw .....I don't think Prince likes playing at a gig that's not full ...he would notice and ask questions ....i'm sure being that he's in LA LA Land PR companies are calling him today and asking for work

dothejump said:

But that's the job of the PR team....Prince love is old fams/fans but he's like every musician out their they want new blood ...they like to see young and old faces in the crowd new people ...getting a bit of the Prince wow factor...Sunday is not the reason...trust me if he did it in London ...credit crunch or not it would be sold out ....

This is just bad PR .....Prince get rid of the new Team..

LondonStyle said:

That is what I said in one of my first posts in this thread.

LondonStyle said:

Lol.....the new team is Prince.

Graycap23 said:

Therein lies the problem.

Graycap23 said:

Don't be silly Prince does not do his own PR ....next minute you be saying he does his own catering.....

purplecorvette1 said:

Grrr British Press!

Just makes me support him more!

unkleg said:[quote]That paper/website is a pile of shit. Most of the press in the UK, music rags included seem to get the basic facts wrong with Prince. I guess these people think he's yesterday's star, so fair game to slag off.

The problem with that, is that if he's such a nobody, why report him?[/quote]

that's the problem. but they have to report on something with their raggedy asses

purplecam said:

True. Everything was rushed because of the last minute decision for him to have an Oscar aftershow party. I'm sure other fans outside of LA would have shown up if they knew that at least 500 tickets were available. People have to think about airfare, gas for people who could have drove in from the surrounding areas;hotel arrangements would have had to be made, also consider the fact that a lot of celebrities were in town along with family and friends, so I'm sure the hotels in the area were packed and probably raised the prices;and as you mentioned, fans who have kids would have had to make quick babysitting arrangements, as well as those who had to be at work the next day.

But this one event doesn't speak for others that I'm sure he plans to have in the future if any. Good thing is, at least some fans were given the opportunity to purchase a ticket to this event and enjoyed themselves, even if last minute arrangements were made. Sometimes it is not always the "size" of the crowd that makes a good concert, but many times it's the actual "vibe" of the crowd that does.

pepper7 said:

That report sounds like it had major misinformation about the event. Some fan probably called them up and gave them that info.

pepper7 said:

Why ...that's just stupid....when it's all down to the PR team Prince has they are rubbish that's what they are paid for ...so they have failed...

2elijah said:

I find that statement strange if his PR people think his fan base is that small in LA why hold the event their....??? and why not get a smaller venue....???
Plus ...Prince is trying to get new "fans" younger people to his gigs so all the babysitting stuff is just .... hot air...

His PR people messed up ...Prince sack them and get someone who's got a better idea of what's going on ??

...ok so he did the show already..when prince comes 2 different places from now on..each place better out do the last ..whenever prince is ready he cann come over & us really good here back home in the mid-west..oh we would show bigdaddi how we
..mzsexybaby'i can't get no sleep!'

LondonStyle said:

I never mentioned anything in that post that stated his fan base in LA was small. You assumed that. I stated that maybe other fans from the surrounding cities could have made it out to his show as well, doesn't matter whether they were young, married fans or college students from 21 years of age and up. That's still young. The age to get in the Avalon is 21 and over, so I don't think P expected anyone under that age to be at his show.. It's the fans in their mid 20s and older that have the money to make most of these concerts and have the expensed to travel.

You're basically stating he should get rid of his PR people, but I'm sure someone will find fault with the new ones even if he did get rid of the current ones. Besides, none of us knows what went on behind the lines, and neithere of us commenting on these boards are actually on the "inside" of the P camp, we're all just expressing our opinions, that's just about it. So what else is new on the org?
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Wall said:

You really need to just

While you try to sound so intellectually verbose in every negative and derogatory post you make... you continue to expose yourself as some one with major issues and with out an ounce of common sense. Even those with whom I could probably argue the color of the sky with... could see the obvious problems which derived from only 'us' knowing about Prince's Oscar Party being open to the public, in any advanced form. And 'we' only knew through the reports of a single blogger with a selective audience.

As I and others have said... that was a failing of PR / communications over the event on Prince's part. Either officially or un-officially... the word should have gotten out sooner and in a manner to reach more people. Ultimately the source with the smallest audience had to get the word out to one of the largest markets.... in the least amount of time. Oscar parties, including Prince's, are typically not open to the public. Finding out just hours before showtime, which is when every one else did, caught most off guard.... un-preparred... no baby sitters... nothing to wear... no money... or simply with the belief, "It's probably already sold out."

Adding to the obvious problems and contrary to what you may believe... we (members of the Org) are not that many to begin with... and only a small portion of us live in the LA area. And if your feeble, little one tracked mind can't phantom the negative effect that bickering increasingly over the validity of information coming from that single blogger could have... then just add that to your list of mental issues.

Because really.... hasn't that been the whole purpose of your arguments...? To discredit the source from every angle you could...? Isn't the primary purpose of arguing to persuade people to believe your point of view...? A view which would have anyone who seriously believed the rhetoric you put out question any information which came from the blog.

But of course I don't give you credit for that much power to affect too many. I said," ...scared a few people away."

2elijah said:

Yeah I know this.....but look at the facts....He's been hanging around LA for a good while and he's not pulling them in .....Yes bad PR is the main factor but I think his fan base in LA is small ....hence the no show...! sorry..
The other thing I find strange is he wants new fans/fams ....but he just does not seem to be getting this stateside in LA ...why...?? Why is he not getting into the young LA type's ...??

LondonStyle said:

How many shows has he had in LA other than the celebrity parties since Musicology and the 3121 performances? So what are you talking about? Young fans were there, and what's the big deal about the age? If you're a Prince fan, then you're a Prince fan, and I'm sure no one will get turned down to attend his shows, unless you're below the venue's age requirement policy. Secondly, there were plenty of young fans at his Musicology concerts. I was at the shows at MSG in NYC for two nights, and there were fans their with their kids,young adults(tweens/teens); and 20 plus, and it was jam-packed.

Fact is, it is apparent Prince is calling the shots when it's time to set up shows/concerts. It's also apparent that his PR people are following his instructions. I think by now most fans know how unpredictable he could be at times. I still think it was nice of him to invite fans to an Oscar-after party, when most artists/celebrities don't do that. Take it for what it is. The show happened, and I'm sure those who got a chance to make last minute plans to be there had a good time.
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2elijah said:

Great you have answered one of my questions....so he's not played out in LA so it should be a big deal that he's doing a concert/gig and it's oscar night as well ....???

Yes we know Prince calls the shots....but his PR people need to get idea out to the people...they failed they don't know his market ...this is what they are paid for this is their job....they are paid to make Prince look good...not play in his band....unpredictable Prince maybe but that's risk factor in the job thes PR Team take....that's why i think he's got a new team in and they just don't know what to do right..

Hummm..... seems like the REAL issue with Prince these days is playing concerts at 3:00 in the morning. Most people that I know that really dig Prince, is NOT trying 2 be out attending a concert at 3:00 AM. What is wrong with playing a concert at 10:00 PM?

Graycap23 said:

Man how old are u ..... getting on stage a 1.45am and ending at 3.30am is cool ...that's a real night out ...LA is light weight ..

LondonStyle said:

Sometimes last minute notices don't always bring out the crowds. Besides, the economy isn't doing so good right now, and that could still be one of the problems. How do you know his PR people don't know his market just because of this past event? You don't work in Prince's camp, so you don't know that, and neither does anyone else on this board, including myself. We all know good and smart advertising is the success of any business. Nothing new.

You can make as many suggestions as you so wish, and that is your free will of course but the bottom line is, it's s all up to Prince who he hires and fires. All you can do is wait and see what happens next, that's just about it.
[Edited 2/24/09 10:58am]

xlr8r said:

by NO means am i siding with wall on this topic, but even i knew that the majority of songs played would b covers and old material with nothing new from his new albums. all u had 2 do 2 figure that one out was look at prince's set list from when he was doing vegas, london and cochella. so it's not hating, it's just acknowledging that prince is becoming very predicatable in his concerts now

BigDaddyHQ said:

Quite a few names you've got for me there, BigDaddy. I believe this is when mods snip for name calling, no?

That said, I certainly agree with you that the org isn't too terribly large. Sort of like Prince's audience on Sunday night. The bottom line is, he couldn't move 800 seats. 800. People need to let that number sink in.

And I just looked at Dr. Funkenberry... still no review. I guess he can't put up a "Lawd it was 2 Fonky!" bullshit piece since word has gotten out how lightly attended the covers show was, yet he can't put up an overly critical piece else he'll lose his favor with Prince. Which goes to prove my one and only point about the site: it's all Prince propaganda.

LondonStyle said:

Lol.....I can hang with the best of them but when I stay out late like that and get home at 4 or 5:00 AM that next day is a complete waste. My time is 2 valuable 2 waste like that.

FlamingRaindrop said:

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Maybe you were the only one that saw the T.V. spot. The show was at the last minute and a lot of people today do not have a spare $100.00. P does not have a record out and no music company contract all of these reasons explains a lot for those that want to see what is real.