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PrintableThis is something very simple. There are 2 kinds of fans. One of them likes the then-current Prince project and the other one does not. The one that loves it will say "you're not a fan, just because you hate it, it doesn't mean you're saying the truth, besides, why are you posting here if you dislike Prince that much" so the "hater" will respond with "I don't have to love everything he does, I'm not a fam who follows him blindly, I have a brain and I'm not afraid to say what I don't like".
It's a simple game, but from what I noticed, it's usually the "haters" who don't stay in the opinion-dimension and say things like "Prince lost it, anyone who fails to recognize it has no taste and if Prince released an album with 60 minutes of silence, they would still call it a masterpiece". It's not only with Prince. When those people don't like something, they will consider it as the truth and create theories about how the artist "lost it" or "doesn't care anymore" or "is only in for the money / to be cool with the kids" and so on. I understand that it would not be entertaining on a forum if it never went above the "I don't like this album" vs "I like this album", but it should be really about that, and only about that... | |
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viewaskew said: you've missed the point that if more people adopted your approach there would be no point to discussing anything.
there isnt. just because a discussion forum exists doesnt mean there's a valid reason for it existing. at best it serves as a media manipulation scam. once art is degarded by people who arent artists who dont have the expertise nor the qualification to speak on art with any authority whatsoever.. society itself becomes degraded. i can tell, specifically by the manner in which you speak on these pointless boards... by the hateful approach you take to anyone calls your hateful ass out. you have the spine of a jellyfish. take your lame threats on my intellect to an intellect you can actually threaten. mine, you cannot, neither can the mods, nor anyone else here. either buy his music or not. the rest is noise. | |
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there isnt.
just because a discussion forum exists doesnt mean there's a valid reason for it existing. If that's the way you feel, then shut the fuck up. The hundreds of other people who post here each day are likely to disagree. at best it serves as a media manipulation scam. Uh, oh...the jig is up at Prince.org! They've been in on it from the start! once art is degarded by people who arent artists Degarded? who dont have the expertise nor the qualification to speak on art with any authority whatsoever.. You have no idea about my background. Even if you did, all it takes to speak about something are the eyes & ears to see & hear it & form an opinion. society itself becomes degraded. Kind of like your use of the English language? i can tell, specifically by the manner in which you speak on these pointless boards... If they are so pointless, why are you here? by the hateful approach you take to anyone calls your hateful ass out. you have the spine of a jellyfish. It's called having a difference of opinion. But I guess you would actually have to have the balls to have an opinion to understand that. take your lame threats on my intellect to an intellect you can actually threaten. mine, you cannot, neither can the mods, nor anyone else here. You're right. We can't. You give us very little to work with. And I see you've only had a few posts. Tough talk for someone who was recently banned & created a new account.... either buy his music or not. Wow, so profound.... the rest is noise. If you don't what you hear, cover your ears. And enough with the baiting. [Edited 2/21/09 4:17am] | |
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iloveannie said: I'm dying to know.
Everyone's definition of a "hater" is going to be different but what I can't stand is when someone gets personal about someone they don't personally know. For example: us orgers. How many of us actually know Prince or have spent time with him. In terms of the music: some your gonna love and some your gonna really strongly not like but it's all apart of the journey, being a fam/fan of the music/lyrics. Peace ... & Stay Funky ...
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freequeenC said: viewaskew said: you've missed the point that if more people adopted your approach there would be no point to discussing anything.
there isnt. just because a discussion forum exists doesnt mean there's a valid reason for it existing. at best it serves as a media manipulation scam. once art is degarded by people who arent artists who dont have the expertise nor the qualification to speak on art with any authority whatsoever.. society itself becomes degraded. i can tell, specifically by the manner in which you speak on these pointless boards... by the hateful approach you take to anyone calls your hateful ass out. you have the spine of a jellyfish. take your lame threats on my intellect to an intellect you can actually threaten. mine, you cannot, neither can the mods, nor anyone else here. either buy his music or not. the rest is noise. You know i used to think that, that who am I if I think some piece of art is crap. I cant play an instrument I cant paint, but if you really think about it, it doesnt matter if you yourself are not an "artist". We are consumers that help support the arts that MOVE us. My theory why Prince is critisized so much is that fans know the work he's capable of, whether from released works or bootlegs. They see Prince as #1 SuperStar and know he can obliterate everyone in the music industry. But time and again he makes poor decisions and has some really great "art" that never get to see the light of day to the mainstream public. Only the diehards tend to uncover the gems and marvel at its beauty and lament why do they look like pricks in public whenever they mention Prince's name? Because Prince acts like a fucktard when it comes to some of his business acumen. Sometimes he nails it with ease (SuperBowl, 21 Nights) and other times he suffocates himself (3121 Perfume, 21 Book, fuck the record companies and anything from the internet, protegees ad nauseum). I think we see his greatness and its so disappointing when he makes what we feel collecitvely as a "wrong decision". In the ends, its his life and I do enjoy what he puts out, I would buy a ticket to see him in a show but I know that Prince was always destined for a bigger greatness than what he has (as we all know he's supremely underrated) but thats because he has hacks that handle his business OR he's the hack that is handling his business. Either way, it shows. 
For the most part, we want the best for him and out of him. Double edged sword but he spoiled us with his brilliance early on, so what do you expect? Now to just come on the boards and critisize to be mean and spiteful is just wasted energy. To critisize and reflect amongst each other I think is good debate. Besides, we all know he reads this shit. Does anyone find it funny that the fans were compalining about his celebrity parties and suddenly there is an Oscar show? People here voice their opinion because they know he reads it. Shit, even Bria is online hoping that Prince sees the public really likes her, they really really like her! 
If we could all learn to voice our very different opinions and stop calling each other hater and fam, we might have some really interesting discussions. But you cant count all negativity negative. People can't grow if they don't know their faults. Mho. | |
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viewaskew said: freequeenC said: indeed viewaskew, there's two sides to every Penny. here's the other side; one you may not be altogether familiar with.. your opinion doesnt matter. nor does anyone else's opinion on this site in regards to Prince's work, his art, or how or why he makes the decisions he makes see, you, and others like you, live under the illusion that the energy you spend here saying whatever you think to be true or false about Prince is somehow relevant. you and others like you, claim exlusive rights to voicing your opinions under the disguise of freedom of speech and how Prince, as an artist, should be open to listening to your view because apparently, you know better than he does whether you do or you dont a hater, is anyone with a deep sensitivity to hearing the truth and that truth my friend is: your opinion affects nothing. Prince will answer to his maker, not you on anything regarding his music, his business ethics, his methods.. So you see, you're just another cog in a very noisy wheel and sorry to say but noise is just noise. nothing more. maybe if all the ass-lickers and the 'haters' tended to their own lives as much as you do to Prince's you all might begin to see something very important. no one here, including the mods, has any power whatsoever over Prince's life. this little community is founded on supposedly being a Prince fan community site "unofficial" but what exactly does that mean? to provide a space through which multitudes of people can speculate over the life and music of one man? is that all? oh there's other forums i know where people get together and talk about other music and who they fucked last night but lets be honest.. is there really a point to any of it? what function does all this talking serve? noise. if you and others like you, and others the opposite of you wish to voice your opinions on Prince good or bad or somewhere inbetween.. know this: they dont matter at all. if you like his music, buy it. if you dont, dont buy it. any simpleton can understand that. unless you are simpler than a simpleton? and others like you and the opposite of you are simpler than simpletons too? that my dear is the glorious truth and i am absolutely certain that you and certain mods and certain members will have utmost sensitivity to hearing it. do enjoy your evening now won't you?  My opinion doesn't matter? No shit. Neither does yours. Yet you sure waste a lot of space expressing it. You, & others like you prattle on as if it does. As if your ability to state the OBVIOUS is if some major revelation. As if your opinion is any more relevant. It's not. No matter how much space you place between your nonsensical attempts to dress us down. Yes. There are different levels of fandom. No shit. There are people who prefer the Prince of old to the watered-down, self-censoring has-been he's become. There are people who feel that his latest work is superior. There are people in it only for the music & live performances & there are people who care about who he sleeps with. There are people who replace the letter e with the number 3 because he's done it once... And then there are those, like you, who think by stating the obvious that they're expressing something profound. Those who hide behind the notion that the opinions of others do not matter, rather than stating & defending one of their own. Gutless wonders. You're either completely ignorant or you've missed the point that if more people adopted your approach there would be no point to discussing anything. This is a DISCUSSION forum. I have never claimed exclusive rights to anything. Do not EVER put words in my mouth. You can bet your ass I have a right to free speech, as do you, although I just choose to use it more effectively & less like a sycophantic lemming. I'd rather be considered a hater than lack the ability to think for myself or the spine to stand up for what I feel. And lastly, "dear," you & I are not friends. We never will be, so do not waste my time with your shit. If you don't like what I have to say, do not read it. It's a fairly straightforward approach & might help you enjoy your evening. Now, take a deep breath & get back on your medication. [Edited 2/21/09 2:18am] [Edited 2/21/09 4:06am]  2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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viewaskew said: there isnt.
just because a discussion forum exists doesnt mean there's a valid reason for it existing. If that's the way you feel, then shut the fuck up. The hundreds of other people who post here each day are likely to disagree. at best it serves as a media manipulation scam. Uh, oh...the jig is up at Prince.org! They've been in on it from the start! once art is degarded by people who arent artists Degarded? who dont have the expertise nor the qualification to speak on art with any authority whatsoever.. You have no idea about my background. Even if you did, all it takes to speak about something are the eyes & ears to see & hear it & form an opinion. society itself becomes degraded. Kind of like your use of the English language? i can tell, specifically by the manner in which you speak on these pointless boards... If they are so pointless, why are you here? by the hateful approach you take to anyone calls your hateful ass out. you have the spine of a jellyfish. It's called having a difference of opinion. But I guess you would actually have to have the balls to have an opinion to understand that. take your lame threats on my intellect to an intellect you can actually threaten. mine, you cannot, neither can the mods, nor anyone else here. You're right. We can't. You give us very little to work with. And I see you've only had a few posts. Tough talk for someone who was recently banned & created a new account.... either buy his music or not. Wow, so profound.... the rest is noise. If you don't what you hear, cover your ears. And enough with the baiting. [Edited 2/21/09 4:17am] 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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