ChimChimBadass said:

Do you know anything about Prince? He has fucked with Miles Davis. You can't get any better. You, of course, haven't seen him playing the guitar a yard away from you in a club.

VINCENT said:

Who are you? Can you please show some more respect for the dead?

i don't give a fuck about jazz.
Give me good melodies and a great hook.

Rock hard in a funky place.

VINCENT said:

Yes i did mister, and it didn't really impress me to see a guy wanking on pentatonic scales with an oversaturated whawha sound on a basic ONE chord funk jam.
When he "fucked" with Miles, it was still Prince music with Prince musicians, not the opposite.
And Miles was a clever guy...

TIME FOR A NEW DIRECTION , TIME FOR JAZZ TO DIE, FOURTH DAY OF NOVEMBER, WE NEED A PURPLE HIGH, TURN IT UP!

jnoel said:

Yet you dislike Vespertine. Something is wrong with you...

& if yall know any thing of prince you would know that from the begining and including THE REVOLUTION that they were professed jazz oreinted bands and the only thing that got out was what would go over well in the main stream POP media. Prince says all the time that if you were to listen to any of his archived (THEVAULT) material that you would find a great deal of jazz especially from the earlier dayz, and even more sexually explicit prince than what was ever put out. And lets face it he is a great like mozart ,Jimi, Miles, Stevie. And he will go down in the history books just like them. He is a modern day Mozart. What would Mozart be doing if he was here now? Working with everything that is available to produce music. And that is what Prince does. Just like Miles davis explored and changed the face of jazz in the 70's. Prince has changed the face of what great music is today, and those that are musicians now KNOW that the standards have been raised by prince , thats why the majority of them whether good or bad have to make some kind of association with him , whether it be a personal association, or just a reference to him in thier lyrics. Reguardless of weather you like him or not he has set the standard for the next generation, and that next generation will base themselves upon his standards. YOU may not judge them on that ,BUT they will them selves.

And my feeling on the JAZZ label is that it is just that a label blue grass, blues , jazz, funk are all in the same family and are all the same, and I guess rock too , NOT 80's band rock, but more 70's rock elvis is blue grass packaged for POP in the 50's.

Prince is obviously capable of making great jazz music, and sure, it is probably wasting away in that awful vault, but judging from what he has released for consumers one can only say he has been influenced greatly by jazz...not that he is a great jazz musician. Some of his live shows certainly show off his capabilities, but i believe that to also be due in part to the band he's playing with at the time. If Prince wanted to be known as a great jazz musician he would release some of that "heady jazz" he speaks of in that 1999 MTV interview with Kurt Loder.

ChimChimBadass said:

pfff...I was referring to what Miles said about him.
Prince's versatility is totally amazing. he has what many musicians don't have: the feeling, the touch. It's the most precious gift.

Of course McLaughin (who lives just 2 miles away from my house btw) is more technical on the guitar but how fucking boring sometimes.

Now ask McLaughin to be really funky a la Funkadelic or ask him to be psyche a la Hendrix or ask him to be pop a la beatles and you will understand why I prefer Prince a milliuons times than many jazz musicians.

By the way many jazz musicians are less narrow minded than you are and have a very high opion about Prince as a musician.

Finally I looove Jazz. It's the first music I ever listened to but I'm fed up with guys who are not bringing anything new. Like Miles Davis said many musicians like the Marsallis spend their time reproducing the sounds we use to make back in the 50s. Miles as a true genius was not interested in that kind of musicianship. He was interested in people able to bring their own touch.

Prince just did that whether you like it or not.

So if he released a few country songs, would that make him the best country musician alive?

Showtoons?

Opra?

No one denies he can funk it up. That's what he does best. But there are others far more qualified to recieve that distinction.

In this non-a-hole's opinion.

I love Maceo Parker but very differently from Charlie Parker.

Yes Prince is very special. But I can't honestly say that he is the best at any one type of music.

If anything, he's the best at being diverse. And keeping it all very alive!

I think it's best said that he truly does his best at everything he goes for.

and whole heartedly.

yamomma said:

??? What's your point?

Why do you decide that Maceo Parker is nowhere near Parker. Because he doesn't play jazz.

Many jazz fans are nowadays like classical music fans : boring, elitiste, arrogant.

Read the article published in french Jazz Magazine about Prince last tour. Their reputation is to be very tough and they consider P as one of the last greatest.

Now if you think Prince is not such a good musician and is less talented than jazz musicians it's your right. I personnally think he is more talented or more gifted than many of them because of his incredible touch he has when he plays.

I don't really see why it's so important that Prince (or anyone else for that matter) is best at anything.
Music is no competition.

Or like Prince said: "Everybody's talking about the greatest this, the greatest that. Let's just get on the stage."




I don't know why I always forget a word:
[This message was edited Tue Dec 3 9:48:39 PST 2002 by calldapplwondery83]

calldapplwondery83 said:

Totally agreed.

VINCENT said:

Nope, never said that.
I just said they are different.

I also said that Prince is probably the best at fusing it all together, but I don't think he is the best at any one particular type of music.

And no, I'm not one of those "jazz eliteists". I don't care for them either. But I do respect great musicianship and know how to separate it from showmanship.

And yes Prince is probably one of the last known greats. But there are far to many other great unknown musicians out there to say he is the best musician alive.

Come on man! Everyone knows Prince is a great musician. Everyone knows he is incredibly talented. He's also very spirtual and that adds to his "touch" when he plays and writes.

Your preaching to the choir!

No one disagrees with Prince's abilities. I'm telling you that it's an unfair statement to make about any one man.

It sounds like to me, you just want to elevate Prince higher than he really is. And that's just not fair.

yamomma said:

I agree on everything apart from the last sentence. I never said he was the only one to be hugely talented. I just think he is a very rare artist who has many abilities.

We share the same love for music so let's get on hehe

VINCENT said:

I think we just misunderstood each other.

I was getting that you were saying that Prince is the best Jazz musician living today, absolute best of everything.

When you probably thought I was elevating jazz music over everyone else.


I'm leaving work now. I sure hope my box set is there!
I want my son and I to share in the "listening session"!
(he's only 3 months old, but he recognizes good music already)

Have a good night Vincent!

If anyone has Minneapolis Genius
I suggest you sit down and listen
best jazz music that Prince put out
and now he put out TRC. Prince
is jazz and he can hang with the big boys
there isn't nothing musically he can't do.

How did you say it in NY ONA show "Do U Know
Who I am".

Question2002 said:

I think you need to do some research on what Prince's role in those sessions was.

Can anyone say 'MADHOUSE'???/

sorry, but prince isnt jazz, he is a good interpretation of a tribute to jazz, but nothing more, his style reflects jazz musicians in the past. Eye think he plays jazz well, but he isnt a pioneer of jazz in any way. and if he was tryin on Xenophobia (the album) he failed.. cause eye've heard it, and dont get me wrong, eye really dig the music, its a jazzy fusion sound.. But compared to jazz, it doesnt hold any balance

dont mean eye wont listen tho.. bring it on

Still no ONA - Live!

I was so sure it would be here tonight!

Some people can't stand to see Prince get props. Prince certainly has the heart of jazz man, as Candy recogizes.

shygirl said:

Geez, this is all so blown out of proportion...You think Candy would have said the same in 1977? 1984? Or whenever? It was not Candy who said that, it was her dumb-ass father, read the posts at the beginning of the thread!
We all know that Prince incorporates jazz in his music, maybe next album will be a pure rock album...you never know.

About Prince getting props: 99.9 % of the ppl who post here, do that because they are fan of the man's music, why would anybody here hate see Prince getting props?

Madhouse is NO Jazz.


Madhouse is Jazzrock.

And Jazzrock back in the 70ies was really ugly..


Btw: I really do like what Prince plays nowadays.

Call it whatever..

Do guys always make a big deal of every lil' tiny thang??

If so then,,,damn!!!