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Reply #150 posted 02/17/09 8:34am

JayJai

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Cloudbuster said:

meow85 said:


He really hasn't clarified anything. What he did was make some smarmy comment about reading the Bible with all the numerous 'mos he's down with. lol

This isn't about 'opinion" or "belief" at all, no matter how some folks will try to frame it. Homophobia is not merely a difference of opinion. Comparing it to theist versus atheist doesn't work, because religion is a matter of choice. Sexual orientation is a matter of being.


Astonishing how few people actually realise this.


"sexual orientation is a matter of being"
I've heard studies have shown that sexual orientation is genetic, then other have said they chose to be gay. So which is it then? I call it an 'opinion' cause I've heard some homosexuals refer to it as an opinion of theirs.
I swear the words "HATER" is wayyy over-rated...smh
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Reply #151 posted 02/17/09 9:47am

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JayJai said:

Cloudbuster said:



Astonishing how few people actually realise this.


"sexual orientation is a matter of being"
I've heard studies have shown that sexual orientation is genetic, then other have said they chose to be gay. So which is it then? I call it an 'opinion' cause I've heard some homosexuals refer to it as an opinion of theirs.


I was never given the choice.
What studies, and who exactly gives us this supposed choice?

I've never heard (from straights or gays) that Homosexuality is an "opinion".
"I don't like her hair" "Those shoes are divine" "You are fierce" those are opinions.

I like penis and share my life with another man is not an opinion. That is who I am.
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Reply #152 posted 02/17/09 10:50am

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JayJai said:

Cloudbuster said:



Astonishing how few people actually realise this.


"sexual orientation is a matter of being"
I've heard studies have shown that sexual orientation is genetic, then other have said they chose to be gay. So which is it then? I call it an 'opinion' cause I've heard some homosexuals refer to it as an opinion of theirs.


A cursory glance through history would I think convince any sane soul that it isn't a choice. Unless,of course, masochism is as rife as homosexuality.

You are right though, in that there doesn't seem to be one cause. I'm sure however, that you could do better than 'opinion'.

The original comment re 'theism' still stands of course.
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Reply #153 posted 02/17/09 11:59am

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vivid said:

JayJai said:



"sexual orientation is a matter of being"
I've heard studies have shown that sexual orientation is genetic, then other have said they chose to be gay. So which is it then? I call it an 'opinion' cause I've heard some homosexuals refer to it as an opinion of theirs.


A cursory glance through history would I think convince any sane soul that it isn't a choice. Unless,of course, masochism is as rife as homosexuality.

You are right though, in that there doesn't seem to be one cause. I'm sure however, that you could do better than 'opinion'.

The original comment re 'theism' still stands of course.

I used the whole athiest/christian thing to draw a reference. It made sense to me at the time cause of the word "opinion" used there.
Now I don't know wat to think confused I asked a friend wat did he mean by he chose to be gay. He said he got fed-up of females confused I then asked him if he always had feelings for the same sex, dude said no...so I don't friggin know. This is a whole nother topic.
Anyway, I didn't mean to offend anyone who believes they were born that way.
I swear the words "HATER" is wayyy over-rated...smh
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Reply #154 posted 02/17/09 12:16pm

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oK so would it be dumb to say a homosexual is a person who performs sexual acts with the same gender?

So if you're gay and you dont have sex you are still pure by Gods standards since technically we/re not even supposed to have premarital sex and God knows the whole world done gone to hell on that one.

Otherwise the flipping of your hair and wearing a mesh tshirt, while a sin for the fashion police and my bleeding eyes doesnt seem to be a sin to God.

I dunno. I thought gays were more about doing than being. biggrin
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Reply #155 posted 02/17/09 12:17pm

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JayJai said:

vivid said:



A cursory glance through history would I think convince any sane soul that it isn't a choice. Unless,of course, masochism is as rife as homosexuality.

You are right though, in that there doesn't seem to be one cause. I'm sure however, that you could do better than 'opinion'.

The original comment re 'theism' still stands of course.

I used the whole athiest/christian thing to draw a reference. It made sense to me at the time cause of the word "opinion" used there.
Now I don't know wat to think confused I asked a friend wat did he mean by he chose to be gay. He said he got fed-up of females confused I then asked him if he always had feelings for the same sex, dude said no...so I don't friggin know. This is a whole nother topic.
Anyway, I didn't mean to offend anyone who believes they were born that way.


nod

Your friend has something else ENTIRELY goin on. lol

Speaking for myself, I wasn't offended. You didn't pass judgment in your post. You were trying to make sense of things, is how I took it.
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Reply #156 posted 02/17/09 12:22pm

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salaciousV said:

oK so would it be dumb to say a homosexual is a person who performs sexual acts with the same gender?

So if you're gay and you dont have sex you are still pure by Gods standards since technically we/re not even supposed to have premarital sex and God knows the whole world done gone to hell on that one.

Otherwise the flipping of your hair and wearing a mesh tshirt, while a sin for the fashion police and my bleeding eyes doesnt seem to be a sin to God.

I dunno. I thought gays were more about doing than being. biggrin


Homosexuality is often categorized as that: "performing sexual acts with the same gender."

However I feel it is much more than that. Even if you take sex away, I can't see having the same dynamics/relationship with a female as I do with my partner.

It is not just what you do in the bed, but how you connect and with whom (person AND gender) that defines Homo/Hetero sexuality, IMO.
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