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Reply #30 posted 02/10/09 9:20am

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BELL6983 said:



Planet Earth topped at 135,000 copies.

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planet earth sold just short of a million worldwide....not including the 2,500,000 copies that were given away in the uk....

Does that include the 3 mill in the newspaper?
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Reply #31 posted 02/10/09 9:43am

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I have to disagree, the music industry is looking out for this, I think undercover they are hoping its his big comeback

it will do well if promoted right

I think so too. I think the we, general audience, media and the industry are always willing to give Prince another chance on the hope that this next new come back is the big one where the music actually stands up and isn't just another Prince by numbers record.
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Reply #32 posted 02/10/09 9:53am

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Actually Crystal Ball was Prince most successful independent album it sold 250.000. 103,000 copies isn't a bad number if U profiting 4rm the majority of the sales. If U an independent artist U can actually make more money on ur own than with a label if promoted correctly....So stop focusing on the numbers sold focus on the profits made....


Profit does not measure cultural impact in terms of exposure, audience size, market share, etc. which is more closely measured by media mentions, press clippings, and yes, units sold.

So while being "#1 at the bank" is good for Prince's bank account, in terms of other kinds of currency like cultural currency it doesn't necessarily translate.


I really can't speak for the US press but since 2007 in the UK and Online you can't go a month in the year without Prince's name or one of his song's mentioned in a new artist CD review ....its as common as the word "The" in most articles.. lol
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Reply #33 posted 02/10/09 10:53am

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Profit does not measure cultural impact in terms of exposure, audience size, market share, etc. which is more closely measured by media mentions, press clippings, and yes, units sold.

So while being "#1 at the bank" is good for Prince's bank account, in terms of other kinds of currency like cultural currency it doesn't necessarily translate.


I really can't speak for the US press but since 2007 in the UK and Online you can't go a month in the year without Prince's name or one of his song's mentioned in a new artist CD review ....its as common as the word "The" in most articles.. lol


Well press mentions is just one thing. It's quality not just quantity. I mean a TMZ story about Prince & Bria driving to some club does not indicate cultural impact in the way your (new) song playing on everyone's radio does.
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Reply #34 posted 02/10/09 10:58am

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I have to disagree, the music industry is looking out for this, I think undercover they are hoping its his big comeback

it will do well if promoted right


Oh please. There aren't many bridges left for him to burn in the industry. That's why he's avoiding it.

Any other opinions are those of a delusional fan.

Wrong, opinions are opinions.
Just because someone thinks differently than you think, does not make them a "delusional fan".
Seems you are the one that is delusional.
People never cease to amaze me with comments like this.
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Reply #35 posted 02/10/09 11:01am

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Haters!!!!prince has become a savvy business man over the years:HE knows what the hell he is doing.lets see 1 of u haters sell one CD of ur own.Prince is the man 4ever
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Reply #36 posted 02/10/09 11:02am

Dayclear

Like Prince said in the song 'face down',.....
Those that got the number and don't call, fuck all yall!
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Reply #37 posted 02/10/09 11:10am

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Haters!!!!prince has become a savvy business man over the years:HE knows what the hell he is doing.lets see 1 of u haters sell one CD of ur own.Prince is the man 4ever

Prince is NOT a savvy business man. P has great ideas, but his execution is usually not so great. I'm not being a "hater", I'm just facing reality. If you look at the successful projects that Prince has had since leaving WB (even if you count TMBGITW), it has been because of a good team of marketers and promoters. The rest (Crystal Ball, New Power Soul, Planet Earth, etc.) have not done so well.

3121 and Musicology performed well because of the marketing.
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Reply #38 posted 02/10/09 11:46am

Dayclear

Where's yours? rolleyes
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Reply #39 posted 02/10/09 12:00pm

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Where's yours? rolleyes

I'm not dissing P by any means. I'm just saying that he has EXCELLENT concepts for what he wants to achieve. He just has a poor track record when it comes to the execution and achieving results. No diss at all. I still love him and will continue to support him in whatever endeavor he does.
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Reply #40 posted 02/10/09 12:05pm

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daPrettyman said:

blacktrump said:

Haters!!!!prince has become a savvy business man over the years:HE knows what the hell he is doing.lets see 1 of u haters sell one CD of ur own.Prince is the man 4ever

Prince is NOT a savvy business man. P has great ideas, but his execution is usually not so great. I'm not being a "hater", I'm just facing reality. If you look at the successful projects that Prince has had since leaving WB (even if you count TMBGITW), it has been because of a good team of marketers and promoters. The rest (Crystal Ball, New Power Soul, Planet Earth, etc.) have not done so well.

3121 and Musicology performed well because of the marketing.

That's the truth right there. That's why I hope Prince looks back at all of those projects, particularly the Musicology project and looks at how to promote and market the music and try to do better with that now than ever before. I'm hoping Prince will push these 3 CD's harder than any CD he's ever promoted to the general public. Time will tell.
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Reply #41 posted 02/10/09 12:06pm

BELL6983

blacktrump said:

Haters!!!!prince has become a savvy business man over the years:HE knows what the hell he is doing.lets see 1 of u haters sell one CD of ur own.Prince is the man 4ever


It's not about hating, everybody here love's Prince. There's nothing wrong with dialog.
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Reply #42 posted 02/10/09 12:12pm

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purplecam said:

daPrettyman said:


Prince is NOT a savvy business man. P has great ideas, but his execution is usually not so great. I'm not being a "hater", I'm just facing reality. If you look at the successful projects that Prince has had since leaving WB (even if you count TMBGITW), it has been because of a good team of marketers and promoters. The rest (Crystal Ball, New Power Soul, Planet Earth, etc.) have not done so well.

3121 and Musicology performed well because of the marketing.

That's the truth right there. That's why I hope Prince looks back at all of those projects, particularly the Musicology project and looks at how to promote and market the music and try to do better with that now than ever before. I'm hoping Prince will push these 3 CD's harder than any CD he's ever promoted to the general public. Time will tell.

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Reply #43 posted 02/10/09 1:34pm

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Ridiculous.
Are you more interested in Prince selling 3 million records or do you want to get new music? I don't care if he sells 15 copies, as long as I get one of them.

And there WILL be promotion for this. The mere fact that he is releasing 3 records simultaneously will be news in the industry. Factor in that the big box retailer will be promoting it with major exposure in their Sunday circular, and possibly a broadcast spot for TV/Cable as well.

After that, it's up for the quality of music and Prince's willingness to tour and promote it himself that will be the barometer of how well these CDs sell.
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Reply #44 posted 02/10/09 1:48pm

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As long as I have access 2 the music.....sales are secondary.
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Reply #45 posted 02/10/09 1:50pm

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Ridiculous.
Are you more interested in Prince selling 3 million records or do you want to get new music? I don't care if he sells 15 copies, as long as I get one of them.

And there WILL be promotion for this. The mere fact that he is releasing 3 records simultaneously will be news in the industry. Factor in that the big box retailer will be promoting it with major exposure in their Sunday circular, and possibly a broadcast spot for TV/Cable as well.

After that, it's up for the quality of music and Prince's willingness to tour and promote it himself that will be the barometer of how well these CDs sell.


We all know, at this point, it's all about Prince trying to break new ground in the industry. It's more so about the distribution and marketing and trying to prove that he doesn't need the record company.

We also know that he WILL promote the new projects. All we're saying is that we hope he has learned from his successes and failures.

Anyway, we don't know if the cds will be released simultaneously or not. He just has stated that he will release 3 cds in 09.
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Reply #46 posted 02/10/09 1:51pm

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As long as I have access 2 the music.....sales are secondary.

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Reply #47 posted 02/10/09 1:52pm

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blacktrump said:

Haters!!!!prince has become a savvy business man over the years:HE knows what the hell he is doing.lets see 1 of u haters sell one CD of ur own.Prince is the man 4ever

Give this crap a rest, eh. I'm so tired of reading this preposterous comment, that unless you're a musician you can't comment on music.

Popstars/artists release music for an audience, otherwise they'd just be playing to themselves in their basement. Without the audience, there's no popstars or albums released at all. The audience pays their money, they can comment all they want on the products they buy.
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Reply #48 posted 02/10/09 3:10pm

BELL6983

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Ridiculous.
Are you more interested in Prince selling 3 million records or do you want to get new music? I don't care if he sells 15 copies, as long as I get one of them.

And there WILL be promotion for this. The mere fact that he is releasing 3 records simultaneously will be news in the industry. Factor in that the big box retailer will be promoting it with major exposure in their Sunday circular, and possibly a broadcast spot for TV/Cable as well.

After that, it's up for the quality of music and Prince's willingness to tour and promote it himself that will be the barometer of how well these CDs sell.



Yes,it is important for Prince to sell units in order for him to continue to make albums.It cost money to produce music so,if Prince don't make money then he can't produce albums.
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Reply #49 posted 02/10/09 3:28pm

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Anyway, we don't know if the cds will be released simultaneously or not. He just has stated that he will release 3 cds in 09.


I believe a USA Today article mentioned it would be a simultaneous release.
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Reply #50 posted 02/10/09 3:31pm

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redflag said:

daPrettyman said:


Anyway, we don't know if the cds will be released simultaneously or not. He just has stated that he will release 3 cds in 09.


I believe a USA Today article mentioned it would be a simultaneous release.
It also said, as soon as the holidays are over.
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Reply #51 posted 02/10/09 3:51pm

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infacted?
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Reply #52 posted 02/10/09 4:38pm

BELL6983

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infacted?


In fact
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Reply #53 posted 02/10/09 5:16pm

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daPrettyman said:


Anyway, we don't know if the cds will be released simultaneously or not. He just has stated that he will release 3 cds in 09.


I believe a USA Today article mentioned it would be a simultaneous release.


No, just that fans would have a "release" when they heard his album and Bria's, making it 3 at the same time
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Reply #54 posted 02/10/09 8:27pm

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I believe a USA Today article mentioned it would be a simultaneous release.


No, just that fans would have a "release" when they heard his album and Bria's, making it 3 at the same time

As we all know, this is Prince. His mind changes like the wind.
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Reply #55 posted 02/11/09 1:06am

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Oh please. There aren't many bridges left for him to burn in the industry. That's why he's avoiding it.

Any other opinions are those of a delusional fan.

Wrong, opinions are opinions.
Just because someone thinks differently than you think, does not make them a "delusional fan".
Seems you are the one that is delusional.
People never cease to amaze me with comments like this.


We'll see, honey.

Some people can't learn from the past. Prince is one of them. His many sycophantic fans make up quite a few of the rest.
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Reply #56 posted 02/11/09 3:19am

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NuPwrSoul said:

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I really can't speak for the US press but since 2007 in the UK and Online you can't go a month in the year without Prince's name or one of his song's mentioned in a new artist CD review ....its as common as the word "The" in most articles.. lol


Well press mentions is just one thing. It's quality not just quantity. I mean a TMZ story about Prince & Bria driving to some club does not indicate cultural impact in the way your (new) song playing on everyone's radio does.


The point I was making was not just in tabloid fudder...Prince's name is really at the top of most new artist comming through they always point to his music ...he's a cultural icon in music more than in the popular press or popular radio as you know radio stations run to formula ...jazz, r&b, pop, blues,rock...Prince can fit into all these music forms....where do you put him...thats the problem for the media not for Prince.. cool
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