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No major label, no radio play and no video play! Prince up coming albums will not be received well by the masses.Infacted no one will even know other than his loyal fans/and or his website members that he even has an album droping in 09.He will properly sell less than Planet Earth (a little over a 100,000 copies).We have to except that this is the way it is now.Now having said that,i still look forward to his new music. | |
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There presumably will be conventional and unconventional promotion for the albums and site when the release date(s) gets nearer. Promo CDs, press releases, interviews, talk show appearances, ads in publications, web-ads, hit-and-run shows, etc.
Prince may essentially make more now off a Gold record than a Platinum record circa WB. If prince.org were to be made idiot proof, someone would just invent a better idiot. | |
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BELL6983 said: Prince up coming albums will not be received well by the masses.Infacted no one will even know other than his loyal fans/and or his website members that he even has an album droping in 09.He will properly sell less than Planet Earth (a little over a 100,000 copies).We have to except that this is the way it is now.Now having said that,i still look forward to his new music.
I have to disagree, the music industry is looking out for this, I think undercover they are hoping its his big comeback it will do well if promoted right | |
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BELL6983 said: Prince up coming albums will not be received well by the masses.Infacted no one will even know other than his loyal fans/and or his website members that he even has an album droping in 09.He will properly sell less than Planet Earth (a little over a 100,000 copies).We have to except that this is the way it is now.Now having said that,i still look forward to his new music.
we should expect as fans to work extra hard helping to promote the heck out of the albums so he gets some good movement | |
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Prince knows how 2 sell & promote projects of his when he gets ready. The "Musicology" Project was a master promotion with TV/cable interviews,Tv Pe4mances,,Tours etc...Prince knows when he has a project like this that he releases on his own what he has to do, He has done it b4 and been in the business 4 30 years...
As for sells no artist is selling like they used 2. Especially in this bad economy. If Prince can sell $250,000 he will do well since he is pocketing the majority of the profits. He doesn't have to go gold or platinuim 2 make a good profit. Plus the membership fee will supplement the cost. Prince has at least 500.000 hard core fans that will buy any album he releases if its good....  will ALWAYS think of  like a "ACT OF GOD"! N another realm. mean of all people who might of been aliens or angels.if found out that wasn't of this earth, would not have been that surprised. R.I.P. |
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BELL6983 said: Infacted no one will even know other than his loyal fans/and or his website members that he even has an album droping in 09.
Not quite. He's already been covered by several major papers and magazines (USA Today, LA Times, Rolling Stone just to name what comes to the top of my head) several times since the Jonesy radio show. So at the very least, the readership of those papers know about it the albums as well. Change it one more time.. | |
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that's 'accept', and 
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WisdomNLove said: BELL6983 said: Prince up coming albums will not be received well by the masses.Infacted no one will even know other than his loyal fans/and or his website members that he even has an album droping in 09.He will properly sell less than Planet Earth (a little over a 100,000 copies).We have to except that this is the way it is now.Now having said that,i still look forward to his new music.
I have to disagree, the music industry is looking out for this, I think undercover they are hoping its his big comeback it will do well if promoted right Oh please. There aren't many bridges left for him to burn in the industry. That's why he's avoiding it. Any other opinions are those of a delusional fan. | |
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KCOOLMUZIQ said: Prince knows how 2 sell & promote projects of his when he gets ready. The "Musicology" Project was a master promotion with TV/cable interviews,Tv Pe4mances,,Tours etc...Prince knows when he has a project like this that he releases on his own what he has to do, He has done it b4 and been in the business 4 30 years...
As for sells no artist is selling like they used 2. Especially in this bad economy. If Prince can sell $250,000 he will do well since he is pocketing the majority of the profits. He doesn't have to go gold or platinuim 2 make a good profit. Plus the membership fee will supplement the cost. Prince has at least 500.000 hard core fans that will buy any album he releases if its good.... I think the Musicology project was a unique moment, because it coincided with the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction and Prince wisely maximized that opportunity to launch a "Legend" tour, appear on Grammy's, and several other specials & tv appearances. The packaging of the CD with the concert ticket also helped put more copies of his CD into the hands of people than would have been normally the case. That kind of momentum was not easily replicated, and 3121 & Planet Earth demonstrated that (at least here in the states). 3121 was launched with expensive, slick videos (Te Amo - bad choice for lead single / Black Sweat - excellent but no remixes limited its momentum) and a promotion (purple ticket) that fizzled along with whatever was planned by Universal and the Tamar debacle (whatever happened with that). Planet Earth was quiet here in the U.S. because all his effort was on selling tix for the O2 residency. This time around, his re-entry into the web should give him some traction if it's done right (and it's too early to tell--the current "launch" is pretty slim). The media will always cover him. And if he has concerts, they will sell well if there's enough momentum. But the economy is tight so the price needs to be right, as does the timing (when bigwig CEOs are flying coach, you know people are going to be less likely to part with hard earned dollars for a concert). At the end of the day, the best bet against a speculative market is a quality product and positive word of mouth. Prince just needs to drop a very very strong CD. Something he hasn't really delivered in a while. The previewed tracks of Lotusflow3r sound promising. MPLSOUND - I'm still waiting- the jury is out... And Bria - the tracks sound smooth, but it's difficult to break a new artist in this market without big industry muscle and Prince's coattails aren't that strong. [Edited 2/9/09 21:54pm] "That...magic, the start of something revolutionary-the Minneapolis Sound, we should cherish it and not punish prince for not being able to replicate it."-Dreamshaman32 | |
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NuPwrSoul said: KCOOLMUZIQ said: Prince knows how 2 sell & promote projects of his when he gets ready. The "Musicology" Project was a master promotion with TV/cable interviews,Tv Pe4mances,,Tours etc...Prince knows when he has a project like this that he releases on his own what he has to do, He has done it b4 and been in the business 4 30 years...
As for sells no artist is selling like they used 2. Especially in this bad economy. If Prince can sell $250,000 he will do well since he is pocketing the majority of the profits. He doesn't have to go gold or platinuim 2 make a good profit. Plus the membership fee will supplement the cost. Prince has at least 500.000 hard core fans that will buy any album he releases if its good.... I think the Musicology project was a unique moment, because it coincided with the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction and Prince wisely maximized that opportunity to launch a "Legend" tour, appear on Grammy's, and several other specials & tv appearances. The packaging of the CD with the concert ticket also helped put more copies of his CD into the hands of people than would have been normally the case. That kind of momentum was not easily replicated, and 3121 & Planet Earth demonstrated that (at least here in the states). 3121 was launched with expensive, slick videos (Te Amo - bad choice for lead single / Black Sweat - excellent but no remixes limited its momentum) and a promotion (purple ticket) that fizzled along with whatever was planned by Universal and the Tamar debacle (whatever happened with that). Planet Earth was quiet here in the U.S. because all his effort was on selling tix for the O2 residency. This time around, his re-entry into the web should give him some traction if it's done right (and it's too early to tell--the current "launch" is pretty slim). The media will always cover him. And if he has concerts, they will sell well if there's enough momentum. But the economy is tight so the price needs to be right, as does the timing (when bigwig CEOs are flying coach, you know people are going to be less likely to part with hard earned dollars for a concert). At the end of the day, the best bet against a speculative market is a quality product and positive word of mouth. Prince just needs to drop a very very strong CD. Something he hasn't really delivered in a while. The previewed tracks of Lotusflow3r sound promising. MPLSOUND - I'm still waiting- the jury is out... And Bria - the tracks sound smooth, but it's difficult to break a new artist in this market without big industry muscle and Prince's coattails aren't that strong. [Edited 2/9/09 21:54pm]  this all seems to make a lot of sense..."Hyperactive when I was small, Hyperactive now I'm grown, Hyperactive 'till I'm dead and gone"
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Planet earth sold a lot more copies.
It sold 96000 in its first week. [Edited 2/9/09 22:12pm] |
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KCOOLMUZIQ said: Prince knows how 2 sell & promote projects of his when he gets ready. The "Musicology" Project was a master promotion with TV/cable interviews,Tv Pe4mances,,Tours etc...Prince knows when he has a project like this that he releases on his own what he has to do, He has done it b4 and been in the business 4 30 years...
As for sells no artist is selling like they used 2. Especially in this bad economy. If Prince can sell $250,000 he will do well since he is pocketing the majority of the profits. He doesn't have to go gold or platinuim 2 make a good profit. Plus the membership fee will supplement the cost. Prince has at least 500.000 hard core fans that will buy any album he releases if its good.... Those albums were backed by majors.Prince most successful independent album was the Rainbow Children and it only sold 103,000 copies. | |
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Thibaut said: Planet earth sold a lot more copies.
It sold 96000 in its first week. [Edited 2/9/09 22:12pm] Planet Earth topped at 135,000 copies. | |
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Mucicology was a unique moment in his history, and he made the most of it. 3121 was more successful than many here give credit. It went Gold, which is almost like going Platinum in this market, and had a highly played video. I've got no problems with those albums, both artistically and commercially. Planet Earth did poorly in the States because of bad marketing decisions, imo. It's not always about the quality of the music as much as how it is pushed.
To me, if he wants Lotus Flower or MPLSound to do well then one of the things he should do is to attempt to sell the cd with each concert ticket. Although he can't do what he did for Musicology, he is still allowed to offer to sell a cd with a ticket. Make the price of the album cheap and I'd imagine a decent number of concertgoers will buy it. Maybe it can be part of a reduced price package. Who knows. It sure can't hurt. | |
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BELL6983 said: KCOOLMUZIQ said: Prince knows how 2 sell & promote projects of his when he gets ready. The "Musicology" Project was a master promotion with TV/cable interviews,Tv Pe4mances,,Tours etc...Prince knows when he has a project like this that he releases on his own what he has to do, He has done it b4 and been in the business 4 30 years...
As for sells no artist is selling like they used 2. Especially in this bad economy. If Prince can sell $250,000 he will do well since he is pocketing the majority of the profits. He doesn't have to go gold or platinuim 2 make a good profit. Plus the membership fee will supplement the cost. Prince has at least 500.000 hard core fans that will buy any album he releases if its good.... Those albums were backed by majors.Prince most successful independent album was the Rainbow Children and it only sold 103,000 copies. Actually Crystal Ball was Prince most successful independent album it sold 250.000. 103,000 copies isn't a bad number if U profiting 4rm the majority of the sales. If U an independent artist U can actually make more money on ur own than with a label if promoted correctly....So stop focusing on the numbers sold focus on the profits made.... will ALWAYS think of like a "ACT OF GOD"! N another realm. mean of all people who might of been aliens or angels.if found out that wasn't of this earth, would not have been that surprised. R.I.P. |
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BELL6983 said: Prince up coming albums will not be received well by the masses.Infacted no one will even know other than his loyal fans/and or his website members that he even has an album droping in 09.He will properly sell less than Planet Earth (a little over a 100,000 copies).We have to except that this is the way it is now.Now having said that,i still look forward to his new music.
How do you know? artist gain new fans all the time, but even if that is the case his LOYAL fans are all he really needs, not the ones that just come aorund to bitch about the new stuff.  [Edited 2/10/09 5:01am] | |
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Dayclear said: his LOYAL fans are all he really needs
Prince doesnt need anyone.  love is the only aspect of human life worth having. | |
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Planet Earth hit 3 million homes in the UK and Prince made a cool million. I'm hot and I don't care who knows it...I got a job to do.  |
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yeah tht cos the british people love him and appreicate his music more that why he sold alot over in the uk
they went like hotcakes lol  | |
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BELL6983 said: Thibaut said: Planet earth sold a lot more copies.
It sold 96000 in its first week. [Edited 2/9/09 22:12pm] Planet Earth topped at 135,000 copies. . . planet earth sold just short of a million worldwide....not including the 2,500,000 copies that were given away in the uk.... | |
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piccolo7 said: yeah tht cos the british people love him and appreicate his music more that why he sold alot over in the uk
He didn't really sell any as such, they were given away with a Sunday newspaper and with every concert ticket. I ended up with about 18 copies. they went like hotcakes lol 
Obviously though, he got nicely paid for these endeavours. RIP  | |
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TheEnglishGent said: piccolo7 said: yeah tht cos the british people love him and appreicate his music more that why he sold alot over in the uk
He didn't really sell any as such, they were given away with a Sunday newspaper and with every concert ticket. I ended up with about 18 copies. they went like hotcakes lol
Obviously though, he got nicely paid for these endeavours. The newspaper sold so well that they started their own record label....if thats not a sign of good business and marketing...than i don't know... Da, Da, Da....Emancipation....Free..don't think I ain't..! London 21 Nights...Clap your hands...you know the rest..
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viewaskew said: WisdomNLove said: I have to disagree, the music industry is looking out for this, I think undercover they are hoping its his big comeback it will do well if promoted right Oh please. There aren't many bridges left for him to burn in the industry. That's why he's avoiding it. Any other opinions are those of a delusional fan. ummm, whatever I know you are not calling me a delusional fan, BE and THINK POSITIVE. I hear people talking about this project EVERYDAY and there is ALOT of anticipation for it, who cares what bridges he's burning, there is still a desire WITHIN the music industry for a big comeback | |
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I am wondering when we are going to hear something new about this project...?? The site didn't reveal too much so when is it really gonna hit us ...?? | |
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FunkuUp said: I am wondering when we are going to hear something new about this project...?? The site didn't reveal too much so when is it really gonna hit us ...??
March-ish. If prince.org were to be made idiot proof, someone would just invent a better idiot. | |
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WisdomNLove said: BELL6983 said: Prince up coming albums will not be received well by the masses.Infacted no one will even know other than his loyal fans/and or his website members that he even has an album droping in 09.He will properly sell less than Planet Earth (a little over a 100,000 copies).We have to except that this is the way it is now.Now having said that,i still look forward to his new music.
I have to disagree, the music industry is looking out for this, I think undercover they are hoping its his big comeback it will do well if promoted right comeback from what? and how many times has he "comeback" already? man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81 | |
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KCOOLMUZIQ said: BELL6983 said: Those albums were backed by majors.Prince most successful independent album was the Rainbow Children and it only sold 103,000 copies. Actually Crystal Ball was Prince most successful independent album it sold 250.000. 103,000 copies isn't a bad number if U profiting 4rm the majority of the sales. If U an independent artist U can actually make more money on ur own than with a label if promoted correctly....So stop focusing on the numbers sold focus on the profits made.... Profit does not measure cultural impact in terms of exposure, audience size, market share, etc. which is more closely measured by media mentions, press clippings, and yes, units sold. So while being "#1 at the bank" is good for Prince's bank account, in terms of other kinds of currency like cultural currency it doesn't necessarily translate. "That...magic, the start of something revolutionary-the Minneapolis Sound, we should cherish it and not punish prince for not being able to replicate it."-Dreamshaman32 | |
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piccolo7 said: yeah tht cos the british people love him and appreicate his music more that why he sold alot over in the uk
they went like hotcakes lol oh yeah? where were the loyal fans of the uk during the gold experience tour? naw they were walking about cause he wasn't doing little red corvette or pr ..so this last time, it was advertised (again) that this would b the last time the hits were played. so will those that "love and appreciate his music" b there 4 a tour with NO hits? the jury is still out on that one man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81 | |
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if P had really cared about shipping units and charts, he would have wiped 'slave' off his face, took a vice president's role at WB, accepted lower advances on his record deal, and played the game... | |
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alexandernevermind1999 said: if P had really cared about shipping units and charts, he would have wiped 'slave' off his face, took a vice president's role at WB, accepted lower advances on his record deal, and played the game...
Say it again.....4 those not paying attention. | |
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