Fuck Prince on this one.

To keepo it short n simple.

I think Prince has some legal rights... and for the most part it is his right to protect them

BUT

Even though he has rights... he's not always right. There is a line which he doesn't have to cross just because he can where his fan's appreciation for him and his music are concerned.

BigDaddyHQ said:

^ and there we have it in a nutshell. Couldn't have put it better myself.

Of course I support Prince's rights to his own work. But you only have to look
at the numerous fansites of other major artists to see they are granted a vastly
looser reign by their respective heroes, without damaging to their art/product.

skywalker said:

I don't agree with your argument on two counts - on the first point, the question is not whether or not it should be available, but rather does Prince want it to be released. It's like the teenager saying that she felt she had to sneak out of the house to go meet that guy she likes, because her parents would have said no. (And as I recall, Prince didn't release The Black Album, Warner Bros. did.)

I find him laughable in all aspects of this issue. On one hand I can see where he would want to control it, but he is extreme with his ways.


In the end it doesn't matter. I only collect his music. He can keep his banners, pictures, websites and videos.. don't give two flips about them

funkyhead said:

Prince is rich enough not to care that fans post videos of songs they like and want to share with others. Does it really hurt Prince if someone posts his performance or video from the past? Nope. In the end, Prince wants more money, thus the $77 membership fees and such. Prince is about 1) music and 2) money, nothing else.

Copyright control is basically non-existent these days, and it's relevance in modern society will only decline. If Prince and other "artists" are so upset, they should instead take jobs in retail, at McDonald's, etc, and see how the other side lives. Prince should be grateful his "hard life" turned out so well, and be willing to let his middle aged/senor citizen fans post videos on YouTube. It really shows his lack of character and self-centered persona, when he doesn't even click with his middle aged fans. That's why I also doubt Prince is truly a man of God, because Prince is way too self centered to ever truly be about God.

If I ever won a rigged contest like those purple ticket winners, I'd tell him all this to his face, in his own house. Fat chance!

wonder505 said:

No, you support him because you're insane.

lspear76 said:

Me. Totally.
Creative production must be protected.
It's his work, his creations, it needs protection.

funkyhead said:

Paris9748430 said:

Fine point well made. We also need to remember that his first source of income is now made up of huge chunks from Record labels, record stores, tour organisers etc, so it is THEY who put his ass in the mansion!. The financial relationship works in reverse i.e. corporates take a gamble, pay him millions and then rely on P doing his bit to ensure that we pay enough to generate income to replenish the corporate pot!.

overall there seems to be some sympathy on here for P but also a wish that he would go about his business in a less aggressive way. With the new website content we may all finally be heading for a 'resolution'!.

Now I see why Prince shut down that camera phone 12 second clip of him playing Creep. Because he wants to SELL his professionally filmed version, for the low low price of $77 for a lifetime membership! That makes everything all right! Prince not only owns his own image, but he owns the film you shot on your camera phone, and he owns Radioheads song now too! He's right, and I support him with all my heart I can learn so much from this great man who I know so well! I'm going to give my life over to Jehovah, because every other religion has got it wrong. And although Jehovah's Witnesses despise homosexuality, Prince is right by overlooking this fact, and even studies the bible with his gay friends. Picking and choosing only what you like about a religion is RIGHT! What a man!
[Edited 2/3/09 3:56am]

lspear76 said:

we all mistakes and i'm sure you're not perfect. Give the man a break and think of the good stuff.

lspear76 said:

Luckily I read some sarcasm here.

After this last silly useless lawsuit against the baby dancing to Let's Go Crazy's video:
http://www.wikio.com/video/20551
I think that Prince has a cultish mind.
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[Edited 2/3/09 4:59am]

jn2 said:

correction. the lawsuit is against Prince not the other way around, although she did receive a letter from universal which was silly the same.

hey why have laws only to protect nilly-willy just you and your stuff,

I support him.
If he made it he can do what he wants.
It's his creation.
very simple people

thepope2the9s said:

Who then gives them out to people he's sued before Someone needs a grip.

thepope2the9s said:

His representatives are going after stuff he didn't create and doesn't own, and using their finances as muscle.

BigDaddyHQ said:

i agree with this ..

there is a fine line of protecting one's music but if ur gonna squawk about every little thing then that's a different matter.

BigDaddyHQ said:

I agree with that.

I support his right to control his own music, but I think he could be more lenient. I think if he were to allow his songs to be on Youtube, for instance, it could even work in his favor. I can't tell you how many times I've heard a song on Youtube and then subsequently purchased it in the iTunes music store. If only he owned the rights to all of his masters, then he could have his own Youtube channel with all his music videos.

Of course his work should be protected. Everybody's work should be.

But there is a difference between having your work protected and the way you enforce that protection.

Prince often takes it too far, as with the Let's go crazy You tube clip and the impossible to meet demands he sets for fansites, under the barrel of a legal gun with an army of big shot lawyers and a vigilant Paisley police squad.

Prince also doesn't seem to realise that he is only bringing water to the sea, doing nothing more than piss off fans and lose customers, while his lawyers are lining their pockets, as he can't stop the internet.

When you couple that to the many times he too violated other people's rights and screwed his fans and band members over, it already leaves a bitter taste when he is on another one of his copyright crusades.

But even if you factor that out, he is still not consistent because of the fact that he doesn't releases the many albums he said he would once he would get "free".

Worse yet, due to his disputes with Warner brothers even some of his older material isn't even available anymore or very hard to find.

And then I am not even expecting him to release more of his alleged "vault" or endorse a tribute project like the Norwegian cd-box..

All this together I don't find myself feeling much sympathy for his "cause" very often anymore.

It's a shame.


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[Edited 2/3/09 16:35pm]

skywalker said:

Sigworthy^^

Don't get me wrong, I don't condone bootlegs...I am just saying that there is a HIGH demand for Prince's art and that I think he could do a better job of meeting it. Of course it is his right to release, or not release, what he wants. That does not mean that we should go around stealing it because we want it. From a fan perspective, I look at other artists of his caliber and wish that Prince would be a little less stingy with his releases. I mean, he is the greatest live performer of his generation and look at the pitiful amount of official live releases from him. Simply put, if he had a better business model he'd cut down on bootlegs heavily....

Cinnie said:

skywalker said:

Is it really an issue taht a million horny chicks have his pictures in their Prince folders on a PC?

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

I think the point is that there should be royalties payed, just like radio pays.

To my knowledge Youtube pays no royalties (i may be wrong)
The music biz is dieing because its so easy to get things for free.
I think thats Prince's take on the matter

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

No. I don't think he is going after millions of horny chicks because of what is in their folders on their PC. I think he is going after those putting up on a website. His right? Probably. Right? Hmmmm