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Reply #60 posted 02/02/09 6:37am

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Graycap23 said:

Could Mozart sing? .....case closed.


Can Prince read music? Or write his own down?
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Reply #61 posted 02/02/09 6:38am

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Could Mozart sing? .....case closed.


Actually, he could.

There is an incident where he performed an ensemble aria from one of his operas (I can't remember now which one) with several people at home. The info probably can be found in Wolfgang Hildesheimer's excellent book "Mozart".

Could Prince play one of Mozart's piano concertos on the level of an internationally known piano player like, for instance, Alfred Brendel, Murray Prahia or Mitsuko Uchida?

I doubt it. Prince is very, very good at the piano, especially when it comes to accompanying himself, but his technique isn't good enough to play a lot of the tricky pieces from classical music (that's the difference between classical training and being self-taught). Just listen to "The Dance": Prince's piano work on that track is beautiful, no doubt, but the fast runs show a tiny little bit of technical abilities missing. It doesn't matter though, because he doesn't need it for the music he records.

Could Prince play the violin on Mozart's level (i.e. playing one of the Mozart concertos)? I don't know, but he would have to practise like an idiot. I've played the violin myself for 10 years, but Mozart's 4th concerto still was too difficult for me.

Can Prince write orchestral music? I doubt it, why would he hire Claire Fischer if otherwise?

Honestly, folks, this is a pointless comparison. Both excellent musicians, but in two completely different genres. Mozart has been a genius you'll probably only find every x centuries (in average). Why should we try to compare anyone to him?
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Reply #62 posted 02/02/09 6:38am

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jdcxc said:

Rock/guitar-based music is basically sped up blues.


Somebody always gotta make it about race. rolleyes


Yeah. Bloody racists. Anyway what about Yngwie Malmsteen?
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Reply #63 posted 02/02/09 6:53am

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Honestly, folks, this is a pointless comparison. ?


Agreed.
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Reply #64 posted 02/02/09 3:28pm

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It's basically impossible to compare the two, as they are two completely different types of artists.

But I'll say Prince is more comparable as an artist to Mozart than he is to Madonna.
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Reply #65 posted 02/02/09 8:44pm

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iloveannie said:

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apples to oranges... OK now compare them... lol


I watched a video recently of a girl with some oranges. I'm not sure but I reckon she could have hidden apples just the same way although I doubt so many.

There was a video years ago called Apples and Oranges with a girl who popped one up her front-bottom and as she did so one popped out of her botpot. Yet on closer inspection it turned out that they were both oranges and not one apple and one orange as had been suggested by the title. Never did know who to forward the complaint to.


You could forward your complaint to Mr Delmonte, if he says no...then send it to Granny Smith.
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Reply #66 posted 02/02/09 8:47pm

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Sdldawn said:

Mozart wouldn't write about boxes of chocolates that could knock the socks of anyone that that comes his way


where tha strings?


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Reply #67 posted 02/02/09 8:48pm

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Isn't it true that Prince can't even read or write music? He's hardly in the league of Mozart.
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Reply #68 posted 02/02/09 9:08pm

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The only true comparison U could make between the 2, is their ability to produce vast volumes of music in minimal time!
As brilliant as Mozart was in comparison to many! I don't think he was all that inovative! Where Prince can be!
Four Composers stand out as innovators copared to their contemporaries in their respective era. Bach. Beethoven. Wagner & Puccini all brought something new to their respective audience.
Prince brought a new sound to the '80's & '90's.
So really! No comparison!
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Reply #69 posted 02/03/09 6:13am

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I love Prince, but...man...Mozart was freakin' MOZART!

Have you HEARD The Requiem? The Magic Flute?

Queen of the Night Aria: http://www.youtube.com/wa...qBW_9OjhlA

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Reply #70 posted 02/03/09 6:58am

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bleutuna said:

I love Prince, but...man...Mozart was freakin' MOZART!

Have you HEARD The Requiem? The Magic Flute?

Queen of the Night Aria: http://www.youtube.com/wa...qBW_9OjhlA

:drool:


My favorite Mozart aria bar none. cool
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Reply #71 posted 02/03/09 7:33am

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there is no use in comparing both. Mozart was a classical artist, Prince is a popular artist. I never liked comparisons, but if you have to compare Prince to someone, it makes more sense to compare him with Mc Cartney, Dylan, Wonder, Hendrix, etc.
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Reply #72 posted 02/03/09 7:52am

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The comparison is hilarious and unfair to Prince lol

At the age of 5 Mozart was composing music already, and at the age of 8, he'd composed a full scale opera far superior to Prince's only Opera which he composed in his late 30s lol.
Moreover, comparing Prince's Opera , Kamasutra, or any of Prince's albums to Don Giovanni is just laughable. Mozart simply smokes Prince in composition, emotion, skill, and overall concept.

Remember, Mozart could critically listen to something being played, while writing down full scale symphonic pieces, while composing an entirely different one in his head than the one he was writing down.

250 years have passed, and Mozart's music is still loved, studied, and emulated. 250 years from now Prince's music will be loved, studied, and emulated as well. But there will be no comparison. The only age and time you'll ever see Prince being compared to Mozart is from Prince fans, still alive today. In the future, long after we're all good and gone, such a discussion wouldn't even cross a music professor or student's mind.

And I'm saying this as a Prince fan. lol

YES!!!
I hope that this ends the silly comparison between Prince and Mozart. I love Prince, but he is not in Mozart's league.
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Reply #73 posted 02/03/09 8:00am

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YES!!!
I hope that this ends the silly comparison between Prince and Mozart. I love Prince, but he is not in Mozart's league.

Doesn't that work in both directions?
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Reply #74 posted 02/03/09 8:24am

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GustavoRibas said:

there is no use in comparing both. Mozart was a classical artist, Prince is a popular artist. I never liked comparisons, but if you have to compare Prince to someone, it makes more sense to compare him with Mc Cartney, Dylan, Wonder, Hendrix, etc.


Wrong about Mozart being only a "classical artist." Classical is a relatively recent term used to identify composers by era (as opposed to Romantic, Neo-classical, or Contemporary composers, for example).

At the time he was writing music, Mozart was very much a popular artist. His operatic works, in particular, were a huge part of the popular music offering of the day.
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Reply #75 posted 02/03/09 10:17am

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Genesia said:

GustavoRibas said:

there is no use in comparing both. Mozart was a classical artist, Prince is a popular artist. I never liked comparisons, but if you have to compare Prince to someone, it makes more sense to compare him with Mc Cartney, Dylan, Wonder, Hendrix, etc.


Wrong about Mozart being only a "classical artist." Classical is a relatively recent term used to identify composers by era (as opposed to Romantic, Neo-classical, or Contemporary composers, for example).

At the time he was writing music, Mozart was very much a popular artist. His operatic works, in particular, were a huge part of the popular music offering of the day.


absolutely, and as his music became more complex, he lost favor among the people--just as happened to prince

Moreover, people point to him writing before he was ten. But if you listen to Mozart's early stuff it's really simple. Impressive for a kid, yes, but composing & counterpoint can be more like learning math than divine inspiration (as Mozart was no doubt stuck with many times).

There is a "correct" way to compose, Mozart was taught and took to it at a young age. But it's no different than any young child learning a skill. Mozart was amazing because he used the skill and eventually made amazing music with it, but just to compose is not amazing in and of itself.
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Reply #76 posted 02/03/09 10:26am

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NDRU said:

Genesia said:



Wrong about Mozart being only a "classical artist." Classical is a relatively recent term used to identify composers by era (as opposed to Romantic, Neo-classical, or Contemporary composers, for example).

At the time he was writing music, Mozart was very much a popular artist. His operatic works, in particular, were a huge part of the popular music offering of the day.


absolutely, and as his music became more complex, he lost favor among the people--just as happened to prince

Moreover, people point to him writing before he was ten. But if you listen to Mozart's early stuff it's really simple. Impressive for a kid, yes, but composing & counterpoint can be more like learning math than divine inspiration (as Mozart was no doubt stuck with many times).

There is a "correct" way to compose, Mozart was taught and took to it at a young age. But it's no different than any young child learning a skill. Mozart was amazing because he used the skill and eventually made amazing music with it, but just to compose is not amazing in and of itself.


Mozart also had his own version of Warner Brothers. wink
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Reply #77 posted 02/03/09 10:33am

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Shit hop vs. Mozart would be a fairer comparison. Both are equally as slow and dull. At least Mozart was talented though.
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Reply #78 posted 02/03/09 2:44pm

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Genesia said:

GustavoRibas said:

there is no use in comparing both. Mozart was a classical artist, Prince is a popular artist. I never liked comparisons, but if you have to compare Prince to someone, it makes more sense to compare him with Mc Cartney, Dylan, Wonder, Hendrix, etc.


Wrong about Mozart being only a "classical artist." Classical is a relatively recent term used to identify composers by era (as opposed to Romantic, Neo-classical, or Contemporary composers, for example).

At the time he was writing music, Mozart was very much a popular artist. His operatic works, in particular, were a huge part of the popular music offering of the day.


On the other hand, one shouldn't make the mistake to assume that the relation of "popular music" and "art music" (= the gap) we know today is identical to the situation of the 18th century. There were times when people (well, at least some) were entertained by "art music". Like Bach's or Mozart's concertos.
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Reply #79 posted 02/03/09 2:45pm

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vainandy said:

Shit hop vs. Mozart would be a fairer comparison. Both are equally as slow and dull. At least Mozart was talented though.


Man, you should listen to "The Abduction from the Seraglio", for instance. If that is slow and dull, then I'm Kanye West. biggrin
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Reply #80 posted 02/03/09 2:51pm

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EmancipationLover said:

vainandy said:

Shit hop vs. Mozart would be a fairer comparison. Both are equally as slow and dull. At least Mozart was talented though.


Man, you should listen to "The Abduction from the Serail", for instance. If that is slow and dull, then I'm Kanye West. biggrin


Do you mean "Abduction from the Seraglio"? lol
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Reply #81 posted 02/03/09 2:54pm

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Genesia said:

EmancipationLover said:



Man, you should listen to "The Abduction from the Serail", for instance. If that is slow and dull, then I'm Kanye West. biggrin


Do you mean "Abduction from the Seraglio"? lol


Ooops, mixing up German with English. Thanks - and edited! biggrin
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Reply #82 posted 02/03/09 2:55pm

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EmancipationLover said:

Genesia said:



Wrong about Mozart being only a "classical artist." Classical is a relatively recent term used to identify composers by era (as opposed to Romantic, Neo-classical, or Contemporary composers, for example).

At the time he was writing music, Mozart was very much a popular artist. His operatic works, in particular, were a huge part of the popular music offering of the day.


On the other hand, one shouldn't make the mistake to assume that the relation of "popular music" and "art music" (= the gap) we know today is identical to the situation of the 18th century. There were times when people (well, at least some) were entertained by "art music". Like Bach's or Mozart's concertos.


I think that's what genesia was saying. Back then it wasn't "classical music," it was music.

Mozart did operas that were funny & entertaining, and in fact the whole classical style is based on folk music and was considered simpler & more accessible than the stuff Bach had been doing.
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Reply #83 posted 02/03/09 2:58pm

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NDRU said:

EmancipationLover said:



On the other hand, one shouldn't make the mistake to assume that the relation of "popular music" and "art music" (= the gap) we know today is identical to the situation of the 18th century. There were times when people (well, at least some) were entertained by "art music". Like Bach's or Mozart's concertos.


I think that's what genesia was saying. Back then it wasn't "classical music," it was music.

Mozart did operas that were funny & entertaining, and in fact the whole classical style is based on folk music and was considered simpler & more accessible than the stuff Bach had been doing.


Exactly. Thank you. cool
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Reply #84 posted 02/03/09 3:04pm

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NDRU said:

EmancipationLover said:



On the other hand, one shouldn't make the mistake to assume that the relation of "popular music" and "art music" (= the gap) we know today is identical to the situation of the 18th century. There were times when people (well, at least some) were entertained by "art music". Like Bach's or Mozart's concertos.


I think that's what genesia was saying. Back then it wasn't "classical music," it was music.

Mozart did operas that were funny & entertaining, and in fact the whole classical style is based on folk music and was considered simpler & more accessible than the stuff Bach had been doing.


Not denying a lot of what you say. I just wanted to give a little heads-up that it's not too recommendable imo to see Mozart as some sort of 18th century pop musician when the musical categories at that time were completely different than they are today. I won't rule out though that we all are basically saying the same thing.

Maybe we should try to compare Prince to Johann Strauss...
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Reply #85 posted 02/04/09 3:31am

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Prince is MozArt

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Reply #86 posted 02/04/09 3:56am

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Prince is MozArt

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as mozart was music...

or reincarnated... cool
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Reply #87 posted 02/04/09 4:00am

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IMMORTAL1 said:

Prince is MozArt

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as mozart was music...

or reincarnated... cool


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Reply #88 posted 02/04/09 4:01am

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IMMORTAL1 said:

doriangrayville said:



as mozart was music...

or reincarnated... cool


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Reply #89 posted 02/04/09 4:06am

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IMMORTAL1 said:



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