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Printablebleutuna said: PurpleKnight said: To build interest in a new album, you have to release a song that instantly catches the attention of everyone. People here like to make up every excuse in the world for why Prince's new singles never have an impact (I used to do the same thing), but the likely truth is that he isn't able to write a hook that the people like.
Without that hot new song, there isn't much he can do. Eh, you're begging the question. You need the hook, but you also need the massive and expensive hype machine behind you. There are hundreds of thousands of amazing artists and songs out there who've never even touched the Billboard Top 100 or even 500. Prince *has* written plenty of great hooks in the last few years, but that doesn't mean anyone's even hearing his work. I'm not saying that if people were hearing it they'd jump on board, either. I'm simply stating the logic of 'he isn't able to write a hook that people like' is a fallacy. You're assuming that those other artists have the same marketability as Prince. He is still a very commercially attractive name. His ability to sell out tours based on his hit songs is proof enough of that. He received a lot of attention with the Musicology tour, and Musicology was played a lot on all the major channels. No one appeared to like the song though. Ditto for Black Sweat. [Edited 1/21/09 13:58pm] The world is a comedy for those who think and a tragedy for those who feel.
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TheEnglishGent said: DetroitMusic said: 3121 SOLD OVER 500,000 Copies in The USA and 1.1 Million World Wide!
Get the Facts Straight! I'm the only one that mentioned 3121 and I asked a question. Didn't present any facts, other than a link to an article about UK sales. So thank you for answering my question, even if you didn't read my post properly!  What u need 2 do is go back and read your own post  |
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PurpleKnight said: bleutuna said: Eh, you're begging the question. You need the hook, but you also need the massive and expensive hype machine behind you. There are hundreds of thousands of amazing artists and songs out there who've never even touched the Billboard Top 100 or even 500. Prince *has* written plenty of great hooks in the last few years, but that doesn't mean anyone's even hearing his work. I'm not saying that if people were hearing it they'd jump on board, either. I'm simply stating the logic of 'he isn't able to write a hook that people like' is a fallacy. You're assuming that those other artists have the same marketability as Prince. He is still a very commercially attractive name. His ability to sell out tours based on his hit songs is proof enough of that. He received a lot of attention with the Musicology tour, and Musicology was played a lot on all the major channels. No one appeared to like the song though. Ditto for Black Sweat. [Edited 1/21/09 13:58pm] No matter how much publicity Prince gets, he can't compete with the marketing machine of major record labels. How many of us turn on whatever Clear Channel Station you have in your town and hear the same 15 songs looped ad nauseum? that's how you make a popular song today, and it works. The same songs, played over and over, until they become a part of your subconscious. I wanna be loved to the 9s, so let me cover your ass with this sheet, and baby, you better stay on the beat! Cause you know the Karma Sutra? I can rewrite it. But, with half as many words. | |
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But, ARGH, I don't CARE if Prince charts, personally.
His music speaks for itself. Rabble-rousers like you try to use it as some sort of measuring stick for his talent, and that's just ridiculous. When's the last time Van Morrison had a #1 single? Billy Joel? Hell, Ben Folds? The list goes on and on. Talent is *not* synonymous with sales, and that's the point. You can say 'Well, he has his name, that should be enough.' But then, again, you're begging the question. Circular logic. You make a statement, then use your own fallacy to reinforce your statement. If Prince 'Future Baby Momma' had been a #1 - I still wouldn't think it's a great song of his. 'Crucial' never saw the charts, and it's one of his best in my opinion. I wanna be loved to the 9s, so let me cover your ass with this sheet, and baby, you better stay on the beat! Cause you know the Karma Sutra? I can rewrite it. But, with half as many words. | |
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How am I begging the question? He's a marketable name whose songs were played a lot. They didn't chart because the public rejected them. It is a very simple matter. If anything, you're building a straw man by claiming I said that his name should be enough. I never said that. His songs were played in 2004, he had the hype of a comeback return, and his name is marketable. He also had Universal. No hit.
You're assuming those songs that are played only become hits because of their high level of airplay. I don't think that's true. They also require a strong hook (not lyrical or musical quality, but a strong hook). The ones that become hits have that. Either way, I don't care if Prince charts either. I just want music I like. Radiohead's In Rainbows album didn't produce a big hit, but I love it to death. [Edited 1/21/09 14:17pm] The world is a comedy for those who think and a tragedy for those who feel.
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PurpleKnight said: To build interest in a new album, you have to release a song that instantly catches the attention of everyone. People here like to make up every excuse in the world for why Prince's new singles never have an impact (I used to do the same thing), but the likely truth is that he isn't able to write a hook that the people like.
Without that hot new song, there isn't much he can do. I think you simplify things a bit too much here. People who buy singles or download the songs often are still quite young, and as a result, artists with chart success often are the ones who simply appeal to this kind of audience. General rule: the older artists get, the more difficult it becomes for them to have chart success. A lot of the stuff found in the charts nowadays doesn't have a memorable hook, but the songs are produced in a fashionable way and performed by someone who's considered "hip" (Beyonce, Christina...). In addition, that kind of stuff is simply marketed to death. Example: "Black Sweat". I would rate this song superior to, for instance, "Sexyback" by a certain someone (that song doesn't even have the trace of a melody). But who charts? What about recent chart success of people like Springsteen and Duran Duran? The only "senior" artist who charts constantly is Madonna, and that is because she is chasing every stupid trend that has ever been created in popular music. I personally don't want to see Prince feat. Timberlake produced by Timbaland...  | |
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Ugh, we're arguing in circles here.
Prince *can* write good hooks, that's my point. But a good hook also needs marketing to reach high on the charts. Case in point is 'Call my Name' which was never released as a single, but got enough airplay by the power of the song alone, to get to #75. So Prince has it in him, but he needs both airplay and marketing power behind him to ever reach the top 10 again. And the song will have to be STELLAR. I don't think anything I've heard from the new material has any chance of charting. Do I like it? Yes, I'm a Prince fan, but people get tired of sounds, and artists fall off the charts. Prince would have to pick the RIGHT single from MPLSound or LotusFlow3r (assuming there is a RIGHT single) and then have Sony or Universal or whomever pushing the hell out of the song. I wanna be loved to the 9s, so let me cover your ass with this sheet, and baby, you better stay on the beat! Cause you know the Karma Sutra? I can rewrite it. But, with half as many words. | |
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EmancipationLover said: PurpleKnight said: To build interest in a new album, you have to release a song that instantly catches the attention of everyone. People here like to make up every excuse in the world for why Prince's new singles never have an impact (I used to do the same thing), but the likely truth is that he isn't able to write a hook that the people like.
Without that hot new song, there isn't much he can do. I think you simplify things a bit too much here. People who buy singles or download the songs often are still quite young, and as a result, artists with chart success often are the ones who simply appeal to this kind of audience. General rule: the older artists get, the more difficult it becomes for them to have chart success. A lot of the stuff found in the charts nowadays doesn't have a memorable hook, but the songs are produced in a fashionable way and performed by someone who's considered "hip" (Beyonce, Christina...). In addition, that kind of stuff is simply marketed to death. Example: "Black Sweat". I would rate this song superior to, for instance, "Sexyback" by a certain someone (that song doesn't even have the trace of a melody). But who charts? What about recent chart success of people like Springsteen and Duran Duran? The only "senior" artist who charts constantly is Madonna, and that is because she is chasing every stupid trend that has ever been created in popular music. I personally don't want to see Prince feat. Timberlake produced by Timbaland... I don't know WHAT happened to Black Sweat and agree 100% it's got the feel/vibe of Sexyback. But, you know...it didn't gel with people. And while it had that initial push, it never caught fire. WHo knows why. It's a badass song. AND... As much as I hate to say this - you have to figure in the 'Do I wanna' bone him?' factor of this kind of music. Which is part of the reason MJ can't seem to chart with a damn. People hear 'Sexyback' or other JTimby songs, and they think, 'Yes, please, I'd like to have sex with you.' Do people still feel this way about Prince? I know folks on the Org do, but Prince is 50 years old and has been around forever. Also, something I haven't mentioned, but is a huge part of marketing an album - you have to GET OUT THERE TO THE PUBLIC and be seen. Not just through your video or airplay, but be on every awards show you can, be wherever you can be. This is why Musicology sold over 2million and 3121 and PE were failures in comparison. [Edited 1/21/09 14:51pm] I wanna be loved to the 9s, so let me cover your ass with this sheet, and baby, you better stay on the beat! Cause you know the Karma Sutra? I can rewrite it. But, with half as many words. | |
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pennylover said: TheEnglishGent said: I'm the only one that mentioned 3121 and I asked a question. Didn't present any facts, other than a link to an article about UK sales. So thank you for answering my question, even if you didn't read my post properly! What u need 2 do is go back and read your own post TheEnglishGent said: How many did Planet Earth or 3121 sell stateside? According to this, 3121 sold about 80,000 in the UK http://www.telegraph.co.u...ns....html. Where have I presented anything as fact about overall sales? Just an, according to this article about UK sales. 
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EmancipationLover said: PurpleKnight said: To build interest in a new album, you have to release a song that instantly catches the attention of everyone. People here like to make up every excuse in the world for why Prince's new singles never have an impact (I used to do the same thing), but the likely truth is that he isn't able to write a hook that the people like.
Without that hot new song, there isn't much he can do. I think you simplify things a bit too much here. People who buy singles or download the songs often are still quite young, and as a result, artists with chart success often are the ones who simply appeal to this kind of audience. General rule: the older artists get, the more difficult it becomes for them to have chart success. A lot of the stuff found in the charts nowadays doesn't have a memorable hook, but the songs are produced in a fashionable way and performed by someone who's considered "hip" (Beyonce, Christina...). In addition, that kind of stuff is simply marketed to death. Example: "Black Sweat". I would rate this song superior to, for instance, "Sexyback" by a certain someone (that song doesn't even have the trace of a melody). But who charts? What about recent chart success of people like Springsteen and Duran Duran? The only "senior" artist who charts constantly is Madonna, and that is because she is chasing every stupid trend that has ever been created in popular music. I personally don't want to see Prince feat. Timberlake produced by Timbaland... Simplify things too much? Yeah, that's definitely possible. I'm no expert about the music business, and you're right that there are myriad other factors involved. Where I disagree is that a lot of the stuff today doesn't have a memorable hook. I'd say that's about all they have, and combined with the other factors you mentioned, it gets them on the charts. Not that it's a bad thing, but I don't think Prince is all that good at writing a pop hook these days. From the lazy hooks of Cinnamon Girl and Forever to the rudimentary R&B of songs like Call My Name, I just don't see much there that would be compelling to any pop music fan regardless of how much any major label were to push it on the masses. In other words, I don't see songs like that possibly charting at any point during Prince's career. The world is a comedy for those who think and a tragedy for those who feel.
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bleutuna said: EmancipationLover said: I think you simplify things a bit too much here. People who buy singles or download the songs often are still quite young, and as a result, artists with chart success often are the ones who simply appeal to this kind of audience. General rule: the older artists get, the more difficult it becomes for them to have chart success. A lot of the stuff found in the charts nowadays doesn't have a memorable hook, but the songs are produced in a fashionable way and performed by someone who's considered "hip" (Beyonce, Christina...). In addition, that kind of stuff is simply marketed to death. Example: "Black Sweat". I would rate this song superior to, for instance, "Sexyback" by a certain someone (that song doesn't even have the trace of a melody). But who charts? What about recent chart success of people like Springsteen and Duran Duran? The only "senior" artist who charts constantly is Madonna, and that is because she is chasing every stupid trend that has ever been created in popular music. I personally don't want to see Prince feat. Timberlake produced by Timbaland... I don't know WHAT happened to Black Sweat and agree 100% it's got the feel/vibe of Sexyback. But, you know...it didn't gel with people. And while it had that initial push, it never caught fire. WHo knows why. It's a badass song. AND... As much as I hate to say this - you have to figure in the 'Do I wanna' bone him?' factor of this kind of music. Which is part of the reason MJ can't seem to chart with a damn. People hear 'Sexyback' or other JTimby songs, and they think, 'Yes, please, I'd like to have sex with you.' Do people still feel this way about Prince? I know folks on the Org do, but Prince is 50 years old and has been around forever. Also, something I haven't mentioned, but is a huge part of marketing an album - you have to GET OUT THERE TO THE PUBLIC and be seen. Not just through your video or airplay, but be on every awards show you can, be wherever you can be. This is why Musicology sold over 2million and 3121 and PE were failures in comparison. [Edited 1/21/09 14:51pm] I think Timbaland is a good example. People buy stuff he has produced because it sounds like a Timbaland product, but that has been established by the record companies. It's the kind of product you never actually needed, but by means of clever marketing, it has become a standard. You're right about the sex aspect though. I can't even remember a new popstar who wasn't beatiful and sexy, but made it through musical skills. There were at least a few in the past - Billy Joel, Elton John... | |
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PurpleKnight said: EmancipationLover said: I think you simplify things a bit too much here. People who buy singles or download the songs often are still quite young, and as a result, artists with chart success often are the ones who simply appeal to this kind of audience. General rule: the older artists get, the more difficult it becomes for them to have chart success. A lot of the stuff found in the charts nowadays doesn't have a memorable hook, but the songs are produced in a fashionable way and performed by someone who's considered "hip" (Beyonce, Christina...). In addition, that kind of stuff is simply marketed to death. Example: "Black Sweat". I would rate this song superior to, for instance, "Sexyback" by a certain someone (that song doesn't even have the trace of a melody). But who charts? What about recent chart success of people like Springsteen and Duran Duran? The only "senior" artist who charts constantly is Madonna, and that is because she is chasing every stupid trend that has ever been created in popular music. I personally don't want to see Prince feat. Timberlake produced by Timbaland... Simplify things too much? Yeah, that's definitely possible. I'm no expert about the music business, and you're right that there are myriad other factors involved. Where I disagree is that a lot of the stuff today doesn't have a memorable hook. I'd say that's about all they have, and combined with the other factors you mentioned, it gets them on the charts. Not that it's a bad thing, but I don't think Prince is all that good at writing a pop hook these days. From the lazy hooks of Cinnamon Girl and Forever to the rudimentary R&B of songs like Call My Name, I just don't see much there that would be compelling to any pop music fan regardless of how much any major label were to push it on the masses. In other words, I don't see songs like that possibly charting at any point during Prince's career. I think that both "Black Sweat" and "Love" (which hasn't been released as a single though) would have been major hits if they had been performed by Mr. Timberlake. | |
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TheEnglishGent said: So what was I guilty of falling for? I was just saying there's no point promoting because nobody cares outside of the purple community.
[Edited 1/21/09 12:25pm] Your answer: PurpleKnight said: To build interest in a new album, you have to release a song that instantly catches the attention of everyone. People here like to make up every excuse in the world for why Prince's new singles never have an impact (I used to do the same thing), but the likely truth is that he isn't able to write a hook that the people like.
Without that hot new song, there isn't much he can do. And I was also giving my thoughts/opinion on the thread starter(funkyhead) topic  Smurf theme song-seriously how many fucking "La Las" can u fit into a dam song 
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I think that both "Black Sweat" and "Love" (which hasn't been released as a single though) would have been major hits if they had been performed by Mr. Timberlake.
Exactly! I think it's as much about who sings the song as it is about the quality of the track itself. Young kids usually don't go crazy over songs by artists that are old enough to be their parents. It's called rebelling and it's a part of being young (for most folks). On a related note, I still think that Prince has had recent "hits" in one form or another. Musicology, Call My Name, and Future Baby Mama were all Top 10 on Urban AC radio in the U.S. This resulted in a radio audience of millions being exposed to those songs. No, it's not the household name that his songs used to have, but they are still hits for that genre of music. However, those not tuned in to R&B radio probably would not be aware of this. Also, I think that there is a lot to be said about the Musicology and Black Sweat videos getting high airplay on several music television channels. | |
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 man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81 | |
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PurpleKnight said:[quote] bleutuna said: Eh, you're begging the question. You need the hook, but you also need the massive and expensive hype machine behind you. There are hundreds of thousands of amazing artists and songs out there who've never even touched the Billboard Top 100 or even 500. Prince *has* written plenty of great hooks in the last few years, but that doesn't mean anyone's even hearing his work. I'm not saying that if people were hearing it they'd jump on board, either. I'm simply stating the logic of 'he isn't able to write a hook that people like' is a fallacy. You're assuming that those other artists have the same marketability as Prince. He is still a very commercially attractive name. His ability to sell out tours based on his hit songs is proof enough of that. He received a lot of attention with the Musicology tour, and Musicology was played a lot on all the major channels. No one appeared to like the song though. Ditto for Black Sweat. [Edited 1/21/09 13:58pm] You're playing by the old music industry model. The current model depends on touring for it's dollar which places P in a prime position. The industry is in the middle of a reinvention and "hit" singles and the miniscule record sales of all artists mean nothing to the tortured bottom line of these dying labels. They are years away from figuring out how to make money in this environment. If P creates a great trio of albums, he will have the last laugh as an independent artist. I also appreciate the fact that he has stayed away from Clear Channel as his tour promoter. He does not get enough cred for his revolutionary independence. | |
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bleutuna said: Ugh, we're arguing in circles here.
Prince *can* write good hooks, that's my point. But a good hook also needs marketing to reach high on the charts. Case in point is 'Call my Name' which was never released as a single, but got enough airplay by the power of the song alone, to get to #75. So Prince has it in him, but he needs both airplay and marketing power behind him to ever reach the top 10 again. And the song will have to be STELLAR. I don't think anything I've heard from the new material has any chance of charting. Do I like it? Yes, I'm a Prince fan, but people get tired of sounds, and artists fall off the charts. Prince would have to pick the RIGHT single from MPLSound or LotusFlow3r (assuming there is a RIGHT single) and then have Sony or Universal or whomever pushing the hell out of the song. Prince's last 3 albums were distributed and marketed by the 2 biggest hype machines in the music industry and STILL not a single track caught on. So what was your point? | |
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Lots of Albums are released by Universal and Sony, but not all of them are given huge amounts of publicity.
Because the labels *can* do the marketing doesn't mean they will. Marketing is about ROI - you publicize and push something, spend money, so you can make more money back. Considering the deals that Prince had on these albums (on Musicology he got $7 of every $12 in album sales), it makes sense why they would perform just enough publicity to get their investment return, but not layout a blitzkrieg. I wanna be loved to the 9s, so let me cover your ass with this sheet, and baby, you better stay on the beat! Cause you know the Karma Sutra? I can rewrite it. But, with half as many words. | |
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bleutuna said: Lots of Albums are released by Universal and Sony, but not all of them are given huge amounts of publicity.
Because the labels *can* do the marketing doesn't mean they will. Marketing is about ROI - you publicize and push something, spend money, so you can make more money back. Considering the deals that Prince had on these albums (on Musicology he got $7 of every $12 in album sales), it makes sense why they would perform just enough publicity to get their investment return, but not layout a blitzkrieg. So, in a sense, he actually paid them to promote these albums and STILL nothing really caught on. Hmmm. | |
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...no, he paid them to:
* Print the labels * Burn the discs * Print the discs * Put them into cases * Put the cases into trucks * Take the trucks to stores * Put the product onto shelves That's what a DISTRIBUTION deal is about. Which is what Prince had. Pay attention to what's really going on. Let me repeat this: IF YOU DON'T LIKE HIS NEW MUSIC, THEN DON'T LISTEN TO IT! It is sooooo simple. Really. It is. I don't listen to Pearl Jam. Or Velvet Revolver. Or Radiohead. On and on. Band I liked (or parts of whom I liked) at one time, but their sound changed, and so, I moved on. I don't go to the Radiohead forums and bitch and moan incessantly about how they can't write a catchy & experimental song like they once did. I don't go on and on about how they peaked with Ok COMPUTER. Instead, I just listen to OK COMPUTER or the BENDS when I feel the need. [Edited 1/21/09 22:44pm] I wanna be loved to the 9s, so let me cover your ass with this sheet, and baby, you better stay on the beat! Cause you know the Karma Sutra? I can rewrite it. But, with half as many words. | |
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bleutuna said: EmancipationLover said: I think you simplify things a bit too much here. People who buy singles or download the songs often are still quite young, and as a result, artists with chart success often are the ones who simply appeal to this kind of audience. General rule: the older artists get, the more difficult it becomes for them to have chart success. A lot of the stuff found in the charts nowadays doesn't have a memorable hook, but the songs are produced in a fashionable way and performed by someone who's considered "hip" (Beyonce, Christina...). In addition, that kind of stuff is simply marketed to death. Example: "Black Sweat". I would rate this song superior to, for instance, "Sexyback" by a certain someone (that song doesn't even have the trace of a melody). But who charts? What about recent chart success of people like Springsteen and Duran Duran? The only "senior" artist who charts constantly is Madonna, and that is because she is chasing every stupid trend that has ever been created in popular music. I personally don't want to see Prince feat. Timberlake produced by Timbaland... I don't know WHAT happened to Black Sweat and agree 100% it's got the feel/vibe of Sexyback. But, you know...it didn't gel with people. And while it had that initial push, it never caught fire. WHo knows why. It's a badass song. AND... As much as I hate to say this - you have to figure in the 'Do I wanna' bone him?' factor of this kind of music. Which is part of the reason MJ can't seem to chart with a damn. People hear 'Sexyback' or other JTimby songs, and they think, 'Yes, please, I'd like to have sex with you.' Do people still feel this way about Prince? I know folks on the Org do, but Prince is 50 years old and has been around forever. Also, something I haven't mentioned, but is a huge part of marketing an album - you have to GET OUT THERE TO THE PUBLIC and be seen. Not just through your video or airplay, but be on every awards show you can, be wherever you can be. This is why Musicology sold over 2million and 3121 and PE were failures in comparison. [Edited 1/21/09 14:51pm] i would have 2 add 2 actually play the songs from the new album and not just do a interview talking about it man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81 | |
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I totally agree with bleutuna - these are the basic rules of the market: first the publicity, then the public will care. You create the need.
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A cyber-attack! 
purplecam said: mushmackalenta said: everyone is asuming once the site opens the albums will be there.
31/01/09 there's gonna b a riot goin' on in here. But what if the CD's don't drop on 1/31/09? Will there be a "mutiny" up in here over that? [Edited 1/21/09 11:32am] | |
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bleutuna said: Ugh, we're arguing in circles here.
Prince *can* write good hooks, that's my point. But a good hook also needs marketing to reach high on the charts. Case in point is 'Call my Name' which was never released as a single, but got enough airplay by the power of the song alone, to get to #75. So Prince has it in him, but he needs both airplay and marketing power behind him to ever reach the top 10 again. And the song will have to be STELLAR. I don't think anything I've heard from the new material has any chance of charting. Do I like it? Yes, I'm a Prince fan, but people get tired of sounds, and artists fall off the charts. Prince would have to pick the RIGHT single from MPLSound or LotusFlow3r (assuming there is a RIGHT single) and then have Sony or Universal or whomever pushing the hell out of the song. I think of what we have heard so far that certainly Crimson and Clover and 4ever have chart potential. I've got a guitar that can part the sea. | |
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More straw men. I concede that maybe Universal didn't do as much for him as I thought, but as for the other claims? First there was the claim that I said Prince's name should be enough. Not true. Now there is a comment claiming I said the strength of a song alone will get it done. Uh, no.
What I'm saying is that I don't think it would matter if Prince got the best level of publicity and marketing possible because he just isn't very adept at crafting a memorable pop hook anymore. That's my opinion, and if you wish to disagree with that, you're very welcome to. As for the part about complaining about an artist's recent output, what's wrong with that? What's wrong with expressing disappointment over your favourite artist releasing sub-par material? I still love a plethora of past albums by the man, and he has shown glimpses of something special in his newer songs. I don't see why I should feel the need to abandon discussion of his work. [Edited 1/22/09 0:13am] The world is a comedy for those who think and a tragedy for those who feel.
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PurpleKnight said: What I'm saying is that I don't think it would matter if Prince got the best level of publicity and marketing possible because he just isn't very adept at crafting a memorable pop hook anymore. That's my opinion, and if you wish to disagree with that, you're very welcome to. As for the part about complaining about an artist's recent output, what's wrong with that? What's wrong with expressing disappointment over your favourite artist releasing sub-par material? I still love a plethora of past albums by the man, and he has shown glimpses of something special in his newer songs. I don't see why I should feel the need to abandon discussion of his work. [Edited 1/22/09 0:13am]  ...And we'll both probably buy the Purple Product on it's/their release date. We'll likely have some moments of heavy cringe-face during initial listenings, but after the thud of Musicology, 3121(to a lesser extent) and Planet Earth, at least my guard is up.If prince.org were to be made idiot proof, someone would just invent a better idiot. | |
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Here's the deal. The only way Prince can find his way back to the charts is if he collaborates with a "hot" act out today, like Justin Timberlake or Rihanna, Beyonce, Chris Brown and so on. Madonna is around the same age as Prince and she had her biggest hit in years with "4 Minutes To Save The World" partly if not mostly because of JT being on the song. Prince's song could be the worst song ever made but if Lil Wayne is on it and they push the shit out of it, it could be Prince's biggest hit since "Kiss". I'll say it for the thousandth time, quality doesn't mean that much today in music. Its about who you know and what they can do to push your product. I would love to be wrong about this but I don't know. [Edited 1/23/09 7:00am] I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that | |
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EmancipationLover said: PurpleKnight said: Simplify things too much? Yeah, that's definitely possible. I'm no expert about the music business, and you're right that there are myriad other factors involved. Where I disagree is that a lot of the stuff today doesn't have a memorable hook. I'd say that's about all they have, and combined with the other factors you mentioned, it gets them on the charts. Not that it's a bad thing, but I don't think Prince is all that good at writing a pop hook these days. From the lazy hooks of Cinnamon Girl and Forever to the rudimentary R&B of songs like Call My Name, I just don't see much there that would be compelling to any pop music fan regardless of how much any major label were to push it on the masses. In other words, I don't see songs like that possibly charting at any point during Prince's career. I think that both "Black Sweat" and "Love" (which hasn't been released as a single though) would have been major hits if they had been performed by Mr. Timberlake. They would have been smash hits if JT or anyone else had released those songs. I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that | |
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