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Reply #300 posted 01/19/09 5:46am

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Totally agree. First, criticism can be constructive. It suggests adjustments, it helps you grow. Then, even negative criticism still shows an interest in the subject. And the stronger the criticism, the stronger the interest.
As Trick implies, ignorance is the worst. It's the old adage: even bad publicity is publicity.







Trickology said:

Dear Naysayers,Stalkers,Apologists,Lackeys,Groupies,Fammers,Conmen,and cool Orgers,

Any criticism helps Prince. He said "It makes him stronger" in that LA Times article. That right there "Game Over" I don't even need to say anymore. Hence, the criticizers are making him stronger and cheerleading he is immune to & doesn't help him. I would roll my eyes at that n.p.s. (new power shit) He needs the criticism, doubt and hate to energize him. So, why hate on us? If he reads our comments it will help him. That not everyone is a robot and we have feelings and views regarding this? How dare us all! Prince is the same level of critic as any of us, KNOW that.

Not to mention by us talking about the music, it helps promote the music. Because in case you didnt know, we are his street team,mf. Because everybody jetted because a)they werent getting paid b)treated like shit c)drained d) all of the above. Why do you think they stopped his Symbol mansion? Cuz he wasn't going to pay for the construction and those builders & contractors jetted and shut that shit down. Sorry if that pierces your heart and makes you want to collapse in anger,disbelief,denial or a combination of all above. But that's the deal and that's what happened. Wake the f up.

So let me criticize some more. Because we all know he cant stop reading threads about himself. We won't get into his obvious flakiness when it comes to business or when it comes to people getting compensated. None of this would be possible without everyone on the New Power Train running around and getting things done for this artist. Why do you think he is left with like what? One assistant,band and congregation? Anyone? That's what I thought.


The old wisdom is the best. The truth is you start worrying when no one is talking about you. People like Wall help Prince. Bottomline, they help Prince. You chase off the criticizers,analyzers,whiners,complainers, whatever sub-category you want to call them, Prince will lose momentum in a heartbeat. You want us to continue posting our thoughts. It's when we stop, that Prince has to worry. And that is how the world spins. A balance of emotions that creates a rhythm of movement in a forward direction and gets people interested in Prince as a entity.

You have just been educated in Social Engineering/PR 101. This isn't a diss it's a




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Reply #301 posted 01/19/09 5:53am

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I see your point, npggirl, sorry to have made a one-way, extreme reading of your post and implying that you don't value diversity of opinions.
I haven't been following people consistently enough to see if there are some who in every single post make a 100% negative comment - but even if that were the case, I still believe that freedom of speech gives them the right to do so.
As for it being foolish, I'm no one to judge how people spend their time and energies.






npggirl77 said:[quote]

Flo6 said:

Oh, because freedom of expression comes with enforced approval & appreciation?..
Interesting...

I'm sorry, I am not quite following you.
Are you implying that I am wrong in my belief that people that constantly find fault with the newer music should move on?
If so, I will say this. I totally agree that everyones opinion should be valued. No one person has the same taste, and that is fine. No one persons opinion/view is right or wrong However, to me it just seems foolish to continue to listen if nothing is appealing.
To be honest, and I may be totally wrong here...but it almost seems there are a few people here (no, I am not pointing at one in particular) that listen to find fault in the music.
For instance, if I went to puchase a vehicle, and I concluded that there were positive things and negative things about that vehicle, when reviewing I would attempt to list both negatives and positives. If I find NO positives, then I guess I should move on, and not purchase that vehicle.
The above may not be the best analogy, but hopefully it somewhat gets across the point I am attempting to articulate.
But to answer your question, No, I do not think that freedom of expression comes with approval...Of course it doesn't. If it seemed as though my thoughts were implying that I am sorry, because that was not what I am attemtpting to convey.
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Reply #302 posted 01/19/09 6:02am

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i find it funny the comparisons of when doves cry to chocolate box, perhaps there is a similarity in the beat (although to me after 25 years WDC still sounds better).

the lyrics are what gets me. Its like Benjamin button, instead of growing older and maturing he is becoming a child as he gets older. Compare
"how can you just leave me standing alone in a world thats so cold, maybe Im just too demanding maybe Im just like my father too bold, maybe Im just like my mother shes never satisfied"

to

"I got a box of choccies that will knock those socks off any mars bar you choose to kit kat".

I reckon it could have been written by a 4 year old. Maybe thats the market he is after?
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Reply #303 posted 01/19/09 6:10am

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Sdldawn said:

sarkozyiszeman said:



Wall of Berlin is certainly no rubbish. It's a great compo. Amazing guitar work throughout this tune. very weird in the first place but then it grows and grows and grows.


I haven't given that one a proper chance yet.. I am referring to the MPLS stuff..

As soon as I get the real deal, i will check that one out.


The MPLS stuff so far is confused ... well, not great, is it ?
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Reply #304 posted 01/19/09 7:52am

Dave1992

sarkozyiszeman said:

Sdldawn said:



I haven't given that one a proper chance yet.. I am referring to the MPLS stuff..

As soon as I get the real deal, i will check that one out.


The MPLS stuff so far is confused ... well, not great, is it ?


I think it will be something like Newpower Soul, a funky and fun party album with one or two great songs, loved by some, hated by others.

I expect it to be an album I'll have to be in special mood for to really enjoy it. As I said, it's an "electro-fun-jam" album
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Reply #305 posted 01/19/09 9:03am

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sarkozyiszeman said:

Sdldawn said:



I haven't given that one a proper chance yet.. I am referring to the MPLS stuff..

As soon as I get the real deal, i will check that one out.


The MPLS stuff so far is confused ... well, not great, is it ?


Yes it is!

I'm loving the little I've heard so far
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Reply #306 posted 01/19/09 10:37am

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Romeoblu said:

sarkozyiszeman said:



The MPLS stuff so far is confused ... well, not great, is it ?


Yes it is!

I'm loving the little I've heard so far


I'm glad you do and I really hope I'm wrong. Having said I know for ure there is one title I can't bear on it : Another one like me !

I'm sure most of those who will dig MPLS will hate LF and vice versa.
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Reply #307 posted 01/19/09 12:01pm

Sdldawn

sarkozyiszeman said:

Sdldawn said:



I haven't given that one a proper chance yet.. I am referring to the MPLS stuff..

As soon as I get the real deal, i will check that one out.


The MPLS stuff so far is confused ... well, not great, is it ?


I just hope he has a little more experimentation than what i've heard with that MPLS. I'd rather him become more experimental with it than make something that sounds like something he's already recorded in the past
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Reply #308 posted 01/19/09 1:56pm

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Sdldawn said:

sarkozyiszeman said:



The MPLS stuff so far is confused ... well, not great, is it ?


I just hope he has a little more experimentation than what i've heard with that MPLS. I'd rather him become more experimental with it than make something that sounds like something he's already recorded in the past


Exactly. I have no problem whatsoever with an electro funk cd but I would like Prince to let it go (i.e several changes of directions in the same tune, weird sounds, crazy instrumental parts).

But Another like me is such an average tune that I kinda lost faith in this project already.
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Reply #309 posted 01/19/09 2:18pm

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That comment about Prince being like Benjamin Button is hilarious. It's obvious that MPLSOUND is intended to be a fun party album, but the problem is that Prince sounds like a dork when he tries to be cool and hip now. I got a box of chocolate that'll rock the socks of any....ugh, I can't even finish typing it out. It's nonsense, and it's neither stylish or funny. He used to be both.

So far, this song is the lyrical equivalent of My Humps.
The world is a comedy for those who think and a tragedy for those who feel.

"You still wanna take me to prison...just because I won't trade humanity for patriotism."
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Reply #310 posted 01/19/09 2:22pm

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I FUCKING HATE AUTOTUNE.
Keep your headphones on.
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Reply #311 posted 01/19/09 2:51pm

jdcxc

sarkozyiszeman said:

Sdldawn said:



I haven't given that one a proper chance yet.. I am referring to the MPLS stuff..

As soon as I get the real deal, i will check that one out.


The MPLS stuff so far is confused ... well, not great, is it ?


Wall of Berlin is a cool cut.
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Reply #312 posted 01/19/09 3:32pm

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jdcxc said:

sarkozyiszeman said:



The MPLS stuff so far is confused ... well, not great, is it ?


Wall of Berlin is a cool cut.


That will be on Lotus Flower for sure.
The world is a comedy for those who think and a tragedy for those who feel.

"You still wanna take me to prison...just because I won't trade humanity for patriotism."
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Reply #313 posted 01/19/09 3:44pm

jdcxc

PurpleKnight said:

jdcxc said:



Wall of Berlin is a cool cut.


That will be on Lotus Flower for sure.


Yeah. Any idea if there will be a staggered or simultaneous release of both cd's?
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Reply #314 posted 01/19/09 4:20pm

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i find it funny that many have yearned 4 prince 2 get back the sounds of the 80's etc etc..the moment he "does" then it's bitch city up in here falloff

i 4 one am looking 4ward more 2 mplsound than lotus dancing jig
man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81
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Reply #315 posted 01/19/09 4:38pm

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..She's Just A Baby..but she's my lady..my loveR..my only friend!..true love that will last!..PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND..WHAT SHE SEES IN AN OLDER MAN..they never stop 2 think that maybe i'm what she's looking 4..THEY NEVER TAKE THE TIME..2 look in her mind
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Reply #316 posted 01/19/09 8:06pm

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PurpleKnight said:

That comment about Prince being like Benjamin Button is hilarious. It's obvious that MPLSOUND is intended to be a fun party album, but the problem is that Prince sounds like a dork when he tries to be cool and hip now. I got a box of chocolate that'll rock the socks of any....ugh, I can't even finish typing it out. It's nonsense, and it's neither stylish or funny. He used to be both.

So far, this song is the lyrical equivalent of My Humps.


dude is trying to make you dance... thats it. If your head and shoulders and booty don't get moving to the little that you heard of CB... then its pretty safe to say that you don't like dance music. Its about dancing... hes trying to get you move and you know what every single time I hear that song (again what little I've heard) My head gets to bobbing

What I hope he doesn't do (and I think its clear he won't) is put CB on the same album as the guitar jams.

CB is solid IMO... One thing I do agree with is that he seems a bit old to be doing this type of music. He would be better off giving that thing to a Chris Brown or Rhiana.
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Dance... Let me see you dance
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Reply #317 posted 01/19/09 8:10pm

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L4OATheOriginal said:

i find it funny that many have yearned 4 prince 2 get back the sounds of the 80's etc etc..the moment he "does" then it's bitch city up in here falloff

i 4 one am looking 4ward more 2 mplsound than lotus dancing jig


As if Chocolate Box sounds like an outtake from the 80's. With it's juvenile lyrics and Pro Tools plastic sound, Chocolate Box is a blatant rip off of contemporary disposable pop music, it's hardly something that would fit on Dirty Mind or Sign O The Times.

And what's more, nobody is asking Prince to return to a dated sound. That only produces sentimental rubbish.
No hard feelings.
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Reply #318 posted 01/19/09 8:11pm

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Wall said:

L4OATheOriginal said:

i find it funny that many have yearned 4 prince 2 get back the sounds of the 80's etc etc..the moment he "does" then it's bitch city up in here falloff

i 4 one am looking 4ward more 2 mplsound than lotus dancing jig


As if Chocolate Box sounds like an outtake from the 80's. With it's juvenile lyrics and Pro Tools plastic sound, Chocolate Box is a blatant rip off of contemporary disposable pop music, it's hardly something that would fit on Dirty Mind or Sign O The Times.

And what's more, nobody is asking Prince to return to a dated sound. That only produces sentimental rubbish.


still at huh Wall? Poor sad Prince fan... no fury like a woman scorned
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Reply #319 posted 01/19/09 8:22pm

Sdldawn

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PurpleKnight said:



That will be on Lotus Flower for sure.


Yeah. Any idea if there will be a staggered or simultaneous release of both cd's?


it would be wise to go ahead and release them when everyone is interested. i think.
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Reply #320 posted 01/19/09 8:36pm

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NouveauDance said:

Number23 said:

I remember a record producer telling me once that 'a great song is a great song - whether it's recorded in Peter Gabriel's space station (the one which orbits the Earth in relation to the bpm of whatever's being recorded at the time) or an outdoor toilet in a Glasgow tenement block.

I've taken a slight artistic licence with his exact words in an attempt at portraying an objective clarity for a worldwide audience of Prince obsessives, but what he meant was that no amount of polish can shine a reflective surface on excrement.

From Boris to Wall, Bart to Greycap, we all know why we're here. My perspective is that Prince Nelson is among the rare species of human being some pedant had to conjure the term 'genius' to label in the first place.We're attracted to the sheer alieness of this oddity, this freak, who got under all our skins - despite the continual damning evidence that he was deeply uncomfortable in his own.

Now, Chocolate Box. I got a box of chocolates that'll rock the socks of any girl. Jesus wanking vigourously into a baby's pram, I thought, that's a dismal lyrical hook. Musically, that electro-harmonic layered three-part voice chorus that he mastered in 1996 now sounds like a pterodactyl's squaks must have sounded like to a caveman.
The mannered 'young, energetic' voice he squeezes out, the rhythmic pants (which someone crueller than me might insinuate sound like exhaustion rather than lust), the simplistic electric guitar hook, ok, etc, you get the picture. I was underwhelmed. It reminded me of that 'Are We Livimg To Die' outtake. I didn't like that either. I thought it was shit. Lazy shit from a bored genius.

However. fifteen or so listens later (I know they shit starts tasting good if it's all you have to eat) but I think I now get it. of course, I'm still not too fond of the cheesetastical vocal intro - but the stuttery colours and robotic energy do capture the bouncy electro fizz of modern pop very well - and I'm not adverse to sweet junk food at all - as long as I get my norishment from the main course, that being Lotus Flower. Hopefully. Please. Please.

Is it a meal? MPLSsound as tangy appetiser, Lotus Flower as rich main course and Exiler as choclately, rich dessert? Probably not. But my point (not that I believe in points or all-encompassing summations of perspective reality) is that I'm quite looking forward to hearing the full song before I make up my mind.

However.

Quoted because it's most likely the best post in the entire thread.


I agree
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Reply #321 posted 01/19/09 8:42pm

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PurpleKnight said:

That comment about Prince being like Benjamin Button is hilarious. It's obvious that MPLSOUND is intended to be a fun party album, but the problem is that Prince sounds like a dork when he tries to be cool and hip now. I got a box of chocolate that'll rock the socks of any....ugh, I can't even finish typing it out. It's nonsense, and it's neither stylish or funny. He used to be both.

So far, this song is the lyrical equivalent of My Humps.


or U Got the Look? Or any number of booty shaking songs this dude has come up with over the last 30 years.
Dance... Let me see you dance
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Reply #322 posted 01/19/09 9:05pm

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Alexandernvrmind said:

PurpleKnight said:

That comment about Prince being like Benjamin Button is hilarious. It's obvious that MPLSOUND is intended to be a fun party album, but the problem is that Prince sounds like a dork when he tries to be cool and hip now. I got a box of chocolate that'll rock the socks of any....ugh, I can't even finish typing it out. It's nonsense, and it's neither stylish or funny. He used to be both.

So far, this song is the lyrical equivalent of My Humps.


or U Got the Look? Or any number of booty shaking songs this dude has come up with over the last 30 years.


Well, first of all, that was way back in 1987. You wouldn't think he'd be writing material of equivalent depth 22 years later. Also, you would be hard pressed to find a song that sounds more juvenile than this one so far. U Got the Look, while having somewhat silly lyrics for the chorus, begins with something infinitely more interesting than the opening lines of Chocolate Box.

It's a myth that a song has to be stupid just because it's intended to make you dance.
The world is a comedy for those who think and a tragedy for those who feel.

"You still wanna take me to prison...just because I won't trade humanity for patriotism."
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Reply #323 posted 01/19/09 10:54pm

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...every song prince does has a story behind them...each 1 has its own time...in each 1 there is a language he sends out...example:'violet the organ grinder'...prince says HE WON'T GO AWAY!..prince is taking me back 2 the prince-era...the beats will b here soon..and we will see where it will take us!...it will b the ANSWER..2 the question of u question....
..mzsexybaby exclaim
..She's Just A Baby..but she's my lady..my loveR..my only friend!..true love that will last!..PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND..WHAT SHE SEES IN AN OLDER MAN..they never stop 2 think that maybe i'm what she's looking 4..THEY NEVER TAKE THE TIME..2 look in her mind
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Reply #324 posted 01/19/09 11:15pm

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I really hate Chocolate Box (this is the first Prince song I think I never want to hear again) I just heard it for the first time at work and was embarrassed that someone could hear that I was listening to it, crap intro, crap autotune, ok beat WOEFUL lyrics... it really sounded like something the backstreet boys would do - a bad pop filler song on a bad pop album.
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Reply #325 posted 01/20/09 4:43am

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i think this song would be appealing to girls who like bravado and sex
more than intelligence and genuine caring.
as a grown woman i think i'll pass on this one.
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Reply #326 posted 01/20/09 7:45am

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PurpleKnight said:

That comment about Prince being like Benjamin Button is hilarious. It's obvious that MPLSOUND is intended to be a fun party album, but the problem is that Prince sounds like a dork when he tries to be cool and hip now. I got a box of chocolate that'll rock the socks of any....ugh, I can't even finish typing it out. It's nonsense, and it's neither stylish or funny. He used to be both.

So far, this song is the lyrical equivalent of My Humps.


Which was extremely popular with a large portion of music consumers for some reason. And that's the problem. He's trying to appeal to those folks who liked songs of that nature. I think that if the general public didn't embrace such blantatly dumb-ass lyrics there wouldn't be so many artists to try and duplicate it.
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Reply #327 posted 01/20/09 7:58am

npggirl77

Ifsixwuz9 said:

PurpleKnight said:

That comment about Prince being like Benjamin Button is hilarious. It's obvious that MPLSOUND is intended to be a fun party album, but the problem is that Prince sounds like a dork when he tries to be cool and hip now. I got a box of chocolate that'll rock the socks of any....ugh, I can't even finish typing it out. It's nonsense, and it's neither stylish or funny. He used to be both.

So far, this song is the lyrical equivalent of My Humps.


Which was extremely popular with a large portion of music consumers for some reason. And that's the problem. He's trying to appeal to those folks who liked songs of that nature. I think that if the general public didn't embrace such blantatly dumb-ass lyrics there wouldn't be so many artists to try and duplicate it.

And that is just it. That is what is appealing to a lot of the public. I will admit, when My Humps came out, I loved it. I am 31 years old, but really thought the song was fun.
People appreciate MANY kinds of music for MANY different reasons.
Even though, "My Humps" or "Chocolate Box" may be looked at as being "Not real Music"....to some, it is music...It is fun/quirky/up-beat/silly and so on.
Some here think it is shit. They think it is the epidemy of music.
But there will be others that appreciate it for reasons beyond.
If this lil pop fetish is what is appealing, selling, and so forth, then that is likely the reason Prince is putting out some tunes in that fashion.
Because there ARE tons of ppl out here and like that sort of quirky/fun loving lyrics.
It is ALL good, either way! No one is every going to perfectly agree...
Music, is MUSIC!
-you ain't funky at all, you just a little ol' prude!
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Reply #328 posted 01/20/09 8:29am

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npggirl77 said:

Ifsixwuz9 said:



Which was extremely popular with a large portion of music consumers for some reason. And that's the problem. He's trying to appeal to those folks who liked songs of that nature. I think that if the general public didn't embrace such blantatly dumb-ass lyrics there wouldn't be so many artists to try and duplicate it.

And that is just it. That is what is appealing to a lot of the public. I will admit, when My Humps came out, I loved it. I am 31 years old, but really thought the song was fun.
People appreciate MANY kinds of music for MANY different reasons.
Even though, "My Humps" or "Chocolate Box" may be looked at as being "Not real Music"....to some, it is music...It is fun/quirky/up-beat/silly and so on.
Some here think it is shit. They think it is the epidemy of music.
But there will be others that appreciate it for reasons beyond.
If this lil pop fetish is what is appealing, selling, and so forth, then that is likely the reason Prince is putting out some tunes in that fashion.
Because there ARE tons of ppl out here and like that sort of quirky/fun loving lyrics.
It is ALL good, either way! No one is every going to perfectly agree...
Music, is MUSIC!


But that's what depressing to some and why the music industry is in the crapper right now as far as lyrical artistry. I'm all for fun songs but the trend for the last 10 years is not being creative and different or offering variety but reproduce the same crap over and over and over.

I'm a decade older than you so I remember the days of "Disco Duck". Imagine if this type of "fun" song was done over and over and over by really popular artists for 10 years.
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Reply #329 posted 01/20/09 8:37am

npggirl77

Ifsixwuz9 said:

npggirl77 said:


And that is just it. That is what is appealing to a lot of the public. I will admit, when My Humps came out, I loved it. I am 31 years old, but really thought the song was fun.
People appreciate MANY kinds of music for MANY different reasons.
Even though, "My Humps" or "Chocolate Box" may be looked at as being "Not real Music"....to some, it is music...It is fun/quirky/up-beat/silly and so on.
Some here think it is shit. They think it is the epidemy of music.
But there will be others that appreciate it for reasons beyond.
If this lil pop fetish is what is appealing, selling, and so forth, then that is likely the reason Prince is putting out some tunes in that fashion.
Because there ARE tons of ppl out here and like that sort of quirky/fun loving lyrics.
It is ALL good, either way! No one is every going to perfectly agree...
Music, is MUSIC!


But that's what depressing to some and why the music industry is in the crapper right now as far as lyrical artistry. I'm all for fun songs but the trend for the last 10 years is not being creative and different or offering variety but reproduce the same crap over and over and over.

I'm a decade older than you so I remember the days of "Disco Duck". Imagine if this type of "fun" song was done over and over and over by really popular artists for 10 years.

Totally feel what you are saying.
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