Giovanni777 said:

That's no lie.

Just another day on the org. You're cool too man!

Oh, because freedom of expression comes with enforced approval & appreciation?..
Interesting...

npggirl77 said:

On all the talks about Prince's lyrics not reflecting his age and the realities of his times & conditions: I see the beauty of creative expression as being precisely free of these constraints, there are no rules, art/creative production doesn't have to represent reality/real life. Anybody having a hard time grasping these concepts should take an art history course.
Likewise, art doesn't have to be real-life, credible/plausible. That's the whole point! In an artistic creation, one can be/sing like if one was 20, younger, or make the sounds one imagines an unborn fetus makes. There are no rules.

I see Prince's songs very much like a Dali painting. Just look at one: every element in it defies reality, gravity, the rules of logic and common sense. It questions things, takes them out of context, replaces them in another, creates new worlds and realities.

So let P sing about whatever his imagination tells him - that's the essence of creative expression imo.

Giovanni777 said:

Ok, you're absolutely correct.

npggirl77 said:

It's called the "Bart van Hemelen" syndrome.

I think the song has potential. There's a playfulness to it that has been lacking in his recorded output for years.

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Flo6 said:

I'm sorry, I am not quite following you.
Are you implying that I am wrong in my belief that people that constantly find fault with the newer music should move on?
If so, I will say this. I totally agree that everyones opinion should be valued. No one person has the same taste, and that is fine. No one persons opinion/view is right or wrong However, to me it just seems foolish to continue to listen if nothing is appealing.
To be honest, and I may be totally wrong here...but it almost seems there are a few people here (no, I am not pointing at one in particular) that listen to find fault in the music.
For instance, if I went to puchase a vehicle, and I concluded that there were positive things and negative things about that vehicle, when reviewing I would attempt to list both negatives and positives. If I find NO positives, then I guess I should move on, and not purchase that vehicle.
The above may not be the best analogy, but hopefully it somewhat gets across the point I am attempting to articulate.
But to answer your question, No, I do not think that freedom of expression comes with approval...Of course it doesn't. If it seemed as though my thoughts were implying that I am sorry, because that was not what I am attemtpting to convey.

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Obviously, if you buy the 3-cd set it will be called the chocolate box..lol

2freaky4church1 said:

Or maybe the CD's will come with a box of Chocolates! It'll be full of Milky Way's and Nestle's Crunch's and Twix's, 3 Muskateers and Hershey bars. Damn that sounds good right about now!

purplecam said:

Ummm, YUM! I am digging that. *chuckles*
Still digging the song. Listened to the clip several times, and it ust sounds as though Prince is being playful and upbeat.

I remember a record producer telling me once that 'a great song is a great song - whether it's recorded in Peter Gabriel's space station (the one which orbits the Earth in relation to the bpm of whatever's being recorded at the time) or an outdoor toilet in a Glasgow tenement block.

I've taken a slight artistic licence with his exact words in an attempt at portraying an objective clarity for a worldwide audience of Prince obsessives, but what he meant was that no amount of polish can shine a reflective surface on excrement.

From Boris to Wall, Bart to Greycap, we all know why we're here. My perspective is that Prince Nelson is among the rare species of human being some pedant had to conjure the term 'genius' to label in the first place.We're attracted to the sheer alieness of this oddity, this freak, who got under all our skins - despite the continual damning evidence that he was deeply uncomfortable in his own.

Now, Chocolate Box. I got a box of chocolates that'll rock the socks of any girl. Jesus wanking vigourously into a baby's pram, I thought, that's a dismal lyrical hook. Musically, that electro-harmonic layered three-part voice chorus that he mastered in 1996 now sounds like a pterodactyl's squaks must have sounded like to a caveman.
The mannered 'young, energetic' voice he squeezes out, the rhythmic pants (which someone crueller than me might insinuate sound like exhaustion rather than lust), the simplistic electric guitar hook, ok, etc, you get the picture. I was underwhelmed. It reminded me of that 'Are We Livimg To Die' outtake. I didn't like that either. I thought it was shit. Lazy shit from a bored genius.

However. fifteen or so listens later (I know they shit starts tasting good if it's all you have to eat) but I think I now get it. of course, I'm still not too fond of the cheesetastical vocal intro - but the stuttery colours and robotic energy do capture the bouncy electro fizz of modern pop very well - and I'm not adverse to sweet junk food at all - as long as I get my norishment from the main course, that being Lotus Flower. Hopefully. Please. Please.

Is it a meal? MPLSsound as tangy appetiser, Lotus Flower as rich main course and Exiler as choclately, rich dessert? Probably not. But my point (not that I believe in points or all-encompassing summations of perspective reality) is that I'm quite looking forward to hearing the full song before I make up my mind.

However.

Jesus doesn't wank.

2freaky4church1 said:

purplecam said:

I like how you think.

realm said:

Maybe Wall is actually Bart's alter account.

Number23 said:

Quoted because it's most likely the best post in the entire thread.

Ugot2shakesumthin said:

I don't think it's a matter of belonging, I think people are questioning the extemes. If every single comment without exception is critical then people wonder what's going on. Drooling and fawning without exception is an extreme too.

For the record I don't like the sample I heard but when it gets to the point where I don't care for anything Prince releases I'm sure I'll find something else to do, but that's just me.

Number23 said:

I kinda like this post...I'm not at all sure why.

purplecam said:

Hey. We just got off our respective treadmills. Why did you have to go and mention chocolate? We have to look good this summer. I hope his next release is low calorie full of pumping music we can workout to. Ain't no one going to mess with us my friend.

Wall said:

Etherquote of this whole damn thread. Prince can sit there and let that one quote marinate in his mind. The truth hurts.






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Dear Naysayers,Stalkers,Apologists,Lackeys,Groupies,Fammers,Conmen,and cool Orgers,

Any criticism helps Prince. He said "It makes him stronger" in that LA Times article. That right there "Game Over" I don't even need to say anymore. Hence, the criticizers are making him stronger and cheerleading he is immune to & doesn't help him. I would roll my eyes at that n.p.s. (new power shit) He needs the criticism, doubt and hate to energize him. So, why hate on us? If he reads our comments it will help him. That not everyone is a robot and we have feelings and views regarding this? How dare us all! Prince is the same level of critic as any of us, KNOW that.

Not to mention by us talking about the music, it helps promote the music. Because in case you didnt know, we are his street team,mf. Because everybody jetted because a)they werent getting paid b)treated like shit c)drained d) all of the above. Why do you think they stopped his Symbol mansion? Cuz he wasn't going to pay for the construction and those builders & contractors jetted and shut that shit down. Sorry if that pierces your heart and makes you want to collapse in anger,disbelief,denial or a combination of all above. But that's the deal and that's what happened. Wake the f up.

So let me criticize some more. Because we all know he cant stop reading threads about himself. We won't get into his obvious flakiness when it comes to business or when it comes to people getting compensated. None of this would be possible without everyone on the New Power Train running around and getting things done for this artist. Why do you think he is left with like what? One assistant,band and congregation? Anyone? That's what I thought.


The old wisdom is the best. The truth is you start worrying when no one is talking about you. People like Wall help Prince. Bottomline, they help Prince. You chase off the criticizers,analyzers,whiners,complainers, whatever sub-category you want to call them, Prince will lose momentum in a heartbeat. You want us to continue posting our thoughts. It's when we stop, that Prince has to worry. And that is how the world spins. A balance of emotions that creates a rhythm of movement in a forward direction and gets people interested in Prince as a entity.

You have just been educated in Social Engineering/PR 101. This isn't a diss it's a




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Number23 said:

As moronic as the opening chant is, the opening lines are worse: "So what's the deal, I keep it real, do you wanna get funky with me?" I'm paraphrasing, but that's basically what he says and I'm embarrassed for him just having to type it out. It's a rapid fire shot of contemporary pop platitudes that sound like they're fresh from a Teenage Musical outtake. And when wasn't a song like this anything but a slice of fluff served up for teenage girls and dimwitted consumers? This song should be drawn and quartered and never spoken of again. And there's no point in hearing the rest of it. Sure, maybe theyre's a servicable little break, but how many times do you think he chants that pathetic opening come on? And just listen to the opening lines as they trail off, it's nothing but more cliches, delivered with all the panache of the bastard child of Britney Spears and Justin Timberlake.

it definently leaves me wanting more.

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Trickology said:

Cliff-notes please.

This song concerns me..Please do not lose your spiritual perspective Prince

Hell, Colonized Mind is one the best songs he has released in years as far as i'm concerned..

Crimson is nice, but it's still a cover.

the rest so far is rubbish..

colonized is it.

Sdldawn said:

Wall of Berlin is certainly no rubbish. It's a great compo. Amazing guitar work throughout this tune. very weird in the first place but then it grows and grows and grows.

sarkozyiszeman said:

I haven't given that one a proper chance yet.. I am referring to the MPLS stuff..

As soon as I get the real deal, i will check that one out.

NouveauDance said: