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PrintableGaryMF said: vainandy said: Strip all his instruments off the songs and get one of those weak shit hop sounding drum machines that barely tap for the entire foundation of a song. If he feels he absolutely needs something else on the song, get someone else's old slow jam, slow it down even more, and sample it over the drum machine. Never go past midtempo, never sing in falsetto, release the songs under a fake name, and don't let the public see who recorded the song because if he does, these little brats will say...."Ewwww, a fag".
If he does all those things he will have a major hit. I know what you're saying; I hate what qualifies as "Music" these days. I realize I titled this thread poorly. I really meant that he could become innovative--and popular--again if he took out the old Linn and experimented with it like he used to (not just throw in the detuned sidestick once in a while like on the new song). The irony is that When Doves Cry was basically a drum machine track with sparse instrumentation, but it was brilliant and innovative and pushed new ground. Unlike what producers are doing today despite the fact they are all drum machine based. It's not the machine that's problem, it's who's operating it. That's why I'm not mad if Prince doesn't release anymore groundbreaking stuff. I never looked for Prince to do any of that stuff in the first place. So many other artists are doing different things with these machines, it would be hard for Prince to look like anything else but a "follower". I just want some good music that I can jam to now and 10-20 years from now. Just my 2 cents. I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that | |
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purplecam said: GaryMF said: I know what you're saying; I hate what qualifies as "Music" these days. I realize I titled this thread poorly. I really meant that he could become innovative--and popular--again if he took out the old Linn and experimented with it like he used to (not just throw in the detuned sidestick once in a while like on the new song). The irony is that When Doves Cry was basically a drum machine track with sparse instrumentation, but it was brilliant and innovative and pushed new ground. Unlike what producers are doing today despite the fact they are all drum machine based. It's not the machine that's problem, it's who's operating it. That's why I'm not mad if Prince doesn't release anymore groundbreaking stuff. I never looked for Prince to do any of that stuff in the first place. So many other artists are doing different things with these machines, it would be hard for Prince to look like anything else but a "follower". I just want some good music that I can jam to now and 10-20 years from now. Just my 2 cents. Just to clarify my point. I don't think ANY of these "aritsts" today are doing anything new or interesting with drum maachines. Quite the contrary. THey just sample and hit some pads on an MPC. Prince really was the only one who innovated and played the drum machine like a true instrument (well... Jimmy Jam too but in a different way).  |
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rudeboynpg said: My suggestion to get back on the charts is simple: go back to the sound and look of the Purple Rain era.
Even though Prince has turned his back on the Purple Rain era, I have to agree. The only way he could top the charts again is to have a style similiar to Purple Rain, which is really mainstream, unlike his more recent work. But it appears that he does not care to be on the charts at all (his music certainly reflects that). | |
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P getting back in the charts is really not up to him. That's up to the music/radio industry heads. Are they willing to promote and play his new music? I doubt it.
At this point, a lot of the "Purple Rainers" who were kids back then are now parents w/ their own kids. Unless it's specialized or sattelite radio, the new generation of kids today probably don't want to hear P. And to the industry heads of today, I'm sure they look at P as a artist of the past. | |
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My suggestion: WITH THE exception of a few (beyonce,kings of leon...well in the UK i dont know how us is treatin them) see that bubblegum hip pop NONE sense thats spreadin like an epidemic into good r&b that is ''in the charts''..P do the opposite | |
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Prince's problems are not ones that can simply be fixed with a drum machine.  “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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Long live the Linn LM-1 drum machine !!
Now I know what it is that caused all that great music I can sleep at night! Lol...  Shut up already, damn. | |
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Prince doesn't need Charts LMAO!
Why do ppl create these stupid threads! He's been there and done that!!! So why should you be worried about his chart action if he isn't??? | |
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mzkqueen03 said: ...prince's production has ALWAYS had it's own style..and it has been up-2-date in my
 ...prince has  ..at this point it is him wanting 2 share...he wrote funk :music:machine at 7yrs old!...how many of us will eva get 2 hear THAT song?!...right this min...things are changing...mzsexybaby  Yeah no one is like Prince. Still I also believe he still can take things to another level and still explore and cover brand new ground - experimental sounds - that no one else has ever touched. This is what most people love about him, you do not know what to expect. I believe in time he will record very experimental sounds that prolly the hardcore fans love but not the general population. Hit music is often becomes a mold that the radio/record co's/vh1/mtv create. And obviously that mold doesn't always = great music. The Linn LM-1 drum machine is cool but really Prince started using that sound first and then everyone over time did the same thing. I believe he is searching and will find sounds outside of this world and record in new ways in the future. Well one never really knows but I do believe. I believe in P.. | |
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Like people have said 'I'm not sure if he could heavily chart again' is valid.
For me...I would like him to shake it up style wise in the production department It's has great quality, but there has been very little change in years  | |
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produe a male funk and rock band dammit!!!! 
shit even timbaland got new republic or whatevadafuck they called sp [Edited 1/16/09 16:23pm] | |
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GaryMF said: vainandy said: Strip all his instruments off the songs and get one of those weak shit hop sounding drum machines that barely tap for the entire foundation of a song. If he feels he absolutely needs something else on the song, get someone else's old slow jam, slow it down even more, and sample it over the drum machine. Never go past midtempo, never sing in falsetto, release the songs under a fake name, and don't let the public see who recorded the song because if he does, these little brats will say...."Ewwww, a fag".
If he does all those things he will have a major hit. I know what you're saying; I hate what qualifies as "Music" these days. I realize I titled this thread poorly. I really meant that he could become innovative--and popular--again if he took out the old Linn and experimented with it like he used to (not just throw in the detuned sidestick once in a while like on the new song). The irony is that When Doves Cry was basically a drum machine track with sparse instrumentation, but it was brilliant and innovative and pushed new ground. Unlike what producers are doing today despite the fact they are all drum machine based. It's not the machine that's problem, it's who's operating it. Dude seriously ... that was 25 years ago. And Prince himself was 25 years old and just making a name for himself. You really can't mean to compare something that happened a generation ago with what's happening today. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Create great music. Period.
Every other suggestion is just BS. If you like what he’s done the last 25 years, good for you, you are a minority, like the anchovies pizza lovers. Nothing wrong with it, but your taste is in what’s good is in the minority. | |
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whats with all the drum machine hatred? Prince made it okay 2 use one and still have musical credibility
most rap sucks. the MPC does not You're so glam, every time I see you I wanna slam! | |
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cherrymoongirl said: SPOOKYGAS said: Cause he is all over the charts, right? Well, at least he's relevant. To who and in what sense? |
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Ifsixwuz9 said: GaryMF said: I know what you're saying; I hate what qualifies as "Music" these days. I realize I titled this thread poorly. I really meant that he could become innovative--and popular--again if he took out the old Linn and experimented with it like he used to (not just throw in the detuned sidestick once in a while like on the new song). The irony is that When Doves Cry was basically a drum machine track with sparse instrumentation, but it was brilliant and innovative and pushed new ground. Unlike what producers are doing today despite the fact they are all drum machine based. It's not the machine that's problem, it's who's operating it. Dude seriously ... that was 25 years ago. And Prince himself was 25 years old and just making a name for himself. You really can't mean to compare something that happened a generation ago with what's happening today. So what's your point? He can't be innovative anymore because it's 25 years later? It might be true, but that's a sad/pessimistic way to look at it. |
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DesireeNevermind said: produe a male funk and rock band dammit!!!!
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toejam said: I posted this in another thread, but it's just as relevant here:
Having a "hit" these days (in the 'Top 20' sense of the word) is 90% promotion/marketing and 10% craft. You also have to appeal to as broader market as possible - in particular, the 13-25 'young adult' age group. Prince definately has the talent and the craft to do so, but not the, or the hunger for, the other 90% required. Can you really foresee a 50 year old Jehovah's Witness, with no major-label backing, who has a history of 'odd' behaviour*, and who half the population thinks is gay, maintaining consistent and lengthy sales from today's teenagers? Believe me, it would be funking AWESOME if it happened, but it just ain't gonna happen no matter how good the song is. *name change to an unpronounceable symbol, writing 'slave' on his face at high profile events etc. it worked for bowie,cher and tina turner | |
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...at this point prince doesn't have 2 prove anything anymore...who cares about the charts...we made the charts..we decide..so if we..that love prince..don't care if he don't..then what is the point?...prince in my life is all i care about...mzsexybaby ..She's Just A Baby..but she's my lady..my loveR..my only friend!..true love that will last!..PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND..WHAT SHE SEES IN AN OLDER MAN..they never stop 2 think that maybe i'm what she's looking 4..THEY NEVER TAKE THE TIME..2 look in her mind | |
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Easy ....cause a major fuss...get people pulling their hair out and dancing to a tune when they have said for years they hate Prince.....the simple answer get Prince to do a track with Kanye West....omg....the media panic...the outrage at the org...the fury...on the radio....man it sell millions ..and be very good!  Da, Da, Da....Emancipation....Free..don't think I ain't..! London 21 Nights...Clap your hands...you know the rest..
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GaryMF said: Ifsixwuz9 said: Dude seriously ... that was 25 years ago. And Prince himself was 25 years old and just making a name for himself. You really can't mean to compare something that happened a generation ago with what's happening today. So what's your point? He can't be innovative anymore because it's 25 years later? It might be true, but that's a sad/pessimistic way to look at it. Being innovative does not put anyone on the charts these days. that's the reality of the music industry as we speak. I always look forward to hoping new music from Prince would sound good to me, but I'm over the past and don't care whether he makes the charts again. If it happens I'll be happy for him, but I just don't feel he has anything to prove anymore. He's done his time and paid his dues with a 30 year career. It's time for the record companies and these new jacks to step to the plate and bring something new, why should that be Prince's burden anymore? The funny thing is, I listen to alot of indie artists that are doing great innovative music, but no label is interested in them and they will never make mainstream radio, never make the charts. [Edited 1/17/09 7:49am] | |
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I now realize I should've used a different subject line for this thread.
I was really more interested in him bringing out the Linn and the Oberheims to inspire him to make great music again, which in turn, I hope, would be popular and get him on the charts. The charts were not necessarily my goal, rather a nice byproduct. I mean, I would like to turn on the radio and hear great Prince music rather than the crap that passes for "music" today. 
But I'm more interested in buying a new Prince album that I will love and enjoy, and one I will listen to for years to come. Unfortunately, that hasn't happened in a long time (sorry but Musicology is gathering dust and I never get enough interest to actually buy PE or 3121). The nice thing is, I made this post before going over to the Lotusflow3r website. I see he is experimenting and there do seem to be some interesting coming out this year. So maybe I was just a minute late in my post!
Though on the post about the new songs, someone pointed out that from the snippets, it sounds like he is sampling the Linn rather than actually bringing it out again, but at least he's doing something new with ProTools and let's hope the finished product will knock our socks off. |
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Prince is breathing and aging like fine wine.
2 those of us that have good taste.  "The Lion Sleeps Tonight... | |
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GaryMF said: Ifsixwuz9 said: Dude seriously ... that was 25 years ago. And Prince himself was 25 years old and just making a name for himself. You really can't mean to compare something that happened a generation ago with what's happening today. So what's your point? He can't be innovative anymore because it's 25 years later? It might be true, but that's a sad/pessimistic way to look at it. No I'm just saying that to compare the music he was creating 25 years ago as a up-and coming artist to what he's been doing for the last 15 or so years is a little short sighted. Back then he had something to prove. Well, he's achieved success in his chosen field of work. Big success. Nothing else to prove. Can he still come up with good music? My opinion is yes but that doesn't mean it's going to be ground-breaking or innovative or chart-topping. Just because music isn't a hit or played endlessly on the radio doesn't mean it's not good. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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wonder505 said: GaryMF said: So what's your point? He can't be innovative anymore because it's 25 years later? It might be true, but that's a sad/pessimistic way to look at it. Being innovative does not put anyone on the charts these days. that's the reality of the music industry as we speak. I always look forward to hoping new music from Prince would sound good to me, but I'm over the past and don't care whether he makes the charts again. If it happens I'll be happy for him, but I just don't feel he has anything to prove anymore. He's done his time and paid his dues with a 30 year career. It's time for the record companies and these new jacks to step to the plate and bring something new, why should that be Prince's burden anymore? The funny thing is, I listen to alot of indie artists that are doing great innovative music, but no label is interested in them and they will never make mainstream radio, never make the charts. [Edited 1/17/09 7:49am] Damn I should have kept reading. I just posted about the same thing you did. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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'Suggestion to get Prince back in the charts:'
Please, let’s not encourage getting his latest work into the mainstream, let’s let it stay obscure and hopefully forgotten, for the love of Christ! [Edited 1/17/09 18:59pm] | |
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Why not? with Chocolate box  Forever in my life... | |
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Is Prince even really bothered with getting back on the charts?
At times I'd hear/see who makes the charts and wonder wats really happenin in music nowadays  I swear the words "HATER" is wayyy over-rated...smh | |
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GaryMF said: With all the excitement about new Prince music this year.....
. . combined with (annoying) success in recent years of people copying his classic style (Justin T, Pharell, etc.)..... . . . combined with the fact that "producers" nowadays are basically just guys who know how to work an MPC sampler . . . . Doesn't it seem like it's time P dusted off the old Linn LM-1 drum machine and SHOW THE WORLD HOW IT'S DONE??? The producers of today are making WEAK beats using MPCs, or samples that pale imitations of the classic Prince beats. So now could be the time for Prince to take out the original machine, and do some innovations with it like he used to..... and make it new and fresh again! (the thing is he didn't just use the Linn, he did stuff with it no one expected, ran it through effects, played it backwards etc.) Think of When Doves Cry. The whole song is basically a complex, intricate Linn pattern with a killer guitar part (and a few spare synth hits). ANd no . . . this doesn't mean it will be an 80's rehash...cuz he make it new and different as he's always done. While he's at it, he could bring out the Oberheims too..... but one thing at a time!!! You still bothered with "charts"? | |
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DetroitMusic said: Prince doesn't need Charts LMAO!
Why do ppl create these stupid threads! He's been there and done that!!! So why should you be worried about his chart action if he isn't??? Exactly! He will always be in my heart.  [Edited 1/18/09 10:15am] | |
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