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PrintableIt is very interesting that W&L help Prince write the best music of his life but W&L on their own can't crack the Billboard top 500. | |
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L4OATheOriginal said: GaryMF said: No, what you should do is go back and learn to read. I clearly stated multiple times Prince has had hits without W&L before and after the PR era. That doesnt' negate that fact that some of his biggest hits were still with them. the majority of parade is credited 2 prince and the revolution but the FACT is they hardly played on ANY of the albums ..so just because u read a liner note doesn't make it FACT! hell next ur gonna tell me that's really mico playing on the family album 
and prince's biggest hit of all time is when doves cry, it stayed at the no 1 position 4 24 weeks ..purple rain the song NEVER made it 2 number one on the charts [Edited 1/12/09 11:46am] Some of my fav tracks back then had no w&L involvment : WDC Tambourine Condition of the Heart | |
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sarkozyiszeman said: GaryMF said: Clearly you are. You keep reacting as though I have stated that P is nothing without W&L, yet all I have stated are the FACTS that Prince/W&L compositions represent his biggest hits. Your inability to aknowledge this fact without automatically going into defense mode, refusing to accept that anyone could have possibly influenced or collaobrated with Prince, and over-reating is basic "Fam" behavior. Perhaps it's also your basic logic skills in addition to reading comprehension that need work. For example, the following statements are NOT mutually exclusive: 1. Prince is a musical genius 2. Prince has written great songs on his own pre W&L and post W&L. Some of these have been successful hits. 3. Prince, W&L have written songs together that achieved great success and are some of his biggest hits. 4. W&L are talented musicians but have not had major pop success as solo artists. Guess what? ALL of the above are true. You don't have to choose one. [Edited 1/12/09 10:44am] Is tehre a stereotype of my fellow countrymen ? Is there ? So what is it then ? Show how ignorant you are. It is so funny. Do you want to know how much loved americans are in numerous parts of the world after several years of an useless atrocious war and 8 years of one of the most retarded prick President the world has ever known ? Do you want to go into the stupid american stereotypes as well ? Fat, stupid, ignorant, loud, selfish, self-centered, cynical. Il me semble comprendre que tu maîtrises le français ; je serais donc ravi de te voir formuler une phrase, une seule phrase dans un français impeccable, sans erreur syntaxique, sans vocabulaire non approprié, sans erreur sur les genres (mission quasi impossible pour la plupart des anglosaxons). Ah mais j'oubliais, trou du cul de mes deux, tu me racontais des histoires ! Pars en paix, enfant de l'arc-en-ciel, j'aurais trop peur de te brusquer et de réveiller le faible qui sommeille en toi. Dude, now you are just insane. You're bringing up lots of irrelevant shit. My point is you're being very arrogant which only helps promote a negative stereotype of French people being arrogant. I don't believe my comments have done anything to promote that negative stereotype of Americans being fat, stupid, ignorant etc. As I said before, I am no longer fluent in French, so I'll tell you that I only understood the 1st 50-60% of your comments but I believe you are challenging me to come up with a perfeclty, grammatically correct sentence in French, which again is irrelevant. You did not actually react to my statements of logic above, so instead you bring up issues of world events and try to impress people with your fluency in French. I hope you are not a lawyer or in any othe profession that requires the skills of logic or ability to debate in a rational manner. ] [Edited 1/12/09 11:52am]  |
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Graycap23 said: It is very interesting that W&L help Prince write the best music of his life but W&L on their own can't crack the Billboard top 500.
You meant top 500000 !  | |
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sarkozyiszeman said: Graycap23 said: It is very interesting that W&L help Prince write the best music of his life but W&L on their own can't crack the Billboard top 500.
You meant top 500000 ! I was being nice..... | |
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Graycap23 said: It is very interesting that W&L help Prince write the best music of his life but W&L on their own can't crack the Billboard top 500.
Actually, that is not true. They did chart according to a quick search at billboard. http://www.billboard.com/...umId=18285 But as I said, I am not a W&L fanatic, and I agree with what I believe is the main point you were trying to make. Namely, that it is interesting W&L were able to help Prince write some of the best music, but I will be the first to admit they never achieved mainstream pop success on their own. Nor did I like their solo work nearly as much as their work with the Revolution. ATTENTION FAMS (of either variety  ) : THe above statement is what's called "rational thinking". IT's something you probably have not seen before on the ORG. |
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My 2 cents about Wendy and Lisa. I believe Prince was the main creative force back then, and sometimes he was inspired by certain W&L ideas (a riff, a groove, or whatever), ok.
I may be wrong, but I think that W&L´s role is special because they seemed to be the only bandmembers that werent acting like hired musicians. It seems they expressed their opinions, and Prince´s standards were probably higher because he knew they wouldnt like. And they probably encouraged his experimentalism more than other bandmembers. But of course, Prince did great stuff before and after them too. |
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gustavo but john blackwell had big inpact on rainbow children album.
his drumming is so distinctive and it gave special aura to it. he even had his input in songwriting. everywhere is written on johns drumming groove. | |
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thebanishedone said: gustavo but john blackwell had big inpact on rainbow children album.
his drumming is so distinctive and it gave special aura to it. he even had his input in songwriting. everywhere is written on johns drumming groove. +1 In fact John Blackwell has had an amazing postive influence on Prince. Listening to TRC, it gives you the feeling that Prince composed this cd " around " JB's way of playing drums. A tune like Everywhere is the perfect example. | |
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GustavoRibas said: My 2 cents about Wendy and Lisa. I believe Prince was the main creative force back then, and sometimes he was inspired by certain W&L ideas (a riff, a groove, or whatever), ok.
I may be wrong, but I think that W&L´s role is special because they seemed to be the only bandmembers that werent acting like hired musicians. It seems they expressed their opinions, and Prince´s standards were probably higher because he knew they wouldnt like. And they probably encouraged his experimentalism more than other bandmembers. But of course, Prince did great stuff before and after them too. Very well put. |
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CherrieMoonKisses said: I'd like to be in his new band.
Me 2. Ah, if I could have only one wish...  | |
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XxAxX said: Graycap23 said: I've been pushing 4 Chris Dave on drums.....2 no avail.
AND bob saget on guitar!!!!!@  Lol, He could call his new band "The Aristocrats"! | |
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thebanishedone said: gustavo but john blackwell had big inpact on rainbow children album.
his drumming is so distinctive and it gave special aura to it. he even had his input in songwriting. everywhere is written on johns drumming groove. - Yes, that´s why he is the only ´old´ member I want back. He had a very positive impact on Prince´s music. Personally, my fave is Michael B, but I would only want him back if it was with Sonny and Barb. But I dont live in the past and I want a new band. It would be cool if Prince had a young band with very creative people, like Miles used to have. It would challenge him. |
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GustavoRibas said: thebanishedone said: gustavo but john blackwell had big inpact on rainbow children album.
his drumming is so distinctive and it gave special aura to it. he even had his input in songwriting. everywhere is written on johns drumming groove. - Yes, that´s why he is the only ´old´ member I want back. He had a very positive impact on Prince´s music. Personally, my fave is Michael B, but I would only want him back if it was with Sonny and Barb. But I dont live in the past and I want a new band. It would be cool if Prince had a young band with very creative people, like Miles used to have. It would challenge him. i agree with that maybe good ideal.not saying older people aren't creative. | |
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tangerine7 said: GustavoRibas said: - Yes, that´s why he is the only ´old´ member I want back. He had a very positive impact on Prince´s music. Personally, my fave is Michael B, but I would only want him back if it was with Sonny and Barb. But I dont live in the past and I want a new band. It would be cool if Prince had a young band with very creative people, like Miles used to have. It would challenge him. i agree with that maybe good ideal.not saying older people aren't creative. Besides the energey they would have, it would be worth it for the horseplay and the jokes behind his back to keep him real | |
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thebanishedone said: do you think new band will contain all the new players or he will bring some old friends?
i hope he has a whole new band, and leaves the past in the past. but if he must have some folks from the past, i wouldn't mind sheila e., michael b., and a little of mayte dancing...  but hoping that he will have an all new band, i think it would be cool to have all new inspiration! it really adds to the layers of his sound!!! | |
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kimrachell said: thebanishedone said: do you think new band will contain all the new players or he will bring some old friends?
i hope he has a whole new band, and leaves the past in the past. but if he must have some folks from the past, i wouldn't mind sheila e., michael b., and a little of mayte dancing... but hoping that he will have an all new band, i think it would be cool to have all new inspiration! it really adds to the layers of his sound!!! The rhythm section NEEDS an upgrade. | |
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Graycap23 said: kimrachell said: i hope he has a whole new band, and leaves the past in the past. but if he must have some folks from the past, i wouldn't mind sheila e., michael b., and a little of mayte dancing... but hoping that he will have an all new band, i think it would be cool to have all new inspiration! it really adds to the layers of his sound!!! The rhythm section NEEDS an upgrade. yeah like a bass player than can thump! (sonny t) with a crazy ass mofo (sonny t) a drummer that can make me feel those taps (michael b/john b) man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81 | |
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L4OATheOriginal said: Graycap23 said: The rhythm section NEEDS an upgrade. yeah like a bass player than can thump! (sonny t) with a crazy ass mofo (sonny t) a drummer that can make me feel those taps (michael b/john b) I want Chris Daddy Dave.....the boy can SMOKE those drums. | |
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Graycap23 said: I've been pushing 4 Chris Dave on drums.....2 no avail.
That'd be funky. Change it one more time.. | |
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lezama said: Graycap23 said: I've been pushing 4 Chris Dave on drums.....2 no avail.
That'd be funky. Chris is down. | |
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I am waiting by my video phone.
How could anyone not want the Second Funkiest White Man in America in their new band? | |
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Well, Prince has always wanted his (girlfriends and) band members to be into the same things that he was into. Like, when he became a vegan, everyone around him had to be vegetarians too. 
So now he would probably prefer a band made up of Jehova's Witnesses.
There was Prince And The Revolution, Prince And The New Power Generation... Are you ready for: Prince And The Witnesses?   FREE THE 29 MAY 1993 COME CONFIGURATION!
FREE THE JANUARY 1994 THE GOLD ALBUM CONFIGURATION |
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Graycap23 said: The rhythm section NEEDS an upgrade. - I agree. Josh and Cora CAN play, but I always had the feeling that something was missing. |
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As far as i am concerned, the main thing is Renato Neto to stay in the band.
He's the most skilled musician Prince has ever worked with (i mean, among his band members). [Edited 1/14/09 6:23am] In God we trust. | |
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Aloisio said: As far as i am concerned, the main thing is Renato Neto to stay in the band.
He's the most skilled musician Prince has ever worked with (i mean, among his band members). [Edited 1/14/09 6:23am] yeah he's wonderful! i wouldn't mind if he stayed around. would be cool if he had an all brazilian band! | |
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thebanishedone said: gustavo but john blackwell had big inpact on rainbow children album.
his drumming is so distinctive and it gave special aura to it. he even had his input in songwriting. everywhere is written on johns drumming groove. AMEN! Blackwell is out of this world!!!  "A united state of mind will never be divided
The real definition of unity is 1 People can slam their door, disagree and fight it But how U gonna love the Father but not love the Son? United States of Division"     | |
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GaryMF said: sarkozyiszeman said: The combination of Prince + Sheila E + Miko Weaver or Prince + Michael B and Sonny T or prince + John Blackwell + Renato Neto offered some music as good as anything done with W&L.
Cut the crap please. Their collaboration was great but stop with the myth. Oh really? Name a top 10 song..... damn even a top 40 song he made with Michael, Sonny, John B, Renato??? I'm going by facts dude. "britney spears" grammy winning duo "milli vanilli" i could go on..... "top selling" doesn't always mean the best music | |
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thebanishedone said: do you think new band will contain all the new players or he will bring some old friends?
John Blackwell will be there, I think. You can hear him playing on the new songs. I dig his style. Morris Hayes seems to be in the picture too. | |
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