thebanishedone said:

I think his new band should be made up totally of people that post on Prince.org.

Graycap23 said:

The way I see it, if you and I are not guitar players in this new band, it may not be worth listening to.

Graycap23 said:

Dude, learn to read.

We're talking about Prince's collabos with band members. Not band members' singles on their own.

I never said W&L had hits on their own (although one could argue they did chart).

I said Prince collabos with W&L were some of his most successful songs.

I challenged the poster to name a single collabo with Michael B, Blackwell Renato etc. that resulted in a success.

As I already stated, I'm not here to say W&L are the be all end all. I'm just saying it's a fact the 3 of them had huge success together.

GaryMF said:

Sorry. Its shite, because 1) no one gives a shite. Everyone likes W&L, and everyone likes what they brought out in P's style and music. OK, but its been 20 effin years, move on, Prince's music has moved on. If you don't like it anymore don't buy any new stuff, there are plenty of people who appreciate it. We're talking about his NEW band. Secondly, correlation & causation are two differnt things. Plenty of things changed after 1987 beyond W&L that have to do with Prince's public reception. But everyone knows that Prince produced plenty of "hit" worthy music in this same period that wouldn't hae been possible with W&L. Its P's relationship with the music industry for one and lots of decisions he's made that are responsible for that. Assuming that if W&L had been with him these past 20 years that he wouldn't have continued to have PR level recognition is retarded.

lezama said:

If no one if gives a "shite" why are you replying and getting so worked up?? Obviously, YOU give a "shite"!



I actually agree with this you on this paragraph....except the bold part.

I hate to say it again, but dude..... Learn to read!!!

I never said anything that even approximates what you wrote in bold above.

It seems like people on the org are incapable of comprehending anyone who expresses a level-headed, nuanced, non-extreme opinion when it comes to Prince and W&L.

Just because I brought up the FACT that P, W&L collabos were successful, in no way means I was saying he is incapable of being successful without them.

Geesh.

And for the record, I think Renato and those guys are great musicians. But if he wants to do something new and fresh I'd like to see a new band.
[Edited 1/10/09 14:13pm]

RodeoSchro said:

Hell no!!!!! I might not go to a Prince concert if that happens.







Just kidding

GaryMF said:[quote]

lezama said:

I give a shite about not hearing this dead horse being beaten every week.... I mean seriously people. Geezus.

Flo6 said:

AUTOMATED PLASTIC DOLLS?????

No one who has ever hugged them would say that about them.

RodeoSchro said:

Let's start with Tame and Sexxydancer as the twinz?

toejam said:

I still think band members would need to learn the songs in order to play them fluently, which would mean practice. I also notice that Prince makes changes to the songs for each concert, they are played differently than what was originally put out on CD. So then would he cut a newer version of the song and ask the band members to memorize it?

lewdew said:

Thanks that is what I wanted to know.

pplrain said:

I think a lot of that is determined in rehearsals by the group as a whole. So again, it all comes down to whether he wants to do a really tightly structured set with new musical segues and transitions (eg. the Musicology tour), or whether he's going to do a more One Nite Alone-type tour where the setlist changes nightly.

Musical memorisation isn't really that hard. Most people can sing or hum along to a song after just a few listens. The only thing pro musicians do differently is to use their knowledge of theory and their well trained ears to translate that to their instrument. Prince's band members are professionals in the highest degree - it's their job to memorise a lot of music in a short period of time!

I'm sure if he really wanted, it would only take a couple of weeks to get a band ready for a small venue tour, however it could be a few months if he plans on doing a big stadium tour as there's more to rehearse - lighting, sound, choreography, transitions etc.
[Edited 1/10/09 22:02pm]

toots said:

Do u have ANY idea who Chris Dave is?

Graycap23 said:

yeah a drummer and yes I did do a bit of research still no chart hits by Chris Dave as a solo associated artist. So that argument is irrelevent to the case
Let alone trying to make me look bad or dumb isnt going ur way either is it?
[Edited 1/10/09 22:34pm]

toots said:

lol.....your comments pretty much speak 4 themselves.

Graycap23 said:

Goes both ways dont it?

GaryMF said:

GaryMR I am not trying to diss your opinions here but your rationale is that the music Prince did with W&L was the best because it was the biggest success commercially. I would argue that commercial success does not equal best quality music. In fact much of his best music (of course this is personal opinion) is on albums that had no W&L input.

I think the difference is that Prince actively co-wrote music with W&L between 84-86 but for the most part since then he has written solo. Levi Seacer did make contributions (and fell out with Prince for not receiving royalties) and I am sure songs have evolved out of jam/rehearsal sessions with ALL of his bands.

So really there are two points for discussion:

1. Do we want future band members who will collaborate with Prince as a writer and push him that way - as W&L undoubtedly did.

or

2. Do we want him surrounded by excellent musicians who push his own artistry and instrument mastery - the way Blackwell, Renato did?

I would like prince to do a bit of collabs with a group called kings of leon and i want John Mayor to play with him..that would be hot

toots said:

I certainly HOPE so.

Graycap23 said:

AND bob saget on guitar!!!!!@

Graycap23 said:

GaryMF said:

You want hits without Wendy & Lisa :

Before them :
1999
Little Red Corvette
Delirious
Controversy

After them :
SOTT
U got the look
I could never take the place of your man
Alphabet Street
Batman
Cream
Diamonds & pearls
Money don't matter tonight
Sexy MF
My name is Prince
The most Beautiful Girl in the World
[Edited 1/11/09 9:01am]

sarkozyiszeman said:

I hate to tell you this but Lisa was WITH Prince when Contraversy was out. along with 1999( Wendy was on it too, Free)

The top part of your post I would take off.

The list:
1999
Little Red Corvette
Delirious
Controversy

( Technically they were with Prince when those hits happened)
[Edited 1/11/09 9:12am]

jaypotton said:

Great points.

toots said:

Look I have been into Prince's music since 1982 and know like you probably his professional career by heart.

Your post is the perfect example of a real W&L's obsessive fam who think Prince never did anything by himself and always had W&l behind each of his hits.

It's not because they knew them back then that they arranged, composed, performed or influenced his hits back then.

W&L brought some psyche and pop flavour to his work later. It has been their input. It is very obvious on Parade and ATWIAD.

Prince is a real funkateer and was a hell lot more influenced by local Minneapolis musicians than anything else on albums like Controversy and 1999.

For instance Controversy (the tune itself) was influenced by Morris Day. Prince had heard the guitar riff while Morris was rehearsing.

So I keep the top part of my list cuz W&L had nothing to do with this success.

sarkozyiszeman said:

I agree totally, one nite alone and the tour was his top band, they were all in sync with each other all operating on the same level, and that made those shows his best. I would love to see John brought back in and also Rhonda Smith.

sarkozyiszeman said:

I was stating a point, no need to get snoby about anything.

And what you assume about me is insane considering your a fam yourself(of Prince) perfect post example

NEVER did I say he could not do anything by himself. I stated a FACT! They were with him influence hits or not they were.

David Coleman (Lisa's brother) was the influence for ATWIAD, NOT Wendy and Lisa.

Prince also liked to um shall I say....yeah Ill say it.... take others work and claim it for himself.. wait he still does that too.

And I beg to differ with you on my personal choice of music so your WRONG about that, I happen to like a variety of music. I listen to classical to heavy metal not just Prince influenced, ty So where you got I was just a W& L fam is insane. You know NOTHING about me except what I post nor do I know about you.

Little Red Corvette was influenced by a nap taken in the back of Lisa's car after a long night recording session(that is as influenced as that song was to Lisa)

Learn to read I put it in bold above( AND what I qouted in the post BEFORE) why I stated it.

You may want to relax before you take a sip of the "kool aid" again k.
[Edited 1/11/09 16:16pm]

jaypotton said:

Jay--I think your post is one of the most well thought out and articulated opinions so far! Especially your breakdown at the end about #1 vs. #2.

And just for the record, I never said that pop/chart success = best quality music. Today's top 10 pretty much proves that isn't true! (i.e. hit songs today are basically crap made on a computer with no instruments).

But I think pop success can be or at least used to be one indicator of quality. ALso, I think you'd find many people agree that Purple Rain era hits plus much of SOTT and Raspberry Beret etc. do rank up their with P's top quality songs.

Of course there are others just as good he did on his own (though I'd argue they are all pre 1992).

sarkozyiszeman said:

I guess I'll have to say it a 3rd time..... "Dude, learn to read!"

I said "Some of his best songs".

Secondly, I said his "biggest" hits. I'll admit I dont' have Billboard in front of me, but if memory serves, the PR songs were his biggest hits ever, bigger than the singles like LRC and Controversy etc.

Again, it's amazing on here. It's like you can't have a rational opinion because if you try and give any credit to W&L, the crazed-fams automatically react as if you are a crazed W&L/fan who thinks P is nothing without them. Which clearly I never stated. Again, remedial reading seems in order here.

Flo6 said: