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PrintableHe's no worse then Jagger, Axl, James Brown, or MJ. His stuff is just written about nonsensically by rabid fans who feel slighted by a pop star they will never meet.
Yet folks are still here 
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Rogue588 said: blackwell1 said: And it's amazing what folks read into quotes, tidbits, random photos, misquotes and pure heresay, as if their conclusions are documented fact. lol
Yeah, i've never understood that either. Then again, P's history shows that he fosters this type of behaviour so it's to be expected since fans have been conditioned to interpret what P says. Look at the Lotusflower site for the latest example. Well, that's on P inn't? He's the one that sets up these (what I think are) outrageous demands - no pen, paper, tape recorder, chalk, crayon, etc. - for reporters to decide whether they want to follow or not. I mean, would you really say "Ya know P, I don't have that great of a memory, so i'm gonna have to pass at the opportunity to meet and talk to you". And if (when) they misquote him, they're both to blame. The reporter for not having a photographic memory and remember what P said and quoting him correctly and P for putting them both in that sort of situation. And not coming out and definitvely clarifying his position and letting fans "speculate" just adds fuel to the fire. bleutuna said: I'm not harsh on his music, but I'm harsh on the man, because honestly, he's an asshole.
He treats his fans with disdain, acts like a looney much of the time, and just in general comes across as someone who's music you may love, but seems to tire of people and use them up. His past is littered with folks who held his interested for a certain period of time, then he's over and done with them. Look at his band mates, looks at his ladies, etc. So, I'm harsh on him when he acts like an ass. Like the whole YouTube/Creep fiasco or the way he's treated fans and their websites. It's ridiculous, and honestly, it's his fans that kept him eating during the last 1990s when his records weren't charting at all. At least he's consistent - at being a jerk :p ^ This about sums it up. Until it backed fired and it looked like it was gonna blow .....  Da, Da, Da....Emancipation....Free..don't think I ain't..! London 21 Nights...Clap your hands...you know the rest..
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I'm just grateful for what he does man.
People just need to chill tbh, if you don't like it don't listen/look. Thats the way I see things. All the critics love U in LDN! | |
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bleutuna said: I'm not harsh on his music, but I'm harsh on the man, because honestly, he's an asshole.
He treats his fans with disdain, acts like a looney much of the time, and just in general comes across as someone who's music you may love, but seems to tire of people and use them up. His past is littered with folks who held his interested for a certain period of time, then he's over and done with them. Look at his band mates, looks at his ladies, etc. So, I'm harsh on him when he acts like an ass. Like the whole YouTube/Creep fiasco or the way he's treated fans and their websites. It's ridiculous, and honestly, it's his fans that kept him eating during the last 1990s when his records weren't charting at all. At least he's consistent - at being a jerk :p this site is dedicated to the jerky asshole you speak of and you're posting on a thread directly related to people like you. how does that make you look you mistreated Prince fan. To Sir, with Love | |
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PEJ said: bleutuna said: I'm not harsh on his music, but I'm harsh on the man, because honestly, he's an asshole.
He treats his fans with disdain, acts like a looney much of the time, and just in general comes across as someone who's music you may love, but seems to tire of people and use them up. His past is littered with folks who held his interested for a certain period of time, then he's over and done with them. Look at his band mates, looks at his ladies, etc. So, I'm harsh on him when he acts like an ass. Like the whole YouTube/Creep fiasco or the way he's treated fans and their websites. It's ridiculous, and honestly, it's his fans that kept him eating during the last 1990s when his records weren't charting at all. At least he's consistent - at being a jerk :p this site is dedicated to the jerky asshole you speak of and you're posting on a thread directly related to people like you. how does that make you look you mistreated Prince fan. Thank you, I'm so glad I'm not the only one who feels this way. Well said man.  I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that | |
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superspaceboy said: I also think that in 20 years time all of the music we're getting now will be the good ole days. I hear folks say that P lost it all after Lovesexy and I think there was a lot more good things that came after that. Even now, but not as much. I know a lot of my biases come from a lyrical stand point. Like Lion of Judah, when I first heard it, I loved it for the music, but eventually the lyrics ot to me. But something like Black Sweat...CLASSIC.
But Lovesexy was 21 years ago! there are lot of folk that love his first ten year run and not much else. I personnaly love 93-94 and all those recordings, like his more experimental stuff in the early 2000's, and love him playing live. But recent albums, no. I don't regard them highly at all. Can't see that changing, like NPS and Rave? do i now see them as the good old days yet? no thanks. And Black Sweat is not a classic, unless you're trying to fend off a rabid pitbull, then it's genius. |
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kenlacam said: People in the public eye like Prince are subject to people's critisms. There seems to be a love/hate relationship, which is normal. And for someone as quirky as he is, even moreso. The "Prince can do no wrong" mentality is reserved for die-hard stalkerish fans.
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DesireeNevermind said: kenlacam said: People in the public eye like Prince are subject to people's critisms. There seems to be a love/hate relationship, which is normal. And for someone as quirky as he is, even moreso. The "Prince can do no wrong" mentality is reserved for die-hard stalkerish fans.
Agree completely too. I worry for people who can't see he isn't perfect. Nobody is. If he was, he'd have more than his harcore fans to fall back on, or gimmicks to shift albums and tickets these days. Those good fans who spent years supporting him and buying every studio album faithfully, attending his gigs. he is fully prepared to treat them as badly as serial bootlegging companies and people who don't give a shit about him, and will post his new albums for free on the net. I wish he'd think harder about himself.  |
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Ive never posted anything harsh or negative, thats just not me.
Ive been a fan for a looooong time, and I already know what to expect. Yes, it would be nice to hear more of his own music, songs that havent been touched in years, but it is what it is. Ive been blessed by his music, the way his songs/music makes me feel. I just recently heard him play some favs of mine, and ohhh does it make the soul feel wonderful. I was overjoyed the other night just being in the front row listening to covers watching his facial expressions while he plays the guitar. Even better when you share the excitement with others that feel the music just as much as you do.... and they know who they are 
The only issue I have ever had is the long, long, long wait in line.... been there, done that, said i wouldnt do it again, did it, and will do it again..... some people are negative and will never ever change, no matter what Prince does or says or changes. These people will never let go, they will always be around to sh*** talk Prince on whatever he does..... Say it's just a dream...
U open up ur eyes and come 2 realize u simply imagined this So u lean over and give her a kiss Here on earth, here on earth, with u it's not so bad Here on earth, here on earth eye don't feel so sad Stay right here |
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purplecam said: PEJ said: this site is dedicated to the jerky asshole you speak of and you're posting on a thread directly related to people like you. how does that make you look you mistreated Prince fan. Thank you, I'm so glad I'm not the only one who feels this way. Well said man.  I mean really though...To Sir, with Love | |
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To say the odd constructive negative point is ok, but there are some posters who consistently put down everything he does and releases with no justification. There are some really cool people on here, who are actually interested in Prince news and music. The others obviously have too much time on their hands. Doesn't Twitter, Facebook and Myspace satisfy their needs and burn their hours enough? I'm hot and I don't care who knows it...I got a job to do.  |
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superspaceboy said: Considering how prolific he is, and how great his concerts and live perfomances are...not to mention his Longevity. I may not like all of it, but still appreciative that he's still making music and much of it is decent, if not interesting. I also look at other artist who are still putting music out there that have been around as long. Their output is no better, but still it's all relative. Stevie Wonder, Joni Mitchell, Paul McCartney, David Bowie, and others are still doing their thing, yet even I know that their output is no longer what it "was". It's just what they are doing now and most fans are grateful when these guys and gals put out something new. Prince is reaching this legendary stage with these folks and really other than maybe Madonna, no one I can think of has that much musical staying power much less being really popular and getting their music played.
We also have other prolific artists like Bjork and Beck, who are also starting to follow suit. I think all artist have peaks and valleys, but I think the fact that someone can keep doing it, especially when it is quality (which Princes music always is) is simply amazing. So why are we so harsh on Prince? It's something I understand on a certian level with his business decisions, but I never really criticize the music..it is what it is. I agree, I don;t think prince is getting worse. Planet earth was a blip. But I like alot of the stuff he did in the 90's, more so than I prefer some of his purple rain stuff. And for someone to release musicology and 3121 in 3 years (which would be considered career highlights if he was young), I think is amazing. It was modern prince who attracted me to him. The oldstuff was just a plesant suprise. That being said, I think people on the forums critisise him alot, (because he treats his fans pretty badly. I know you get lucky people that get to go to private concerts. But he can be a bit of an idiot sometimes. NPG music club, his zealous legal battles and cancelling the irish gig which I managed to (for the first time in my life) get to see him front row. lol, I don't let that stuff affect me for more than ten minutes, but I think some people just get angry by the way he is, [Edited 2/25/09 13:54pm] [Edited 2/25/09 13:56pm] [Edited 2/25/09 14:00pm] "Sisters and brothers in the purple underground, find peace of mind in the pop sound!" | |
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I wonder why is it that if someone makes an honest criticism, observation on music/performance/public antics, or voice a dissenting opinion (from the rest of the faithful herd) on his business practices, treatment of fans or even who/what he chooses to promote, is it considered being harsh? Is Prince above reproach? And could it be that those who are "harsh" are perhaps the ones who admire him the most and those who are the most doting perhaps his least genuine fans? Does Prince really want somebody kissing his ass and telling him everything he touches is gold or would he rather somebody be straight up with and about him? Just a thought.  | |
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Like some have said, the fans take in his music intimately, it touches us in a different way.
For me and I think this might be with many others, Prince opened up a world that he invited us into, and a lot of that world is real and played out thru the music & the protege's The Time Sheila E Vanity Apollonia Mazarati the Family Jill Jones the Revolution Purple Rain even though fiction, is actually based on a form of their reality, which is why it's still a great movie, just about everyone in the movie was a part of Prince's life from the cab driver to the MC the club owner, some of the men who became the game boyz were in there, one of the guitarist from Mazarati wwas in there(the Taste club) and it had a personal affect (one reason why Under the Cherry Moon didn't hit well. But it was still an expression of a vision he had that didn't translate fully to film Sign o the Times film opened up another part of his world and the concerts and aftershow did the same Prince told us to come to Erotic City go Uptown head toward Paisley Park get on Alphabet St and the house number is 3121 where race gender hair style clothing didn't matter. You could were lace leather canvesol ruffled shirts bellbottoms and cut off shirt where people wear their hair on one side swept back and bath in the purple rain... It was a combination of fantasy and reality and its alive I think because he is so good, it causes people & fans to critique him a bit harder... I've found that people who are gifted in certain areas actually get the fired turned up on them more, which actually should/could challenge that person to continue to do great things When I was very young my talent for drawing became realy evident with my parents but even more with teachers I got pushed to take art classes at Art Galleries, always being told to go see this show, read this book, As I got older the criticism became harsher, especially when I went to college... I remember one class (Drawing the Human Figure) the class instructor would be all over me, even openly... And I didn't get it, other students would comment "man he sure doesn't like you.." etc etc But what was really happening he say my talent and was pushing me go beyond the norm. It came out when near the end of the semester we had to go drop off or pick up our portfolio and that's when he expressed why he did what he did I think at times it's the same with Prince Some people are just rude and nasty But a lot of other are genuinely interested in him maintaining his creative flow, the fans do know what's happening with the music if it's good or bad Just because you may be talented doesn't mean that piece of work is good There are some great chefs out there but when it's all said and done the tasters or diners will let you know if it's up to standards. I strongly believe Princes music is on the same line with Stevie Wonder, James Brown, Jimi Hendrix and anyone else he is compared to. He has his own music style just like the others...the Minneapolis Sound in its varied forms is Prince Which is why the foundation of his music is the earlier years 1978-1988/89 When he changed his sound and image to adapt to what was happening:Hip Hop(style/music seemed to be everywhere, every singer good bad or great had a rapper on their song, everyone even Jazz & Gospel tried to emulate the hip hop vibe) I like hip hop but classic genuine artists should not change... because it ran it's course and settled into what it is Do Me Baby Let's Work 1999 Let's Pretend We're Married Erotic City Purple Rain Computer Blue Power Fantastic Crucial Jerk Out Space Sexuality Reflections Condition of the Heart Sometimes It Snows In April Adore the Ballad of Dorothy Parker If I Was Your Girlfriend I Hate U Tangerine Money Don't Matter Strollin The Future The Line Everywhere Last December Dear Michaelangelo Judas Smile Old Friends 4 Sale Kiss Leaving 4 New York All the Critics Love U Girl the sounds that came out of the 85-86 sessions: the Dream Factory, the Family, Madhouse was something fantastic And you hear it at various degrees through his career 3121 to me feels like Rock Hard In a Funky Place yet they are 2 very different songs And so many more throught his career (I've heard lots of unreleased stuff that made my mouth drop) [Edited 2/25/09 16:27pm] [Edited 2/25/09 16:37pm] | |
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sarkozyiszeman said: The reason why Prince attracts such extreme reactions (prince fams on one side, naysayers on the other side) is that there is something addictive about his music (cds and live performances).
people want their shoot of Prince's stuff. Problem is when they don't like what their hear, they don't get their drug. And then it's all about frustration, anger, excessiveness. Same story when the reactions are extremely positive. Sometimes Prince deserves that kind of reactions but some fans will appreciate anything he does, whatever it is, good or bad. They just want their drug, they get it, that's fine for them. We have been used to releases on a yearly basis, constant news, tours, aftershows, proteges, apparitions here and there with other bands in clubs, Prince playing with us with his annoyong constant chess game. In fact Prince has a strategy of constant stimulation (positive or negative) towards his fans base. He is playing with us (i.e Something big is coming or feel Good Feel Wonderful or Roadhosue garden or right now LotusFlower or London Mc Millan's nice mails to fans sites). You end up with an explosive cocktail but what an exciting journey. Everything but boring.
[Edited 1/9/09 5:25am] Yes thank you. 
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Some Prince fans think Prince is watching edit. [Edited 2/25/09 21:07pm] | |
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Number23 said: It's often the case that his most hostile critics are also the biggest cheerleaders of his talent. And there's no contradiction or hypocracy in taking that stance. Many just feel Prince is coasting, cashing in on his colossal talent. They know he is capable of unique, starlingly original music and just want him to dig deep and surprise them once again.
Great post.When all's said and done, I don't think there's anyone on this site getting off on trolling and posting unconstructive criticism just to piss folk off. I sometimes feel in tune with Giovanni777, Tricky99 & Greycap - then at times I feel Wall and Bart have valid points. efmgvnmsdrbp[ | |
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Vendetta1 said: Some Prince fans think Prince is watching edit.
[Edited 2/25/09 21:07pm] WATCHING THRU THE EYES OF OTHERS  | |
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DesireeNevermind said: Vendetta1 said: Some Prince fans think Prince is watching edit.
[Edited 2/25/09 21:07pm] WATCHING THRU THE EYES OF OTHERS | |
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Vendetta1 said: DesireeNevermind said: WATCHING THRU THE EYES OF OTHERS um...nothing.  | |
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Because the world has been harsh on you. "My Love is more Powerful than any amount of your hate"-the MCE; controlling collective thoughts via telegenetics Volume 1: I Just Did. | |
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its called tough love
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